Apparently there were some weird non-canon ILM showreels that were mistakenly sent to cinemas between 1999 and 2005.
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Why did the force decide to create Anakin?
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Apparently there were some weird non-canon ILM showreels that were mistakenly sent to cinemas between 1999 and 2005.
Not necessarily looking at the EU! (yes I know it's not canon, but it might still happen)
That explains why Rogue One has prequel references such as showing Mustafar and has prequel actors reprising their roles. This silly head in the sand belief doesn't hold much water as Lucasfilm happily keeps referencing them in the new material.
Subpar Scrub
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Fucking lmao
Happily keeps vaguely referencing the least stupid parts (Mustafar wasn't even named onscreen and I don't think Bail Organa was either).
Don't expect midichlorians, virgin births or Darth Plagueis to ever be referred to again.
Anakin is Jesus, get it? It's like poetry.
Star Wars is a myth. Myths throughout history are filled with deitys sending sole chosen ones to save their people. Why did God only send one Jesus instead of 50 of them?
Even The Clone Wars tv show and various prequel era comics ignore midichlorians. It seems no but Lucas cares about the chlorians.
Bruh, his father figure was pod racing and getting out of dodge.
Terrible fucking plot but somehow redeemed by something something importance of strong father figures. GOD WHY DO I HAVE TO LIE TO MYSELF TO FEEL BETTER!!!
Doczu
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From all things from the PT both Mustafar and Bail Organa would be the least insulting things to mention by name.
You tell me, if God had a brain he would have sent more than 1 Jesus in 2000 years.
Doesn't change they are canon. Lucasfilms official policy is the first 6 films and The Clone Wars are the foundation of the franchise that all future material must adhere to them. That the George Lucas approved canonical media is essentially the rock of everything and all other media must build on it.
They aren't going away. The current tv series Star Wars Rebels heavily references prequel era events for example.
Subpar Scrub
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Reading briefly through that site and wookiepedia, thank fuck Disney nuked most of that shit. The links go on forever.
That is the canon entry for Anakin unless you switched over to the Legends tab. All of the material relating to Anakin in the prequels, and the animated series' are 10000000% canonical.
Now you know why the EU was nuked and screw anyone who complains.
To quote revenge of the Sith "Darth Plagueis was a Dark Lord of the Sith, so powerful and so wise he could use the Force to influence the midichlorians to create life..."
I always thought this was an obvious reference to Anakin being created, some people missed it apparently. They then ran with this for the Plagueis book which is now no longer Canon of course, but to me it will always be how he was created, we just don't know the details.
I always thought this was an obvious reference to Anakin being created, some people missed it apparently. They then ran with this for the Plagueis book which is now no longer Canon of course, but to me it will always be how he was created, we just don't know the details.
I like how some people blame "Disney". The second TFA was coming which started before the sale to Disney the EU was dead. They would never attempt to adhere to that mess of 4 trillion books, comics, and games.
Isn't the whole "idea" behind that, that Jesus being the living embodiment of God died for humanity and God as himself thought humanity wasn't worthy of another chosen one?
I'm sure there's some weird explanation for this if you ask religious nuts.
Bronetta
Ask me about the moon landing or the temperature at which jet fuel burns. You may be surprised at what you learn.
So... They had sex?
George Lucas never gave a fuck about the EU and viewed it purely as merchandise, if he ever wanted to override it himself then he did so without thinking. It was never taken seriously by Lucasfilm.
LordOfLore
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Yep. The night he got elected he got his old master drunk(he thought he would be the power behind him while Palpatine of course wanted to rule alone since he never really cared for the Siths grand plan)and then used Force Lightning on him while he slept.
Kor of Memory
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Well, in Rebels we're learning more about how Jedi and Sith are opposites, and how there is a middle ground.
If the Jedi truly were a group of people that swore off love and attachement, then they've obviously gone to far into extremism. The Jedi of the old republic got caught up in their own bureaucracy as well as that of the republic itself. The only excuse for forbidding a Jedi from love is that it's just easier to train them that way, and less risky. This is not a sign of "the good guys" at all.
While we love to pretend the Jedi's are the good guys throughout the entire series, the fact is they were heavily flawed, and had grown so large they needed to be put in check. It's just unfortunate the way that had to happen.
If the Jedi truly were a group of people that swore off love and attachement, then they've obviously gone to far into extremism. The Jedi of the old republic got caught up in their own bureaucracy as well as that of the republic itself. The only excuse for forbidding a Jedi from love is that it's just easier to train them that way, and less risky. This is not a sign of "the good guys" at all.
While we love to pretend the Jedi's are the good guys throughout the entire series, the fact is they were heavily flawed, and had grown so large they needed to be put in check. It's just unfortunate the way that had to happen.
Subpar Scrub
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Nononononono, I mean the links to all of the weird bird Sith Lords and shit off of that page. All of the other crazy bullshit, including Han Solo having like a bunch of other kids and stuff, there being like 6 sided lightsabers and stupid shit.
Even palpa-bro's list of apprentices has too many entries for me lol.
autumnleaf
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Wellll technically it was the midichlorians that conceived Anakin not the Force, the Force is a neutral energy field.
That was either caused by Plageius manipulating them or the Sith being like a virus/poison in your body (the Force) and the midichlorians inside Shmi create Anakin like an antibody to flush them out. Anakin having free will doesn't have to do what Plageius or the midichlorians want so he just wipes out everyone.
That was either caused by Plageius manipulating them or the Sith being like a virus/poison in your body (the Force) and the midichlorians inside Shmi create Anakin like an antibody to flush them out. Anakin having free will doesn't have to do what Plageius or the midichlorians want so he just wipes out everyone.
Tal Shiar Agent
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The Light and the Dark are in eternal conflict. One may gain on the other, but it always reverses, equals out, and starts over again.
The Skywalker family is the current tool the Force uses to maintain balance.
Can Crusher
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It's all bs playboy. Anakin's mother worked everybody. We all know what she did.
Skellig Gra
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Exactly, the Sith are power hungry pricks who will stop at nothing to get what the want.
However, the Jedi aren't saints either. They're nothing but self centered egotistical assholes who think so highly of themselves that they can't see what's going on right under their noses.
The only Jedi in the movies who didn't fit that mold was Qui-Gon, which is why the Jedi Council viewed him as nothing but a huge pain in the ass, and stonewalled him from ever joining the council (had more people listened to him, they might have been able to nip this whole Sith thing in the bud before Palpatine could even get his plan into motion).
If this is truly the case then the prequels did a very poor job conveying it
That's what happens when you give George Lucas full control over something without anyone with enough balls to tell him that's stupid.
Glares at Rick McCallum.
Prequels movies did a very poor job of conveying most things and various EU's even stuff like the Clone Wars show seems to exist but pick up the slack of the movies and to fix shit. Lot of them were better written the the movies especially Clone Wars
Kor of Memory
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The prequels did a terrible job of conveying anything. Watch the Clone Wars cartoon. It really really helps. To the point that I find Anakin (pre-Vader) to actually be enjoyable to watch.
BattleMonkey
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Some kids needed killin
Bronetta
Ask me about the moon landing or the temperature at which jet fuel burns. You may be surprised at what you learn.
If you wanna get technical the Force is a dick.
Tal Shiar Agent
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1000 plus years of circle-jerking will do that to an organized religion.
Both the Jedi and the Sith were responsible for bringing unbalance to the Force. The Jedi became too dogmatic and rigid, failing to realize that things like love and even anger are essential facets of the Force that shouldn't be buried but rather nurtured with respect and caution. The Sith, with their Rule of Two, and hiding for a millennium only amplified their abuse of emotion and lack of control and respect for the Force.
Vincent Alexander
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I have a theory that makes me like this idea of the force creating Anakin way way more. It is pretty simple too.
Shmi lied. Anakin had a father, and he was a piece of shit that abandoned them. Shmi decided this was better instead of telling Anakin that on top of his already bad life he had a father that didn't love him, left him, and possibly was the cause of their servitude.
Shmi lied. Anakin had a father, and he was a piece of shit that abandoned them. Shmi decided this was better instead of telling Anakin that on top of his already bad life he had a father that didn't love him, left him, and possibly was the cause of their servitude.
Go_Ly_Dow
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Pretty much.
It's hard to have a in-depth discussion about the lore after Lucas dropped the ball from such a high place.
This was such a bad story beat I still decide not to acknowledge it.
Qui-Gonn asks where the father is, and Shmi says there is no father and can't explain it. "Virgin birth"? No, the truth is she had a one-night stand with some deadbeat smuggler who bailed on her and never called back or something.
It's incredible for how ultimately unimportant this whole virgin birth thing is. There wasn't even a prophecy about a virgin birth or anything. It's just there for no reason whatsoever and has zero payoff in any way.
Qui-Gonn asks where the father is, and Shmi says there is no father and can't explain it. "Virgin birth"? No, the truth is she had a one-night stand with some deadbeat smuggler who bailed on her and never called back or something.
It's incredible for how ultimately unimportant this whole virgin birth thing is. There wasn't even a prophecy about a virgin birth or anything. It's just there for no reason whatsoever and has zero payoff in any way.
I always though that Plagueis used the force to create anakin to destroy the Jedi. However due to how the force works, in the end Anakin ended up killing both Jedi and sith in a way and setting up the foundation for new Jedi in Luke etc
That way, Qui gonn isn't wrong when he says that Anakin is made from the force, but also Plageuis isn't wrong. But the force didn't "do" anything of its own. It used another's actions to balance things out in the end
That way, Qui gonn isn't wrong when he says that Anakin is made from the force, but also Plageuis isn't wrong. But the force didn't "do" anything of its own. It used another's actions to balance things out in the end
breakfastchampion
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Are you personifying the Force? It's not like your Western bearded-god-on-a-throne idea, it's not a 'being' that makes decisions. Why did the magnet decide to attract to ferrous metals? Mysterious.
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