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Father_Mike · Dec 8, 2006

Ok so my thoughts before I go do homework

DS is the clear winner; if a winner had to be picked. Selling that much when its lacks a new killer app this winter is huge. That means its selling because of the overall line up of good to great games (FF3, Yoshi ect) instead of just one game which should push software sales. I cant wait to see what happens when something like pokemon hits.

PS3 had very low shipments. Very low which means its going to be a while before the hardware side takes off. I'd like to know soft ware attachment rates though.

PSP did a lot better than expected. but as we all know the problem with psp isnt selling hardware it selling software, so with out software list we really dont know what this means.

360 didn't do bad but it didnt do great either. Gow nor bundles didn't push hardware sales to the extent they should have. I guess 360 has used up its life at this price point; maybe a march price drop?

Wii. expected. needs software numbers.

GBA, this should be its last holiday like this. It finally hit the price that made it a gift to people you only see ever couple of months. The sad thing is the only people benefitting from it this year are publishers that make kids games, square for FF, and nintendo for still having its old games on the shelf. Really it feels like it was abandoned too soon.

PS2. good job. thats all I have to say.

jamesinclair · Dec 8, 2006

I told you guys not to underestime the GBA.

Also...did GC finally close the gap....?

PantherLotus · Dec 8, 2006

Publically Available Information

Next Generation said:
Total industry sales for the month were $1.7 billion and $9.4 billion year-to-date. NPD analyst Frazier expressed to Next-Gen, I don't think any category shows any signs of the growth letting up. I would not be surprised to see total year sales come in north of $13 billion once December figures are in.

Videogame console software sales were $804 million versus $702 million in November 2005, topped by Microsofts Gears of War, which sold 1 million units and raked in $61.5 million in sales (including the higher-priced Collectors Edition).

Square Enixs Final Fantasy XII followed at 896,000 units and $49 million in sales, and the third slot was filled by Nintendos Legend of Zelda: The Twilight Princess for Wii, which sold 412,000 copies and generated $20.2 million in sales. Activisions $80 Guitar Hero II with controller came in fourth at 356,000 units and $28 million in sales.

Frazier noted that Gears of War is Microsofts first Xbox 360 game that it has released at the $60 price point (the Collectors Edition was $70), and it still managed big sales. The analyst called the game a testament to the power of great content, adding Price just isn't a barrier when the content delivers.

The software results fall in line with analysts expectations.

New consoles PlayStation 3 and Wii launched November 17 and 20, respectively, making blips on a radar which was dominated by sales of the Nintendo DS.

The Wii sold 476,000 units for the month, while the shorter-in-supply PlayStation 3 sold 197,000 units. Sony was aiming to have 400,000 units available on launch day in the US.

The little DS juggernaut sold 918,000 units in November, bringing life-to-date US sales to 8.1 million units. The PS2 followed as the second-best selling piece of hardware for the month with 664,000 units sold. Third place was held by the never-say-die GameBoy Advance with 641,000 units.

Xbox 360 was next, with 511,000 units sold, bringing life-to-date US sales to 3.8 million units. The PSP followed with 412,000 sold during the month.

Frazier said she was surprised by the continued strong performance of the PS2 and GBA.

Total hardware sales came to $771 million, up 69 percent compared to last November. The amount was comprised of $519 million in console hardware (a 103 percent increase) and $252 million from portables (a 26 percent increase).

As for console hardware sales, the biggest contributor in terms of units was clearly the PS2, but the 360 and the Wii contributed the most in dollar sales, Frazier said. The 360 accounted for about 26 percent of total hardware dollar sales.

Year-to-date hardware sales were $3.3 billion.

Accessory sales were up 19 percent year-over-year at $158 million.

Frazier said of the results, "It's just such overall good news that bodes very well for the health of this industry."

Hardware
1. DS - 918,000
2. PS2 - 664,000
3. GBA - 641,000
4. 360 - 511,000
5. Wii - 476,000
6. PSP - 412,000
7. PS3 - 197,000

Software
1. Gears of War - 1,000,000
2. FFXII - 896,000
3. Twilight Princess - 412,000
4. Guitar Hero II - 356,000

sonycowboy · Dec 8, 2006

Karma Kramer said:
NDS: 785,294 (300K ~ 1,200K)
360: 540,936 (349K ~ 750K)
Wii: 527,192 (349K ~ 800K)
PS2: 511,497 (200K ~ 750K)
GBA: 385,542 (90K ~ 740K)
PSP: 301,427 (75K ~ 500K)
PS3: 216,692 (150K ~ 350K)
NGC: 65,179 (12K ~ 150K)
XBX: 14,680 (1K ~ 75K)

^
This is the average of what everyone predicted on GAF. These predictions were made after sonycowboy posted an article about how analysist are expecting the 360 to sell around 750,000 units in November. The fact that real numbers are only 30,000 lower then the average does not spell "dissapointment." It spells... "expected."

People who keep throwing around the notion that the Xbox 360 had a below average month are listening to the wrong people and live in dreamville if they think a $400 Xbox 360 can do what the $200 PS2 did last generation.

360 fans have LONG since given up hoping for decent sales for the 360 and thus put ridiculously low numbers out there each month so that they can pretend to be "happy" with the results.

I, of course, have been accused of inflating expectations, but I honestly continue to expect it to turn the corner and do better. Me, and every single financial analyst out there. There's no disputing the 360 sales have been disappointing so far. But, this is also the first system to break the $299 barrier for a major player. I think we're seeing far more price sensitivity than anyone expected and that sensitivity is going to clobber the PS3 next year.

speculawyer · Dec 8, 2006

soundwave05 said:
IWhy is the Core package 360 then not working at $299.99 for MS in North America? .

That is still really expensive. An xbox 360 memory card is $40 and a single full price game is $59.99.

So you are over $400 for a single game were you can save the game status.

But wait . . . that is not even in HDTV. Throw in another $40 for a VGA or Component cable to get HDTV. Now you've hit $440 for a system with a single game.

(And this is why the Core is know as the 'tardpack . . . you are a retard if you buy it. If you can't afford the premium, you probably shouldn't be buying an xbox 360.)

The cost to upgrade a Core close a premium is:
+ $40 (component cable)
+ $99 Hard Drive
+ $20 headset
= $160 . . . so you pay $60 more and you still have the wired controller instead of wireless and you don't get the Ethernet cable!)

Mojovonio · Dec 8, 2006

VALIS said:
As I pointed out in the locked thread, it's not selling well compared to what? The $125 DS? The $125 PS2? The $75 GBA SP? It sold over half a million in one month with the majority of them being the $400 model. That's good. Not amazing or anything, but good. The only reason why anyone thinks it's disappointing is because Michael Pachter predicted the moon, as he always does.

Next month didn't he say it'll sell 1-1.5 million? I bet it doesn't reach 750K. The vg analysts have been wrong about this economy all year long.

If this time next year the $500/$600 PS3 is selling better than the $300/$400 360, then you can say they're underperforming.

you're right, i really should refrain from believing anything in these threads.

Fuzzy · Dec 8, 2006

jamesinclair said:
I told you guys not to underestime the GBA.

Also...did GC finally close the gap....?

No, and it never will.

soundwave05 · Dec 8, 2006

VALIS said:
If this time next year the $500/$600 PS3 is selling better than the $300/$400 360, then you can say they're underperforming.

That's an interesting point. I would bet though that the PS3 will sell more than 500k next November. The price probably won't be $500/$600 by then either, but even at $400/$500, I think the PS3 would do better than 500k for November.

Also does the $299.99 XBox 360 Core not exist anymore or something? If people want the system so badly, why not buy that version? It's not like buying a memory card stopped them from getting any prior system.

Deku · Dec 8, 2006

360's performance is solid they managed to outsell the PS3 and Wii, and having lots of supply certainly helped.

Jammy · Dec 8, 2006

I really want to know how Red Steel performed. It being a top third party launch title on a Nintendo system is probably the main reason I want to know. It probably sold too well considering its quality, but I'm hoping it sold/will sell enough for a sequel which has tons of potential going into it if it's not rushed.

RamzaIsCool · Dec 8, 2006

Still I don't get that article from gamedaily.
Like it clearly states that the numbers of GoW include the LE.
But it doesn't with the FFXII number.
And to think that the combined GH2 is higher then the number stated there, I still am wondering...

Dahbomb · Dec 8, 2006

soundwave05 said:
Nintendo wins.
Gears wins.
PS2 wins.
DS + GBA total wins.
Zelda tie ratio = wow.

XBox 360 hardware = mild dissapointment
PSP hardware = somewhere in there

Viva =
PS3 = paper champion

Sounds about right.

Also Resistance sales numbers or should I not even bother?

PantherLotus · Dec 8, 2006

Jammy said:
I really want to know how Red Steel performed. It being a top third party launch title on a Nintendo system is probably the main reason I want to know. It probably sold too well considering its quality, but I'm hoping it sold/will sell enough for a sequel which has tons of potential going into it if it's not rushed.

If it isn't posted in these several sites that have access to it, I wouldn't expect to ever find out.

Newzboyz99 · Dec 8, 2006

Deku said:
360's performance is solid they managed to outsell the PS3 and Wii, and having lots of supply certainly helped.

Yes they did, but this is a manufacturing issue; make no mistake about that.

Speevy · Dec 8, 2006

sonycowboy:

If someone says, "Hey sonycowboy, did <insert game> sell well?" are you allowed to answer?

sonycowboy · Dec 8, 2006

Dahbomb said:
Sounds about right.

Also Resistance sales numbers or should I not even bother?

Don't bother

Although Resistance lapped every other title handily.

Speevy said:
sonycowboy:

If someone says, "Hey sonycowboy, did <insert game> sell well?" are you allowed to answer?

No.

Odysseus · Dec 8, 2006

sonycowboy said:
360 fans have LONG since given up hoping for decent sales for the 360 and thus put ridiculously low numbers out there each month so that they can pretend to be "happy" with the results.

That's exactly it. Many folks aren't being realistic, no, they are constantly lowballing so they can fake happiness. Makes no matter that those "lowballed" expectations are actually, um, right. Nope, they should be listening to you and Michael Patcher. Patcher obviously has his finger square on the pulse of the 360. You, too. Except for always being wrong, as opposed to those lowballers who have given up.

Krowley · Dec 8, 2006

Karma Kramer said:
NDS: 785,294 (300K ~ 1,200K)
360: 540,936 (349K ~ 750K)
Wii: 527,192 (349K ~ 800K)
PS2: 511,497 (200K ~ 750K)
GBA: 385,542 (90K ~ 740K)
PSP: 301,427 (75K ~ 500K)
PS3: 216,692 (150K ~ 350K)
NGC: 65,179 (12K ~ 150K)
XBX: 14,680 (1K ~ 75K)

^
This is the average of what everyone predicted on GAF. These predictions were made after sonycowboy posted an article about how analysist are expecting the 360 to sell around 750,000 units in November. The fact that real numbers are only 30,000 lower then the average does not spell "dissapointment." It spells... "expected."

People who keep throwing around the notion that the Xbox 360 had a below average month are listening to the wrong people and live in dreamville if they think a $400 Xbox 360 can do what the $200 PS2 did last generation.

umm... that's the point isn't it?

For a game console this was a middling result. You don't grade on a curve just because it's more expensive. A successful console will eventually have to sell like the snes did, like the ps1/ps2 did... When will MS reach those kinds of numbers?

This performance suggests that these high dollar systems will have more trouble getting market penetration than the last systems did. Many People are not prepared to pay that kind of premium price for a game console.

xaosslug · Dec 8, 2006

sonycowboy said:
360 fans have LONG since given up hoping for decent sales for the 360 and thus put ridiculously low numbers out there each month so that they can pretend to be "happy" with the results.

I, of course, have been accused of inflating expectations, but I honestly continue to expect it to turn the corner and do better. Me, and every single financial analyst out there. There's no disputing the 360 sales have been disappointing so far. But, this is also the first system to break the $299 barrier for a major player. I think we're seeing far more price sensitivity than anyone expected and that sensitivity is going to clobber the PS3 next year.

PS3 to sell @ near PS2/DS levels in '07, heard it here first!

:lol

sonycowboy · Dec 8, 2006

Odysseus said:
That's exactly it. Many folks aren't being realistic, no, they are constantly lowballing so they can fake happiness. Makes no matter that those "lowballed" expectations are actually, um, right. Nope, they should be listening to you and Michael Patcher. Patcher obviously has his finger square on the pulse of the 360. You, too. Except for always being wrong, as opposed to those lowballers who have given up.

Actually, I've done pretty well with my 360 predictions. I've lowered my expectations already as well.

dammitmattt · Dec 8, 2006

PSP sales were surprisingly good, but I would strongly bet that PSP software sales were abysmal. Why do all of these people who don't buy or play games keep buying $250 PSPs?!?

Y2Kev · Dec 8, 2006

Viva bombing is the worst news from the gaming industry I've heard all year.

Leonsito · Dec 8, 2006

I pointed this in the other thread:

Total USA+JAPAN: NDS: 20.054.485 PSP: 9.937.413

DS has doubled PSP in November.

hyp · Dec 8, 2006

mmlemay said:
PSP sales were surprisingly good, but I would strongly bet that PSP software sales were abysmal. Why do all of these people who don't buy or play games keep buying $250 PSPs?!?

the porn industry is keeping the PSP alive.

dammitmattt · Dec 8, 2006

sonycowboy said:
Actually, I've done pretty well with my 360 predictions. I've lowered my expectations already as well.

I'm not sure if you have something against the 360 itself or 360 fans, but you definitely have it out for one of the two.

sonycowboy · Dec 8, 2006

mmlemay said:
I'm not sure if you have something against the 360 itself or 360 fans, but you definitely have it out for one of the two.

My 360 is getting 90% of my playing time vs my PS2 and PS3.

soundwave05 · Dec 8, 2006

The handheld software thing is always going to be a conundrum. Personally, I just don't like carry around many handheld games.

Sony and even Nintendo need to take a note from Apple ... having all your content on one device is what the consumer wants.

DS Flash with 1-2GB of flash memory built-in and Nintendo WiFi game downloads right onto the system, like the Wii ... that will cause more impulse buys I think. I know when I get Wii VC Points, I end up spending just for the heck of it sometimes. It may be a bit harder for Sony to do this since PSP/PSOne games take up a lot more space and would take a lot longer to download.

speculawyer · Dec 8, 2006

sonycowboy said:
There's no disputing the 360 sales have been disappointing so far. But, this is also the first system to break the $299 barrier for a major player. I think we're seeing far more price sensitivity than anyone expected and that sensitivity is going to clobber the PS3 next year.

Bingo! The PS3 is in trouble, IMHO. (Don't bash me as xbot or Ntard . . . I own a Wii, a xbox 360, and a PS3.)

Yeah, the PS3 provides Blu-Ray player functionality . . . but as of right now, no one gives a crap.

A price cut on the xbox 360 plus a good selection of discounted titles ($19.99 to $29.99) will get the xbox 360 moving a little better.

But a $500 PS3 with $60 games is gonna be a tough sell for while . . . and that Blu-Ray functionality is NOT gonna help them much. Sony better crank out some really good exclusives or the Master Chief & Mario are gonna double-penetrate Sony. (How's that for a visual.)

I better shut up before Sony fanboys get torches and pitchforks out and hunt me down.

Edit: Missing 'NOT' added.

VALIS · Dec 8, 2006

Y2Kevbug11 said:
Viva bombing is the worst news from the gaming industry I've heard all year.

Knew it would happen. I think I predicted 25K. :lol VP appeals to hardcore and niche gamers only, not the great unwashed.

Speevy · Dec 8, 2006

Y2Kevbug11 said:
Viva bombing is the worst news from the gaming industry I've heard all year.

Viva bombed the second its marketing plan was imagined. I can just picture the poor guys at Rare designing this brilliant game while whispering to themselves "No one is going to play this."

Busty · Dec 8, 2006

soundwave05 said:
Why is the Core package 360 then not working at $299.99 for MS in North America? Its not like supply is an issue anymore, they're readily availible everywhere. The issue IMO is Microsoft has their comfort zone of the Halos/GoWs type games, but they have not been able to crack the broader mainstream beyond that.
Look at the difference where Sony was at five years into the game market -- they had dramatically moved past their inital types of games like WipeOut, Warhawk, NFL GameDay, etc. to sell/market a great variety of software from Crash Bandicoot to Final Fantasy VII to PaRappa The Rapper.

Yes. He gets it. I'm sorry, I want the 360 to be a success. I really do. But selling just over 500k in the month of November is not good. It's not a flop (and lets face, the 360 is past the point of no return in terms of being a flop, 3 million plus in the US) but it is underperforming.

My guess at the lower end of the scale for 360 sales was 700k. What it did sales wise is less than double what it did in pervious months. To be outsold by the PS2 for potentially another Xmas shopping season is unexceptable.

But this isn't limited to the 360. Oh no. This is a warning shot across all 'next gen' systems. I think next year the headlines and thread topics are going to be full of news of the 360 and PS3 struggling to sell in the US and Europe.

I'm really worried for ''next gen' gaming in general. Don't think Wii60 for the future of gaming... perhaps think..... WiiPC?

jamesinclair · Dec 8, 2006

Fuzzy said:
No, and it never will.

If my Xbx and GC sales predictions were as remarkably accurate as my other numbers, than the gap should be clsoed aaaaaaany day now.

Also, does buttocks have a website or blog somewhere?

Deku · Dec 8, 2006

I think we're seeing far more price sensitivity than anyone expected and that sensitivity is going to clobber the PS3 next year.

To be quite frank it doesn't take a PHD in anything to figure out that $400 and $500 consoles are going to lag in sales, significantly, until they hit a mass market price which is maybe never for a product like PS3 given Sony's unwillingness to drop prices of the PSP and long term goals to make a money ont he hardware.

The entire PS3 will destroy 360 and make Nintendo go third party scenario was predicated on the assumption the console would come in sub $300. That hasn't happend. And when $599 was announced, it was pretty clear to me Sony just lost as much as half its marketshare to Nintendo and MS.

But we get into spin and damage control and people going on and on about value, and GameCube Turbo. Why it took you so long to come around on this is, well, surprising.

In Sony's world, MS and Nintendo would try to compete with them with $500 consoles (similarly priced goods), but in reality they're about to get clobbered in 2007.

soundwave05 · Dec 8, 2006

VALIS said:
Knew it would happen. I think I predicted 25K. :lol VP appeals to hardcore and niche gamers only, not the great unwashed.

I dunno about that. Combined with the TV show, which seems pretty popular with kids, I think if Rare had stayed with Nintendo that game could have been a 500k seller at least.

I don't like that Rare-MS-Nintendo sale at all. Doesn't seem to have benefitted any one of the three, although according to Nintendo from their P.O.V. it was a simple dollars and cents move. I'm itching for Blast Corps and Killer Instinct on the VC

KeithFranklin · Dec 8, 2006

Thoughts.

Just a few months ago everyone was sure this was the month that the PS3 and the Wii start to gain on the 360 and although I would have liked to see the 360 sell more than it did it still gained over 300K on the PS3 and about 50K on the Wii.

Hopefully we will be able to get some information about December from other sources as quickly as we did with November numbers. The 360 will sell very well in December the closer we get to Christmas and PS3 and Wii in short supply the more people will get frustrated and simply choose a 360 as the gift.

When all is said and done the 360 will grow its lead in the 4th quarter of 2006 with a bigger lead in the next gen race in NA then when it entered it. With the PS3 continuing in short supply I dont see any chance for the PS3 to gain on the 360 until mid 2007. With the Wii it will be interesting to see if the good launch, although it fell 150K short of GCN launch, will it continue into 2007 or will it drop like the GCN did.

andthebeatgoeson · Dec 8, 2006

speculawyer said:
Wii 476K
Zelda Twilight Princess 412k

That has to be a record game to console ratio! Almost 87% of Wii buyers got Zelda!

(I am one of them.)

Then you have Nintards like Amirox buying both versions of the game. I hate people like that. Artificially inflating the numbers.

Actually, I don't know if Ami bought the Wii version. Midna is Epona. Spoiled you, tata.

xaosslug · Dec 8, 2006

considering how PSP manages to sell @ 199$/250$ I say once it hits 150$/129$ it'll sell like crazy. I mean for whatever reason people seem to want it... PSP has no games, etc.

how are PSP's sale's stacked up against iPod's?

:lol

speculawyer · Dec 8, 2006

sonycowboy said:
My 360 is getting 90% of my playing time vs my PS2 and PS3.

No Wii, cowboy? All we are saying is give Wii a chance! :lol

I still haven't opened my PS3 box even though I've pretty much given up on eBaying it since the premium is down to $150 to $250 over retail . . . not worth the hassle at that amount. I need to go get a ~100Gb 2.5 SATA drive before I fire it up.

dammitmattt · Dec 8, 2006

Y2Kevbug11 said:
Viva bombing is the worst news from the gaming industry I've heard all year.

I did my part

Also, I don't even want to think about the magnitude to which Every Extend Extra, Gunpey, and Lumines 2 (the only one I actually bought) failed.

Speevy · Dec 8, 2006

Deku said:
To be quite frank it doesn't take a PHD in anything to figure out that $400 and $500 consoles are going to lag in sales, significantly, until they hit a mass market price which is maybe never for a product like PS3 given Sony's unwillingness to drop prices of the PSP and long term goals to make a money ont he hardware.

The entire PS3 will destroy 360 and make Nintendo go third party scenario was predicated on the assumption the console would come in sub $300. That hasn't happend. And when $599 was announced, it was pretty clear to me Sony just lost as much as half its marketshare to Nintendo and MS.

But we get into spin and damage control and people going on and on about value, and GameCube Turbo. Why it took you so long to come around on this is, well, surprising.

In Sony's world, MS and Nintendo would try to compete with them with $500 consoles (similarly priced goods), but in reality they're about to get clobbered in 2007.

Right on the money.

High definition movie formats, downloadable content, freely distributable software, and even graphics have never been selling points. As ever, it's the most games, the best games, and the cheapest way to get them.

Aika'svyse · Dec 8, 2006

Well nobody i know is enthusiastic about next gen console pricing. 360 is doing pretty good now, it seems to have a nice chance, but i still know too many people waiting to buy one.

The mere mention of PS3 and people grit their teeth, honestly i'm sick of hearing the words it's too expensive. what was funny around E3 time has become annoying

And Wii still to many complaints about the graphics, people i talk to just think it's a gimmick. Like superior graphics mean fun.

I seriously have no idea how this gen is going to turn out, be pretty cool if it just stays competitive i guess, and the good games start flowing, maybe some price drops mainly.

Leonsito · Dec 8, 2006

xaosslug said:
considering how PSP manages to sell @ 199$/250$ I say once it hits 150$/129$ it'll sell like crazy. I mean for whatever reason people seem to want it... PSP has no games, etc.

how are PSP's sale's stacked up against iPod's?

:lol

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPod#Sales

Krowley · Dec 8, 2006

KeithFranklin said:
Thoughts.

When all is said and done the 360 will grow its lead in the 4th quarter of 2006 with a bigger lead in the next gen race in NA then when it entered it. With the PS3 continuing in short supply I dont see any chance for the PS3 to gain on the 360 until mid 2007. With the Wii it will be interesting to see if the good launch, although it fell 150K short of GCN launch, will it continue into 2007 or will it drop like the GCN did.

I think if nintendo gets enough wii's into the NA market during december, it will outsell the 360 by a fair margin in the USA this christmas.... I just don't know if they can produce enough to make up for the large number of 360's that will be on the shelves.

I think wii will demolish 360 worldwide during the holidays, but in the US it will be a close call.

sonycowboy · Dec 8, 2006

Deku said:
To be quite frank it doesn't take a PHD in anything to figure out that $400 and $500 consoles are going to lag in sales, significantly, until they hit a mass market price which is maybe never for a product like PS3 given Sony's unwillingness to drop prices of the PSP and long term goals to make a money ont he hardware.

The entire PS3 will destroy 360 and make Nintendo go third party scenario was predicated on the assumption the console would come in sub $300. That hasn't happend. And when $599 was announced, it was pretty clear to me Sony just lost as much as half its marketshare to Nintendo and MS.

But we get into spin and damage control and people going on and on about value, and GameCube Turbo. Why it took you so long to come around on this is, well, surprising.

In Sony's world, MS and Nintendo would try to compete with them with $500 consoles (similarly priced goods), but in reality they're about to get clobbered in 2007.

Do you honestly believe people were expecting the PS3 to come in at sub $300 :lol :lol :lol And I don't think anybody expected the 360 to be destroyed. The Wii, of course, has steamrolled the whole industry.

IMO,

1) The resistance to the 360's price point happened MUCH earlier than expected as the hardcore group was MUCH smaller than people thought.

2) Nobody's buying the $299 version and I don't know if that model will EVER work. Microsoft almost outsmarted themselves (and caught Sony too) and now is committed to never requiring the HDD for games, even though 90% of people have it. The core is a non-starter. Maybe @ $199 it will, but I seriously doubt it.

3) The PS3, if they had 2M units this holiday @ $499/$599 would have sold. However, the piss poor launch means that the holiday funds will be all gone and they'll never have benefited from the 6 month's at the high price. I've always assumed the price would drop in the spring.

soundwave05 · Dec 8, 2006

I don't think MS is that thrilled with their hardware sales. Yes, they barely eeked out Nintendo, but that's essentially only because of a supply issue, not a demand issue. Kinda like a boxer getting bailed out by the bell.

The PS2 by comparision absolutely routed the the GCN and XBox in a similar situation (Nov. 2001).

I kinda figured something was up when they didn't put out any kind of press release after the Thanksgiving week. Usually MS is not shy at all when it comes to things like that.

Dahbomb · Dec 8, 2006

Krowley said:
umm... that's the point isn't it?

For a game console this was a middling result. You don't grade on a curve just because it's more expensive. A successful console will eventually have to sell like the snes did, like the ps1/ps2 did... When will MS reach those kinds of numbers?

QFMFT!!!

dammitmattt · Dec 8, 2006

sonycowboy said:
My 360 is getting 90% of my playing time vs my PS2 and PS3.

Then it's just 360 fans. Perfectly understandable, although all three camps are equally obnoxious.

KeithFranklin · Dec 8, 2006

Y2Kevbug11 said:
Viva bombing is the worst news from the gaming industry I've heard all year.

I must have missed it, but didnt see any news on Viva sales. It wasnt in the Top 10 I heard, but nothing else. Do we have any concrete news on Viva?

Mojovonio · Dec 8, 2006

Speevy said:
Viva bombed the second its marketing plan was imagined. I can just picture the poor guys at Rare designing this brilliant game while whispering to themselves "No one is going to play this."

I hope Rare comes into these forums to see how much we love Viva.

KINGMOKU · Dec 8, 2006

Okay, what in the **** happened?!?!?!?

Someone give me the rundown, becuase I just got home, and I expected something, and it would seem some sort of bomb went off.

I am really confused, and angry.

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