Probably for people like me. I only buy launch consoles when there's a library I'm excited about. Drive Club isn't a game that interests me slightly (I'm wheel only when it comes to racers). GT6 would have me there day one. If not, they better show something they haven't already. Because otherwise I'll skip till a later time.
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GT6 will use addaptive tesselation
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Probably for people like me. I only buy launch consoles when there's a library I'm excited about. Drive Club isn't a game that interests me slightly (I'm wheel only when it comes to racers). GT6 would have me there day one. If not, they better show something they haven't already. Because otherwise I'll skip till a later time.
Betta Lines
Member
Nah it's definitely for geometry on the vehicles. Look at the new models - can you see any poly edges around the curves of the headlights, for example?
jacksepticeye
Member
More GT6 threads please
Angelus Errare
Banned
basically.
Can we quit with this shit?
They could increase LOD0 geometry of cars or just use LOD0 for Photomode shots like Forza. That doesnt mean that they are tessellated.
Well, we know SPUs are very good at vector calculations and that all games already go trough geometry with them to get RSX give decent performance.
They most likely do not use polygons to describe the cars and road anymore, but some other description of surface like patches of B-Spline or Catmull-Clark.
Send patches to SPU and use it to tesselate, evaluate the surface and convert it to polygons for RSX to render.
which means that opsite of that (size and position of objects on screen) is adaptive tesselation.
It's the new blast processing...
Look again they have self shadows
Where is selfshadowing
here? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZM-8_N8gcaw&feature=player_detailpage#t=73s
or here? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZM-8_N8gcaw&feature=player_detailpage#t=67s
No, that would be polygon reduction algorithm, like progressive meshes and such.
http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/um/people/hoppe/proj/pm/
http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/um/people/hoppe/proj/newqem/
Adaptive tesselation just means that you can feed parameter to tesselator, which tells how much you want to object or part of it to be tesselated during runtime.
Also I'm quite sure that they will not use displacement mapping with the tesselation, it wouldn't make sense on Ps3.
Uhh since when self shadowing will be in your face everywhere ? Most of cars in trailer didn't really have any self-shadowing sources also light condition were not excellent.
Fire up GT5 and look for self shadowing on less than full sun and you will see that it is toned down a lot.
Waldo Lydecker
Member
So this basically confirms that GT6 will be a steady 60fps?
It doesn't work like that. IT is just feature which was rather suprizing for PS3
oooh fancy new adaptive tesselation!
*polyphony still uses standard models for majority of cars*
we don't know about that yet. I am 99% sure there will be standard cars but this question will be asked by Jordan from GTP
Also what this has to do with standard cars being in GT ?
In GT 5 self-shadowing was always when it could be [so when wasnt in shadow], sometimes very low res, but there was always.
Graphics Horse
Member
http://gematsu.com/gallery/gran-turismo-6/may-15-2013/Gran-Turismo-6_2013_05-15-13_017.jpg.php
Going by the pics in the gallery, this just looks precalculated models at various resolutions, which GT5 did not have. (It snapped between full detail and cardboard box car)
Even if it will come to PS4, I'm not holding my breath that both games will launch within six months of each other.
here :
look at the trunk under wing at the end of gif. Self shadows are simply much much much smoother than they were in GT5 (low res and hard)
they fixed them
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
So many compelling textures.
who gives a damn about some tesselation or some other smoke and mirrors graphics effects when the core of the game is still using assets from a game released in 2005
what is this, amateur hour?
The DriveClub trailer didn't do much to separate itself imo..
dragonelite
Member
More like junior hour. Tesselation doesn't have to do anything with standard cars.
Want to complain about standard cars go to official GT6 coming holiday thread
Smooter edges. Rounder objects. Google tesselation demo
Whoa i thought you posted random model.
Here is from his link :
GT6 TESSELATION IN ACTION
maybe indirectly, but it does
its like focusing on scooping water out of a sinking boat while ignoring the large hole in the bow
my argument is how am i supposed to care about what tesselation will bring to GT6 when ill still want to gouge my eyes out looking at standard car assets. and its like PD just doesnt get it
now if tesselation literally will allow it to automatically scale lower poly assets to "premium" level cars without PD having to remaster them, then thats great
but thats not what tesselation means if my memory serves me
The same people that would buy motorstorm or need for speed?
This isn't standard car thread. Want to whine about standard cars go to official thread and stop derailing thread.
With respect, is there any information out there to what, specifically, "adaptive tessellation" is in GT6? I see this thread, and people excited for it as a feature, and no one able to answer what it actually is. It strikes me as exactly why people make fun of the excitement for GDDR5 with no basis in what fast ram actually achieves.
I'm not clear, if it's actually tessellation, why it wouldn't be called that. And what detail we have describes precalculated LOD variation, which is a different process.
I'm not clear, if it's actually tessellation, why it wouldn't be called that. And what detail we have describes precalculated LOD variation, which is a different process.
Graphics coder here. Tessellation let's us break up a mesh into a more complex mesh for use in something like displacement mapping. The question is how much we breakup the mesh. Adaptive tessellation let's us break up the mesh using dynamic factors such as distance, occlusion, and size.
Tessellation wasn't originally supported on the PS3 so it's likely they're doing this as an SPE job. PS4 has tessellation support from the get go.
Tessellation wasn't originally supported on the PS3 so it's likely they're doing this as an SPE job. PS4 has tessellation support from the get go.
Yep
Metalmurphy
Member
GT already does this so it's probably a new way of doing it.
The comment you quoted was specifically discussing the ramifications for tessellation in potentially improving the bad modelling on some of the cars in GT5. You not wanting to hear it isn't the same as off topic.
It is but it's a tricky thing to implement with tessellation.
Tessellation and dynamic LOD are entirely separate things, but it is one of those things that makes sense to use together.
The difference between this and the traditional way of doing LODs is memory. With traditional LODs, you need to store a separate mesh for each model's level of detail. With adaptive tessellation, you can potentially just store a base model and let the tessellation shaders handle how many primitives are produced.
dragonelite
Member
Lods is just switching in a more complex model.
With tessellation you can have one model and some data on where to tessellate the quads.
Adaptive Tessellation is probably used to save memory but give up some computation time.
At least that is what it sounds like in my head
Jonsoncao
Banned
I believe OP does know nothing about "adaptive tessellation" as the technique which is (a)essentially computing an indicator or potential function to adaptively coarsen/refine mesh for the objective functional(lighting, fluid, elastic deformation), or (b)performing mesh refining automatically where the mean curvature is large.
What you posted are just meshes with different LODs. They seem to have nothing to do with adaptive tessellation that is widely used in the scientific community to solve the electromagnetic wave propagation numerical simulation problem (for e.g. ray tracing).
What you posted are just meshes with different LODs. They seem to have nothing to do with adaptive tessellation that is widely used in the scientific community to solve the electromagnetic wave propagation numerical simulation problem (for e.g. ray tracing).