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Jarmel
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(01-09-2014, 11:36 PM)
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If it is a bug, it's sort of a random one. Like what does a person's internet have to do with a game like this? Leaderboards issue or something?
Gbraga
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(01-09-2014, 11:36 PM)
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And here I was about to buy it for the fourth time to gift it again.

Kanomi pls
Zeouterlimits
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(01-09-2014, 11:37 PM)
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Oh jeez.
Please just let this be an accident.
RoboGeorgeForeman
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(01-09-2014, 11:37 PM)
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I bet the pirates won't have to put up with this shit. :\ Guess I won't regret getting the PS3 version for now.
toddhunter
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(01-09-2014, 11:37 PM)
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Originally Posted by EmCeeGramr

Added disclaimer to the thread title until we get some clarification.

I think that is safe. Never put down to malice what could simply be Konami's incompetence.
Sophia
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(01-09-2014, 11:37 PM)
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Originally Posted by epmode

Does Rising have any internet connectivity in the console version? Aside from the usual Live/PSN network stuff. Leaderboards?

It's a single player game through and through. I don't recall any online functionality at all.
Eusis
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(01-09-2014, 11:37 PM)
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Originally Posted by epmode

Does Rising have any internet connectivity in the console version? Aside from the usual Live/PSN network stuff. Leaderboards?

No, nothing like Dark Souls or anything. The only reason for this is either as an accident or as overbearing DRM nonsense.
ponpo
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(01-09-2014, 11:37 PM)
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People, especially PC gamers care about this?

Can't you just not lose internet for the 6 or so hours it takes to beat this game? I know people will say its the principle and it's weird game to have online DRM (if it's not a bug) but doesn't sound very obtrusive for such a short game. Still weird ┐(ー`)┌
IHaveCandy
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(01-09-2014, 11:38 PM)
Fuck GW.
zainetor
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(01-09-2014, 11:38 PM)
it's probably a bug or else they would have mentioned it on the store page, i hope...
Gbraga
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(01-09-2014, 11:38 PM)
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Originally Posted by Jarmel

If it is a bug, it's sort of a random one. Like what does a person's internet have to do with a game like this? Leaderboards issue or something?

It features cloud saving, maybe it's a bug related to that?

I dunno, it's strange though, you'd think that if it was intentional it would at least return to the menu or something instead of just crashing.
Dario ff
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(01-09-2014, 11:38 PM)
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This seems to be a bug from somewhere of the Steamworks implementation. Starting Steam in offline mode should not lead to something like this even if there's an active internet connection that the game's checking (Which is the case with most of my uPlay games being able to boot in Steam offline mode). If the DRM server is from Konami, the game would still work in offline mode in theory.

I'm chalking this up to a bug and a misunderstanding of the Steamworks API by a japanese developer. Also, as Guess Who said below, a modified Steam API DLL makes the game work just fine. There's no external DRM server here, and it doesn't make it any harder to crack it either.
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Nibel
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(01-09-2014, 11:38 PM)
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JP just woke up and seems to drop by at the office - pretty high chance he'll see this and tell us what's up
Curious_George
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(01-09-2014, 11:38 PM)
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So I guess if I want the best version I should grab the pirated one which apparently will run fine offline and cost me nothing. Sounds good to me?
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MMBosstones86
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(01-09-2014, 11:39 PM)
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Originally Posted by Htown

Unless I'm mistaken, it's an entirely single player game.

Why does it need a connection in the first place?

I think that's what Durante is saying, an unintentional bug misusing the Steam API
epmode
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(01-09-2014, 11:39 PM)
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Originally Posted by Gbraga

It features cloud saving, maybe it's a bug related to that?

Cloud saving is handled on Valve's side and it only takes effect after the game has been closed.
xBladeM6x
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(01-09-2014, 11:39 PM)
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I smell an increase in this title being pirated / offline cracks will be made for it. It's funny how that happens more with DRM enabled games because of the DRM. Idiot publishers will never learn.
Guess Who
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(01-09-2014, 11:39 PM)
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This is definitely a function of the way MGR uses the Steam API. Using a modified steam_api.dll allows it to work in Steam Offline mode. I can't say whether it's a bug or deliberate implementation, but it's not any other sort of DRM, all Steam.
Yuuichi
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(01-09-2014, 11:39 PM)
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Originally Posted by Gbraga

It features cloud saving, maybe it's a bug related to that?

I dunno, it's strange though, you'd think that if it was intentional it would at least return to the menu or something instead of just crashing.

That would make sense, bad call with no exception and pop goes the program.

Originally Posted by Guess Who

This is definitely a function of the way MGR uses the Steam API. Using a modified steam_api.dll allows it to work in Steam Offline mode.

Well then, looks like my theory might be substantiated.
Last edited by Yuuichi; 01-09-2014 at 11:40 PM. Reason: Evidence
plutoknight
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(01-09-2014, 11:39 PM)
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Originally Posted by ponpo

People, especially PC gamers care about this?

Can't you just not lose internet for the 6 or so hours it takes to beat this game? I know people will say its the principle and it's weird game to have online DRM (if it's not a bug) but doesn't sound very obtrusive for such a short game. Still weird ┐(ー`)┌

Some of us have connections that are suspectible to dropouts. It'd be nice if the game would at least give you a time limit to re-establish connectoin
KINGofCRA5H
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(01-09-2014, 11:39 PM)
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Originally Posted by ponpo

People, especially PC gamers care about this?

Can't you just not lose internet for the 6 or so hours it takes to beat this game? I know people will say its the principle and it's weird game to have online DRM (if it's not a bug) but doesn't sound very obtrusive for such a short game. Still weird ┐(ー`)┌

It's the sort of thing that we as paying customers have a right to know. Hopefully we're all wrong here and it's just a bug. Otherwise, that means that Konami knew about it and chose not to report it.
Somnid
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(01-09-2014, 11:39 PM)
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Originally Posted by Burli

But you can play Dark Souls offline?

Starting online and maintaining online to me is splitting hairs. If I'm having internet problems neither work.
antitrop
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(01-09-2014, 11:40 PM)
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Hopefully they patch this sooner, rather than later.
LeleSocho
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(01-09-2014, 11:40 PM)
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And to think that i almost felt bad for not buying at the holiday sales.
Thank god i didn't buy this.
Htown
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(01-09-2014, 11:40 PM)
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Originally Posted by ponpo

People, especially PC gamers care about this?

No, we're all just bored, and would rather make message board posts about games than play them.

Can't you just not lose internet for the 6 or so hours it takes to beat this game? I know people will say its the principle and it's weird game to have online DRM (if it's not a bug) but doesn't sound very obtrusive for such a short game. Still weird ┐(ー`)┌

You're right, I'll just schedule my next internet outage accordingly. Also, I'll schedule Konami's and Steam's next outage accordingly.
ponpo
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(01-09-2014, 11:40 PM)
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Originally Posted by plutoknight

Some of us have connections that are suspectible to dropouts. It'd be nice if the game would at least give you a time limit to re-establish connectoin

Sounds annoying :(

Originally Posted by KINGofCRA5H

It's the sort of thing that we as paying customers have a right to know. Hopefully we're all wrong here and it's just a bug. Otherwise, that means that Konami knew about it and chose not to report it.

Yeah kind of scummy if it's not written anywhere.

Originally Posted by Htown

No, we're all just bored, and would rather make message board posts about games than play them.

You make it sound like this isn't what happens ( ≖‿≖)


Originally Posted by Htown

You're right, I'll just schedule my next internet outage accordingly. Also, I'll schedule Konami's and Steam's next outage accordingly.

I didn't know people experience outages so frequently. Playing MGR will be a hassle then. Let's hope you never get into multiplayer gaming!
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Omega Rex
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(01-09-2014, 11:40 PM)
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Originally Posted by Somnid

Like Dark Souls nobody will give a shit, blah, blah "PC is awesome so whatever." Also why PC pre-sell is bullshit. I thankfully dodged a bullet here.

?

Dark Souls goes for like $5 now and people still have refused to buy it because of the DRM.

I got it for free and don't even play it because of the DRM
angular graphics
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(01-09-2014, 11:40 PM)
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Metal Gear Rising: .torrent Definitive Edition?

Why must the pirates get the better version of the game? :-(
Steve Youngblood
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(01-09-2014, 11:40 PM)
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Originally Posted by ponpo

People, especially PC gamers care about this?

Can't you just not lose internet for the 6 or so hours it takes to beat this game? I know people will say its the principle and it's weird game to have online DRM (if it's not a bug) but doesn't sound very obtrusive for such a short game. Still weird ┐(ー`)┌

Some people probably don't care. Some people do care for (what I think should be) obvious reasons. Issues like this aren't something that I demand people get worked up about, but I don't know why objections to this -- even on principle -- would be surprising.
Mrbob
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(01-09-2014, 11:41 PM)
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Originally Posted by ponpo

People, especially PC gamers care about this?

Can't you just not lose internet for the 6 or so hours it takes to beat this game? I know people will say its the principle and it's weird game to have online DRM (if it's not a bug) but doesn't sound very obtrusive for such a short game. Still weird ┐(ー`)┌

Until you lose connection somewhere in the middle of a game and lose your progress. Why should we have to play the game worrying about this in the first place?
puzl
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(01-09-2014, 11:41 PM)
Christ, are we really going down this route again? I really hoped the days of having to download scene cracks just to prevent dialling home to big brother was a thing of the past.

Hopefully it's just a bug like Durante says it might be, but if not... poor show, Konami. Poor show.
LiK
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(01-09-2014, 11:41 PM)
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@PG_jp: No idea. Ill ask first thing. RT @GeneralDysisa: something preventing people from playing the game unless online. Glitch or intentional?

https://twitter.com/PG_jp/status/421411000680583168

Hmmmmm
RionaaM
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(01-09-2014, 11:41 PM)
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There's no need for this kind of DRM. This is horrible, and I hope it gets removed ASAP.
Gbraga
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(01-09-2014, 11:41 PM)
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Originally Posted by ponpo

People, especially PC gamers care about this?

Can't you just not lose internet for the 6 or so hours it takes to beat this game? I know people will say its the principle and it's weird game to have online DRM (if it's not a bug) but doesn't sound very obtrusive for such a short game. Still weird ┐(ー`)┌

If you play a character action game only for as long as it takes to beat once, you're doing it wrong.
xBladeM6x
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(01-09-2014, 11:41 PM)
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Originally Posted by angular graphics

Metal Gear Rising: .torrent Definitive Edition?

Why must the pirates get the better version of the game? :-(

They don't. You can just download the standalone crack.exe for the game and still be able to enjoy your purchased version offline.
BennyBlanco
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(01-09-2014, 11:41 PM)
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it'll probably be patched out, but i guess my internet dropped for a second after the 1st boss and it just booted me to desktop. doubt it's intentional.
Spring-Loaded
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(01-09-2014, 11:41 PM)
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Originally Posted by ponpo

People, especially PC gamers care about this?

Can't you just not lose internet for the 6 or so hours it takes to beat this game? I know people will say its the principle and it's weird game to have online DRM (if it's not a bug) but doesn't sound very obtrusive for such a short game. Still weird ┐(ー`)┌

C'mon dude.
Eusis
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(01-09-2014, 11:41 PM)
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Originally Posted by ponpo

People, especially PC gamers care about this?

Can't you just not lose internet for the 6 or so hours it takes to beat this game? I know people will say its the principle and it's weird game to have online DRM (if it's not a bug) but doesn't sound very obtrusive for such a short game.

You can't control whether or not you have an internet outtage, and this seemingly just shuts it down rather than going "we'll wait until it's back" so if you're actually making really good progress in a boss fight or something you could get fucked over arbitrarily, might even corrupt saves at an extreme. Nevermind that sometimes there's weird hiccups that happens that last only for a half minute or so. Or your router/modem is starting to go south but you either haven't diagnosed the problem just yet or can't take a surprise cost like that JUST yet.

Really, shit that isn't vital to running the game but will wreck it if it's not there shouldn't be tolerated, period. You could say the same things about electricity going out but that's a necessary part of running the hardware, and since this isn't an online game it is not necessary to cease working because it isn't there.
TatteredHat
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(01-09-2014, 11:42 PM)
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Always online is a pretty big stain on what could have been a very good port, such a shame.
Azula
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(01-09-2014, 11:42 PM)
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Thanks for the heads up. Won't be buying this.
Durante
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(01-09-2014, 11:42 PM)
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I'm more convinced now that they just don't handle some return value from some Steam API function correctly.
Grief.exe
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(01-09-2014, 11:42 PM)
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This is obviously a bug, you don't just CTD as soon as internet connection goes out.

There is some interaction between steamworks and the game that is just failing.
gaboumafou
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(01-09-2014, 11:43 PM)
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They were the bad guys all along! This is a MGS-worthy plot twist!
Wereroku
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(01-09-2014, 11:43 PM)
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OP can you quote Durante. Many people are already talking about pirating when this may be just a bug.
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dark_inferno
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(01-09-2014, 11:43 PM)
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Singleplayer game with always online. Some disgusting shit.
Sophia
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(01-09-2014, 11:43 PM)
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Originally Posted by Durante

I'm more convinced now that they just don't handle some return value from some Steam API function correctly.

Seems like it. Still pretty unacceptable either way, but I guess it's easily missed.
Grief.exe
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(01-09-2014, 11:44 PM)
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Originally Posted by Wereroku

OP can you quote Durante in the OP. Many people are already talking about pirating when this may be just a bug.

They already opened up this can of worms, word is already spreading through the internet like wildfire.
puzl
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(01-09-2014, 11:44 PM)

Originally Posted by Omega Rex

?

Dark Souls goes for like $5 now and people still have refused to buy it because of the DRM.

I got it for free and don't even play it because of the DRM

Dark Souls doesn't use DRM in some evil, insidious way though. It just relies on GFWL for the net-coding, specifically for when you play online. I'm sure if it was SP only, FROM/Namco would have just released the game on Steam as it was, without the need for GFWL. Do I wish it didn't have it? Sure, but then it was a rushed port anyway. All being well, GFWL will be removed soon anyway.

Anyway, more fool them for letting a username and password prompt prevent them from playing the game of the decade.
CecilRousso
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(01-09-2014, 11:44 PM)
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If it's a bug, please fix.

If it's intentional, no buy, out of principle. There is no good reason for it being there, and I'm not supporting companies that does stupid things for no good reason.
BigDes
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(01-09-2014, 11:44 PM)
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Originally Posted by Htown

Unless I'm mistaken, it's an entirely single player game.

Why does it need a connection in the first place?

Steamcloud saves

Always nice to be able to download a game on another pc and have my save come with it

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