QuiteWhittle
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Oh sorry. I thought he was.
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Final Fantasy XV Gamescom Active Time Report - CNN reporting live from disaster scene
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Oh sorry. I thought he was.
It's sure that the fact of developing on PSP didn't excuse some of the choices they made for T0, but at the same time it's hard to think they're going to do the same things (bad level design) on a completely different console.
threelights
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Running from box to box you say?
And that's one of the more interesting maps.
Type-0 is literally a bunch of stock-rooms that they just put together in different combinations... Much like .Hack.
I really wouldn't put Type-0 above it. They are very similar...
And XV is currently not any better. The fact that it is now open world doesn't mean it will have more level design. Duscae is pretty much as nothing as any of Type-0's maps. Except it has less loading screens. Also, I'm amazed at how some of the caves from Type-0 are more interesting than the one in Duscae lol.
This. Type-0 had some really awesome ideas, like bringing back the world map, a lot of playable characters with customizable skills, ranged and meelee gameplay... had they been used in a full scale game, I believe, it would be just awesome =/...
Things I didn't like about type-0 were mostly due to hardware limitations (like
chapter eight
Tabata himself said the story got screwed up because they had to fit FNC there somehow
infinite loop was a dumb idea
part of it's charm for me was that I tought Cid was just a general from a screwed up country who had to feed his subjects while the other nations were being jerks and didn't care to help =/ like, you know, a normal reason for someone to start a war =P
Of course i'll miss the dream team, but I can't ask Tabata to do a Nomura game either, i'll just hope that he understantds the differences between a PSP and a PS4 game and hope for the best =/
Running from box to box you say?
And that's one of the more interesting maps.
Type-0 is literally a bunch of stock-rooms that they just put together in different combinations... Much like .Hack.
I really wouldn't put Type-0 above it. They are very similar...
And XV is currently not any better. The fact that it is now open world doesn't mean it will have more level design. Duscae is pretty much as nothing as any of Type-0's maps. Except it has less loading screens. Also, I'm amazed at how some of the caves from Type-0 are more interesting than the one in Duscae lol.
The squares are representative, the rooms aren't actually square shaped.
...you did play Type-0, didn't you...?
If we're criticizing moving from one cell to another, you're indicting practically all of videogame-dom as having bad level design. If you used Type-0's minimap instead of its area map it wouldn't look so bad.
This is what I meant:
From a serious level design perspective, Type-0 does a lot more than this.
Lol damn man. Him not completing the other games doesn't automatically mean the game's going to flop.
Kenzodielocke
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I don't discredit him by my post, this is not my intention. I believe that he can make a great game. For me it's stirking, that you only played through one Final Fantasy, because you know, there are others that are better
He doesn't have to 100% but he does have to beat certain games. Like IV-XIV.
The squares are representative, the rooms aren't actually square shaped.
...you did play Type-0, didn't you...?
If we're criticizing moving from one cell to another, you're indicting practically all of videogame-dom as having bad level design. If you used Type-0's minimap instead of its area map it wouldn't look so bad.
This is what I meant:
From a serious level design perspective, Type-0 does a lot more than this.
Yikes. Good luck FFVII if the rumours are true.
threelights
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Over 100 hours, yes. I saw every single map in the game multiple times.
Type-0 doesn't have a minimap for each area because they are all so simplistic that you don't need it. The boxed-map they have in the menu is enough and tells you all about it...
Actually, most (if not all) of the rooms are square shaped, they just draw a little path on it where you can walk. You have a bit of elevation in some of the caverns/mountains, but that's it. It is (again) a bunch of stock rooms they put together in different combinations.
And I'll be very honest here. If you find a proper minimap that covers the entire area, yes, it would be just as bad as the menu-screen map I posted, because the game is nothing but running around the same stock places over and over with no real thought put into it and no actual design to speak of.
People excited for CC2 to work on it is more about the visual quality of their work (and their attention to detail). For a roguelike with procedurally generated maps this is about standard fare.
I don't think anything in that screenshot is representative of stuff that would be applicable to FF7.
It's a roguelike? Oh, then you're right.
My concern over them is that they have never developed a game even close to the scale of FFVII. And it's an external developer. I've only played the Naruto games and Solatorobo from CC2.
I don't know much else about the games they make, but I'm excited to see the first footage just to even get an understanding of what the scope is.
Well they're probably just doing mass work, following Nomura's and other core stuff's orders.
I don't discredit him by my post, this is not my intention. I believe that he can make a great game. For me it's stirking, that you only played through one Final Fantasy, because you know, there are others that are better
Oh I see, that's what you meant! He still played others, though. FFVII left the biggest impression on him. His favorite is FFVI. Also he said that FFIII, FFIV, FFV and FFVI turned out to be the biggest inspiration for him while developing FFXV. So, it's not like FFI is his favorite just because he finished it.
no surprise summons will take such a central role then.
She was a monotoned asshole, but shit at least an asshole shows some initiative and might try hitting the people making problems for them.
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My god, this made me defend something Toriyama made. I need to sit and think real hard for a while. Excuse me.
artsi
Member
It's nice to have bits of information here and there, though they could have told this kind of stuff in the ATR to begin with.
So apparently party members can also use basic magic with the rings, but Noctis has special powers in addition to that.
I'm excited to see what it looks like.
So apparently party members can also use basic magic with the rings, but Noctis has special powers in addition to that.
I'm excited to see what it looks like.
Yabberwocky
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My broken heart can deal with the loss of DILF!Regis if it is plot related. I guess. Sigh. I'm enjoying all the intrigue, though!
Very interesting stuff. These offshoot interviews after gamescom have been great. They should have really mention some of that in the ATRs and then just repeated in in more detail in the interviews.
My imagination is probably just running a bit wild but I like the sound of that.
I just think of it as noctis aka the avatar the master of all elements haha which I think is still pretty damn cool.
Summons were an integral part of Nomura's Versus XIII/XV already, that's not something Tabata has brought to FFXV. Nomura talked about summons and how they would have an important role in the story, how there would be secret, optional fights against summons and how there would be different ranks of summon creeatures, the highest ones being those like Ramuh that are massive and hugely powerful. All of that should still be true for Tabata's FFXV, though they might've expanded on some of the ideas thanks to being able to use more powerful hardware.
CC2 has never done a massive scale project because they haven't been paid to. Publishers just haven't been interested in giving them that kind of money. That doesn't mean they couldn't handle it if someone like Square Enix came along and gave them the resources to do so.
Having said that, they've done some pretty impressive work with the Naruto games & Asura's Wrath, so they do obviously have the talent to make some pretty epic stuff. Given more money & support, I'm sure they will be able to do well on FFVIIR. Though I doubt CC2 would be the only company working on FFVIIR. Maybe they are the main grunt-work team while creative & lead design control is still over at SQEX and they'll outsource work to a lot of smaller companies.
Agreed on the specifics concerning summons, but he never stated anything specifically concerning their motives or personalities or how this would relate to the story (as I can remember). Of-course, these changes might have taken place even before he left his position as main director, meaning that Nomura was the guy that was behind the changes even if the game had already switched to versus.
artsi
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Considering that Tabata said they deliberately hid changes in the first trailers not to freak out old Versus fans, I have a feeling that Nomura was involved at least with the Luna / story modifications in some capacity. No idea when the Regis design swap was executed though.
Of course Nomura could've been moved out long before it was announced to us, and Tabata was holding the reins already at that point.
KoopaTheCasual
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We avatar now.
My imagination is probably just running a bit wild but I like the sound of that.
chozen
Member
The way he says it, it sounds like a new system they are coming up with now.
Does anyone not remember Tabata saying like earlier this year that they didn't like the way magic looked, and he is still saying that today? I have never heard of these magic rings before.
Also rings that only use environmental effects sounds really limiting if you are indoors that have no weather effects. The only thing that I hope to see is that when he says "Lucis exclusive magic" it means Noctis can freely use Fire Blizzard and Thunder at the least whenever he wants, all the ring stuff should be just extra.
Does anyone not remember Tabata saying like earlier this year that they didn't like the way magic looked, and he is still saying that today? I have never heard of these magic rings before.
Also rings that only use environmental effects sounds really limiting if you are indoors that have no weather effects. The only thing that I hope to see is that when he says "Lucis exclusive magic" it means Noctis can freely use Fire Blizzard and Thunder at the least whenever he wants, all the ring stuff should be just extra.
Going with my, it's not Regis theory.
PierrePressure
Neo Member
I may have missed it elsewhere but have we had it confirmed how Summons will work?
Did not like how Ramuh only summoned when at 0 HP.
Can only think that others summons will be used when within certain parameters (only a quarter of life is remaining/poisoned state/etc).
Did not like how Ramuh only summoned when at 0 HP.
Can only think that others summons will be used when within certain parameters (only a quarter of life is remaining/poisoned state/etc).
I translated the part regarding Stella's magic skills and that transformation scene from the old trailers:
"Spieletester.com:
Stella's powers and magic were very popular. Are they gone or still in the final game?
Hajime Tabata:
Her transformation skills, right. Hmm, they were from a very early version of the game, everything was pre-rendered. When we wrote the new story, we could, of course, just have used everything from the old trailers and recreated it exactly the same way. But we didn't want to implement everything that was already there come hell or high water. As long as it doesn't fit the game perfectly, it shouldn't be in it, we think. The most important thing is to make FFXV the best game it can be. Of course we understand that many really liked those scenes, but we're trying to include elements that will trigger the same feelings with fans. We understand what you want and we want to give you that, but not by forcing the inclusion of things that don't fit. Do you understand that? I just want to be honest regarding our motives."
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Yup, his answer in that interview sounded pretty much like that. He even said how much he likes the original Regis design and that it fits perfectly, but there is a "very good, very special reason" for his change. I think they just don't want to spoil it and rather "lied".
Not yet. But they confirmed that the way it worked in ED was just a placeholder mechanic and not representative of the final game (actually there's a message box popping up saying exactly this in-game when you get the summon).
"Spieletester.com:
Stella's powers and magic were very popular. Are they gone or still in the final game?
Hajime Tabata:
Her transformation skills, right. Hmm, they were from a very early version of the game, everything was pre-rendered. When we wrote the new story, we could, of course, just have used everything from the old trailers and recreated it exactly the same way. But we didn't want to implement everything that was already there come hell or high water. As long as it doesn't fit the game perfectly, it shouldn't be in it, we think. The most important thing is to make FFXV the best game it can be. Of course we understand that many really liked those scenes, but we're trying to include elements that will trigger the same feelings with fans. We understand what you want and we want to give you that, but not by forcing the inclusion of things that don't fit. Do you understand that? I just want to be honest regarding our motives."
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Yup, his answer in that interview sounded pretty much like that. He even said how much he likes the original Regis design and that it fits perfectly, but there is a "very good, very special reason" for his change. I think they just don't want to spoil it and rather "lied".
Not yet. But they confirmed that the way it worked in ED was just a placeholder mechanic and not representative of the final game (actually there's a message box popping up saying exactly this in-game when you get the summon).
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Deleted member 20920
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That was my very first thought when I first saw the trailer. It seems like the father is giving up his son for adoption into the royal palace because Noctis was chosen to be the next king.
NoctisVsStar
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I like this theory.
YankeeDonB
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"-Magic is usually activated by special rings the characters will be able to wear. It wont come from the characters hands, instead you will manipulate the elements in the environment."
I really like the sound of that. I like the visual effects, but find the typical FF magic system fairly bland and too abstract. Like, wait, how exactly are these guys casting these powerful spells, and why are they able to? Grounding it in the world more specifically could be great!
I really like the sound of that. I like the visual effects, but find the typical FF magic system fairly bland and too abstract. Like, wait, how exactly are these guys casting these powerful spells, and why are they able to? Grounding it in the world more specifically could be great!
birthbysleep
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The newest interview almost gives me hope that the Versus changes are indeed for the best but Tabata seriously needs to start showing us, not just telling. Maybe the changes were to distance it from FNC as much as possible, which is probably a good thing.
I agree with the Noctis adoption theory. But if true, then flat out calling the man in the Dawn trailer King Regis is a blatant lie, which I can't really see them doing after the Stella fiasco.
I agree with the Noctis adoption theory. But if true, then flat out calling the man in the Dawn trailer King Regis is a blatant lie, which I can't really see them doing after the Stella fiasco.
On the other hand, if they hadn't have a name for him everybody would have known immediately that it's not his dad. Then again, in the interview he said they will reveal more about the reason behind the change pretty soon.
Spoilers incoming.
Now that's an interesting theory actually. Who is this guy then if not Regis? High ranking soldier or something? Could Make for some interesting plot.
MultiJhonny
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Could be Regis's brother. If Regis has the throne it would make sense if he was chosen to be king next especially if Regis doesn't have any children.
But honestly I think it is Regis. I guess we will see though
Also it would make Noctis's real father be a father figure to him and in his life by being his uncle. IDK it could work. Still think it is Regis though
If they have to basically all but spoil that there are some fatherhood shenanigans going on already, then that's a pretty terrible way to market the story for your game. I wish it was explained some other way than alluding it to be a "heavy spoiler".
Of course, this could very well be fanfic like it was for all of the Versus years, but SE is already in a position where they have to comment on stuff that shouldn't need further explanation, but they give it anyway because long time fans are paranoid. Just a crappy situation.
Of course, this could very well be fanfic like it was for all of the Versus years, but SE is already in a position where they have to comment on stuff that shouldn't need further explanation, but they give it anyway because long time fans are paranoid. Just a crappy situation.
Death Penalty
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Does anyone have a full translation for that interview with the tidbits about magic? I'm hearing from some that Tabata was asked about spells like Ultima and Flare and gave a really lame "quality over quantity" response that might have implied they're not in. I don't speak German though so I can't tell if this is true or not.
:V
He just admitted they basically lied to hide spoilers/changes so...
Also consider there might be someone else who was previously called "Regis" since the name itself means king.
Go_Ly_Dow
Member
I think a lot of elements from the really early concept stuff from 2006-2008 have remained in tact.
Stuff like "Nifilheim" and "Idola Eldercapt" could be heard on the radio in previous trailers.
We have seen concept art showing the overworld outside Insomnia and it looks exactly like what Nomura showed in the TGS2010 Gameplay reveal.
It's not a completely different game.