good advice. I have found a way to avoid spoilers: I'll let someone else watch it first. I know a guy who doesn't give a shit about spoilers. If there are spoilers.. lol not watching. For now the books are more important to me. Shame that I'll have to avoid all GoT/ASOIAF threads basically. edit: and tumblr. and all geek sites. basically the internet.
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good advice. I have found a way to avoid spoilers: I'll let someone else watch it first. I know a guy who doesn't give a shit about spoilers. If there are spoilers.. lol not watching. For now the books are more important to me. Shame that I'll have to avoid all GoT/ASOIAF threads basically. edit: and tumblr. and all geek sites. basically the internet.
Yeah that story had like no relevance at all in Feast and then suddenly a long lost "Targaryen" washes ashore in Dance. Really awesome.
Edit: Here it is:
He forged a new sign for the yard, a three-headed dragon of black iron that he hung from a wooden post. The beast was so big it had to be made in a dozen pieces, joined with rope and wire. When the wind blew it would clank and clatter, so the inn became known far and wide as the Clanking Dragon."
"Is the dragon sign still there?" asked Podrick.
"No," said Septon Meribald. "When the smith's son was an old man, a bastard son of the fourth Aegon rose up in rebellion against his trueborn brother and took for his sigil a black dragon. These lands belonged to Lord Darry then, and his lordship was fiercely loyal to the king. The sign of the black iron dragon made him wroth, so he cut down the post, hacked the sign to pieces, and cast them into the river. One of the dragon's heads washed up on the Quiet Isle many years later, though by that time it was red with rust."
PhoenixDark
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I'd be shocked if Aegon isn't a Blackfyre. Going back to the second book, there's too much evidence to suggest he's a fraud. Plus why would the Golden Company put a Targ on the throne.
I kind of wish Aegon could get his hands on an actual dragon though; I like that he's in Westeros already but it seems to make it very unlikely he gets a dragon.
After reading P&TQ it's very hard to believe Dany will have three dragons throughout this war, it would be unfair lol.
I kind of wish Aegon could get his hands on an actual dragon though; I like that he's in Westeros already but it seems to make it very unlikely he gets a dragon.
After reading P&TQ it's very hard to believe Dany will have three dragons throughout this war, it would be unfair lol.
John Dunbar
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i remember reading a theory (or more like wild speculation) that was pretty fun: that aegon is real, but varys and illyrio have made the golden company think he's a blackfyre to get their support. that would sort of explain how the golden company "knows" he's a blackfyre while he retains connington on his side, who knows the truth. since the golden company do not come across as flipfloppers, it's almost certain either them or connington knows something the other don't.
but yeah, i definitely think he's fake, and probably a blackfyre. but i also think that might be exactly what gurm wants me to think.
Oh god, what if Aegon is just some random kid who looks a bit Targ, and Varys and Illyrio are telling the Golden Company he's a Blackfyre and telling everyone else he's Aegon?
Not even going to get into the theories that Varys = Serra and "Aegon" is him/her and Illyrio's son.
Guys, I was just wondering; how is it possible for Aegon to have the recessive Targaryen traits, if he is indeed a Blackfyre? The male line is said to have ended quite some time ago, so the possible inbreeding should have ended back then too. The only way this would work out is if Aegon's mother's line only bred with men of pure Valyrian descent. This means Aegon's father was of Valyrian descent as well. Do we know if Illyrio has any of the traits?
Thinking about it a little more, it's pretty easy to just say Illyrio is indeed of Valyrian descent and make this a non-issue, so I guess this is all kinda pointless. But hey, I already wrote this so why not.
Thinking about it a little more, it's pretty easy to just say Illyrio is indeed of Valyrian descent and make this a non-issue, so I guess this is all kinda pointless. But hey, I already wrote this so why not.
PhoenixDark
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Remember at one point that chapter was in Dance, before Martin split it into two books to create AFFC.
According to him, he does it when it's necessary to advance the plot the way he wants and because he wants the reader to feel like no character is safe. It works at times, but most of the major characters never seem in real danger to me.
I have to say, though, that as a Mannis fan I do fear he could die at any moment, but Jon is the perfect example. R+L=J is too obvious by now, he didn't even have to try..
Melisandre has mentioned stone dragons a couple of times and Old Nan tells stories of ice dragons. I think it will happen, I just hope it doesn't become too cheesy.
Inheritance doesn't work like in our world, it's a fantasy setting. Some half-Targaryens had valyrian features, others had only one. Valyrian features are still common in Lys, and even Houses in Westeros still have them, such as Velaryon and Celtigar.
IIRC, Illyrio's wife had silver hair and blue eyes, so it's possible she had valyrian blood and Aegon is a Blackfyre from the female line.
PhoenixDark
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I'm pretty sure Blackheart (Myles Toyne) knew the truth; Illyrio notes "some contracts are writ in blood" which suggests many things, perhaps including that Toyne was committed to putting a Blackfyre on the throne, as the previous leaders of the GC were.
I think he's been writing been quickly over these last several months having nothing to do except write during the day and go to his cinema at night, no conventions or anything like that.
In the story recap before the episode they'll probably show the scene where he chops his horse's head off from S1 amd show Beric talk about the number of times he's killed him. That's how they usually reintroduce characters if they've been off TV for a while.
Wait, Craster? Sercet Targ? That is stupid.
Red Arremer
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dude isn't wearing a tinfoil hat, he's wrapped himself in several layers of tinfoil.
Ok, it's the dumbest theory I've read in a while and that says A LOT, BUT it would be the only reason I can see the Others wanting his otherwise worthless bastard children, if they somehow had Targ or Stark blood or something.
Because they go through a lot of trouble for those bastard/inbred babies when they can just take them wherever else they want.
John Dunbar
correct about everything
but i do think it's still an intriguing idea that what toyne thought was the truth really isn't. if varys and illyrio have managed to fool connington (and soon probably a good deal of westeros) that the kid is a targaryen, maybe they also fooled toyne and the golden company that he is a blackfyre.
Monocle
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Our future Shadow Queen in the North does whatever the fuck she wants. #TeamSansa
the fuck
No really, I want Sansa to outplay Littlefinger, reinvent herself as the executive power bitch of Westeros, and wreck all comers. The last scene can take place in her new castle, a fully renovated Harrenhal. She and Grandma Tyrell will share lemon cakes in the throne room and make a toast to murder.
That's encouraging. If the threat of the show overtaking the books doesn't light a fire under his bum, nothing will.
GRRM is a delightful artist who should enjoy his success, but he spreads himself too thin.
PhoenixDark
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Seems like the theater has really been good for him because it allows him to do events/meet fans without traveling.
To me the evidence for YG as a Blackfyre is as good as the evidence that R+L=J, and that's pretty solid. GRRM does tend to be a bit heavy-handed in his foreshadowing, leaving a lot of cute tidbits for "observant" readers (or those who trawl internet message boards) to feel pretty clever for figuring out.
And she received an Emmy nomination LOL.
Meanwhile Charles Dance gets ignored, i'm not sure if i have to blame the Emmy committee or if it's hbo that pushes the nominations.
KuwabaraTheMan
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This is possibly the new dumbest theory I've seen.
Memento Mori
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I prefer to think he was hinting the Others have zombie ice dragons.
WhereAreMahDragonz
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This is SCREAMING avatarization.
Dabookerman
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Ice Dragons aye?
King Allant
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story by old nan and constellation in the star name after them. Other then that nothing
Red Arremer
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FootballFan
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We have to form an Anti-Emilia Clarke movement. Can you guys feel the horrible acting coming through the monitor.
Emmy Nomination ...
Oh, yes.We have to form an Anti-Emilia Clarke movement. Can you guys feel the horrible acting coming through the monitor.
Emmy Nomination ...? LOL
We can joke about Emilia's acting skills all we want, but do you realize how much acting skill is required to keep her eyebrows so still when she's talking?
She is getting much worse all the time at this confident Targaryen thing
Better material seems to have worked wonders for Kit Harrington this season.
SquiddyCracker
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Craster having Targ blood isn't that farfetched of a theory.
I reckon that north of the wall, there's very, very few Wildlings with magical Targ blood running through their veins, so when the White Walkers found a dude with some they thought they could use him to bolster their numbers with more potent baby material.
I highly doubt we'll see an Ice Dragon, but it would be fucking awesome.
I reckon that north of the wall, there's very, very few Wildlings with magical Targ blood running through their veins, so when the White Walkers found a dude with some they thought they could use him to bolster their numbers with more potent baby material.
I highly doubt we'll see an Ice Dragon, but it would be fucking awesome.
Red Arremer
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Who says the WW need Targ blood? I'm pretty sure they're picking those babes up cause they're free. Other wildlings would try to fight back or run.
SquiddyCracker
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They might not need it, but it would make for a neat parallel between the magic of Rhlorr's followers and the White Walkers if both require blood with magical power.
WhereAreMahDragonz
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You da best
Stereotype themed birthday party apparently (according to her Instagram).
Definitely the latter. There is this though. Grrm wrote a shorty story about an ice dragon 30+ years ago and that world does have some similarities...
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