Chuckie
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I don't know what he promised. I know that in a very recent speech he said: Kill drug addicts.
It's as simple as that. That is what this topic is about.
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Philippines president Duterte: "If you know of any addicts, go ahead and kill them"
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I don't know what he promised. I know that in a very recent speech he said: Kill drug addicts.
It's as simple as that. That is what this topic is about.
Yoshi
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People who are still fine with lax weapon control, weak social ensurances and low ecological awareness? Please no. If the Democrats were just Bernie Sanders-like people I could live with that, but Clinton-democrats? They'd be very close to the conservative / slightly-right parties CDU & CSU here in Germany, which is not to my liking.
Yes, but I felt you were kind of dismissing my post, when I said his plan is for drug addicts to go to rehab, because that's what he wants. He cares a lot about the people. But yes, he did say "kill drug addicts" and that is very wrong.
I can just imagine his spokesperson saying that the International media have misunderstood him again haha.
DragonSworne
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What is with the rise of fascism?
Bustanen
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Good things like joking about rape, journalists deserving to be killed because they are "sons of bitches"?
This guy is a fucking looney.
SliceSabre
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I'm honestly shocked by how bold this guy is.
I didn't say that. Because that was very wrong too. He is saying a lot of nonsense really. And I dislike that.
Also I must have missed this quote: If you know of any addicts, go ahead and kill them yourself as getting their parents to do it would be too painful. - he seems to be all over the place.
How does he care about people? Because he hasn't demanded they be murdered by their countrymen yet ? Man you have a real interesting idea of what caring about people means.
Chuckie
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Except it is apparently not what he wants. Maybe he promised rehabs for the addicts, but now he thinks they ought to be killed.
Why build rehabs for corpses?
Sleight of Jam
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Came here to post this.
Seriously, the fuck is wrong with people? Open mindedness and evidence based laws are the way to go. Feels like we're going backwards as a society.
I just read the quote as I missed it before and stand corrected.
I'm just trying to explain the Filipino thinking here, and I am not defending the guy. How he cares about the people is through other ways. One thing is, the citizens in general are sick of these drug lords and wants them gone, so he'll take care of them. That's one thing they are very happy about. Another thing is, that he will stop the import of rice, and let the farmers make the rice themselves, and make the agriculture strive again, as they are very good at it. He wants to give a salary raise to people. He wants to implement and ID system like we have in the West. He wants higher pay for people, by demanding higher taxes from the rich and take less from the poor so that the middle gets strong. He wants to fight the Abu Sayyaf terrorist group in the Philippines who recently took Canadian and Norwegian hostages; the last regime failed and let one of them die, while Duterte's people got a Filipino hostage out of there. He wants the children away from the streets because they are in danger, and trust me, the children really are in danger with the traffic over there. And they are looking into fixing the traffical problems like implementing a train system partly funded by China, and maybe implement carts in the air. There's a lot of good things this guy is doing, unfortunately, his bad stand on crimes are overshadowing and overweighting all the other things. But I'm just trying to explain how the Filipinos see it, and to explain why he is so popular among the people.
Cannot believe their is a defense force for this. No intentions or reasoning can justify calls for mass killing and if you condone, participate your doing evil. I am one of the most morally grey people I know but some things really are just right or wrong and this wrong.
As for all the "but he's great at these other things" justifications is the same as the old saw about Hitler having the trains running on time. No matter how much good you do in other areas some sins cannot be washed away regardless.
Guys garbage and let's just hope the public is good enough to not actually follow his suggestions.
As for all the "but he's great at these other things" justifications is the same as the old saw about Hitler having the trains running on time. No matter how much good you do in other areas some sins cannot be washed away regardless.
Guys garbage and let's just hope the public is good enough to not actually follow his suggestions.
Always-honest
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Sounds like a charming chap.
I feel sad for the normal people living there.
I feel sad for the normal people living there.
Ether_Snake
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Fool. Communists or drug dealers, it's an excuse to kill journalists and political opponents, or people who aren't liked in their communities due to their race or beliefs or sexual orientation. Doesn't matter what the Philippines are like. People will kill innocents and be protected because otherwise it would be spun as the police protecting a "criminal".
It is no different than a guy in India being killed by a mob over having supposedly eaten a cow.
I don't know what the point is here? Yes I agree with you?
Moff
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I don't defend him when it comes to the topic at hand though. I'm very much against him on that. I were probably his biggest hater during the election even.
Hahahahahha. How about no?
Moff
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some actions are undefensible.
fascism works like that, they seduce the people so they turn their heads away from the cruelty.
did you vote for him? you wrote you support him.
I appreciate your first hand input from a loval GAFFER, but this will not end well, history teaches us that he will leave your country in a much worse condition.
I didn't vote for him, because I'm not a Filipino citizen. I'm half-Filipino but don't live there. But if I could vote I had voted for Santiago Miriam. Duterte would never get my vote.
If he will leave it in a worse condition, time will tell. But the people cannot afford to be split and angry at each other, because they have been through their whole history. But I hope they will hold Duterte accountable for all his misdoings. The vice-president will surely take a stand against him, but it's not like she have much power when he didn't pick her for his government. If it had been Mar Roxas or Binay, sure it would turn to shit. He is trying to get the Filipino people to stand together and make them stronger, because they are very divided by region, by the Aquino Vs. Marcos, by the Marcos years etc. I appreciate that he wants the best for the people, but he is going about it in the wrong way. He even wants corrupt politicians out of jail and he let communists into the government, which is weird when he wants to end corruption lol.
I think you guys are lashing out at Madridista when he's just trying to explain the mentality.
On the flip Madrid you gotta stop saying, "Yeah, but he will (insert good thing here)" when he's got crazy soundbites as above. He's PROMISED many things and politicians have a tendency not to fulfill things they say on the stump.
Right now he's just a demagogue ...if he turns into a harsh but compassionate president or m Stalin Take 2, it remains to be seen. But these soundbites dont bode well for anybody in the country.
On the flip Madrid you gotta stop saying, "Yeah, but he will (insert good thing here)" when he's got crazy soundbites as above. He's PROMISED many things and politicians have a tendency not to fulfill things they say on the stump.
Right now he's just a demagogue ...if he turns into a harsh but compassionate president or m Stalin Take 2, it remains to be seen. But these soundbites dont bode well for anybody in the country.
Ravensmash
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This guy seems obsessed with killing people.
Obsessed.
Obsessed.
I agree. These soundbites are terrible, and I honestly don't think he will fulfill his promises. I also think the Filipino people will turn a blind eye to it. But part of the people are already ready to lash out at the president if he doesn't fulfill his promises. So we'll see what happens.
SomedayTheFire
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some very basic reading comprehension classes are needed for some posters in here
ZackieChan
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I know a girl who is all about this dude and was super excited for when he is sworn in. We'll see how this goes. Those are some interesting comments, I'll say that much.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I don't know why you guys keep trying to draw parallels to Trump. Trump is just a self-aggrandizing blowhard. Duterte is a vicious, violent and dangerous madman.
Don't drug users usually kill themselves off, especially heroin users? Then again, this isn't just about drug users, it's also about the drug sellers who are typically smart enough not to do drugs, but are screwing up society by taking advantage of the vulnerable.
Also, since when were people against this?
Is it because it ties into vigilantism and doesn't need the help of the taxpayers' law enforcement? But don't the same people who would rather have law enforcement handle these things also complain about law enforcement not doing their jobs correctly?
Also, since when were people against this?
Is it because it ties into vigilantism and doesn't need the help of the taxpayers' law enforcement? But don't the same people who would rather have law enforcement handle these things also complain about law enforcement not doing their jobs correctly?
King Gilga
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Killing druglords and non forced traffickers is one thing, killing addicts? That's fucked up.
Is this sarcasm or are we at this level already?
infinitys_7th
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I had never heard of this guy, so I did some research a while back. I thought he said that he, personally, would help addicts with treatment and getting back into productive society if they contacted him. When did that change?
Addicts should not be killed, absolutely not. Violent dealers and druglords I am more apathetic towards, especially when they have a country living in terrorized warzone.
Addicts should not be killed, absolutely not. Violent dealers and druglords I am more apathetic towards, especially when they have a country living in terrorized warzone.
Well, last night, lol.
water_wendi
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i guess the reasoning is that if there are no addicts who are the drug dealers going to sell to?
So then maybe this is the method to get things done for the Philippines? Just because this method won't work and/or isn't wanted in other societies, doesn't mean it's a bad measure for this society.
A particular mindset would say that the drug users/sellers should be educated/rehabilitated, but I'd say that the Philippines is so far gone that it wouldn't be effective (and in my opinion, isn't effective to begin with and is just a huge waste of taxpayers' dollars).
In my opinion, I would appreciate it if everyone actually responded with an elaborate explanation as to why this is wrong rather than having a drive-by post of something along the lines of "This is sickening," because it does get quite exasperating seeing the same old posts over and over. I'd rather see a discussion with valid points from both sides.
A good start to an actual argument is the whole "kill drug users/sellers" mindset could lead to other things politicians will point the finger at to turn away eyes on themselves.
EDIT: HStallion posted a good example of what I mean-
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=208851712#post208851712
infinitys_7th
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This was a couple weeks ago, and that particular comment was while he was still mayor of Davao.
hurricanes
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I don't essentially support dead penalty but I do firmly support harsh sentences for multi-offense drug dealers.
nephilimdj
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This guy is crazy but if the poor people are suffering I can see how they follow scapegoats like blaming addicts.
Corronchilejano
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You gotta cut that supply chain somewhere.
What an abhorrent human being this guy is.
Yeah because the War on Drugs is the best example of rehabilitating and educating drug addicts and drug dealers.
Whatever problem the Philippines may be going through, however harsh, arming citizens, telling them to "go and kill any addict you know" isn't any kind of solution.
Even if you thought any drug dealer and drug addict deserved death (which is an absurd belief, btw) how do you even make sure that people won't exploit this to their benefit, just to have an excuse to go out and kill whoever they want?
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