there is that dont trust dyed hair thing also
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#GamerGate thread 2: it's about feminism in games journalism
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there is that dont trust dyed hair thing also
That quote is from the youtube video linked up the page in the comments. I'd love to see him make the argument that you can't blame #GG because of guilt by association for a hashtag that literally started out based on lies and trying to smear a female indie developer, but you can give gators credit for a couple websites clarifying their guidelines, or that any of the latter makes the former worth it.
I mean not mentioning the fact that he whines about what he considers ethical breaches of others and then spends a great deal of time explaining how that doesn't apply to him.
Not to turn it into another derailment about TotalHypocrite again, but seeing him post 'My logical fallacy is better than yours, ha-ha.' is so annoying.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
When you think about it, anime and video games are almost one in the same in terms of the type of community they foster.
JumpJeff84
Member
Hadn't heard that, if true that's pretty gross.
I've never died my hair in my life and I still think that's the stupidest thing I've ever seen.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
Was this just posted?
Neoriceisgood
Member
For most of the people in this thread that's the point where most of us gave up the little respect we had left.
He's been verging on the border of shit during most of the GG issue, but that's probably the one time he really pushed it way too far.
its just a totally awesome joke about how hating literally whos is totally awesome.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Yup. I still kind of gave him the benefit of the doubt up to that point, but its all been a downhill slope from there
FrontalMonk
Banned
Yep. That was basically my watershed moment for not giving a single fuck about TB's opinion on anything.
JumpJeff84
Member
Just watched it. Wow, what a shithead that guy is.
I'm always reminded of the opening of the Star Wars Ep 3 text when I read something about "both sides"
Cause I always wondered what the hell Lucas was thinking when he wrote "There are heroes on both sides"
The two sides were The Republic and The Separatists. Not The Jedi and the Sith. There were, in fact, perfectly decent people who did not wish to be in The Republic anymore, despite the films' inability to demonstrate that.
Belladonna
Banned
The "Operation Volcano" one has a date of 12/20 in the screenshot I took; the "Call them antigamer, the filthy casual scum!" laugh riot one was dated 12/21. I don't have permission to post images (I think?) or I'd crop them and put them up for your enjoyment, particularly the Operation Volcano one which has more enjoyable silliness in addition to what I've already posted.
But stuff doesn't stay up on 8chan long, particularly if "outsiders" have taken note of it, so the threads might well be gone by now. That's why I took screenshots!
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
We don't have native image hosting, throw them up in imgur or something and post away
Belladonna
Banned
Okay, let's see if I can make this work. (You made me start an IMGUR folder, GG. I will never forgive you for that!)
Operation Volcano:
"Call Them Anti-Gamer!"
I swear this whole anti-gamer thing has been joked about before....
http://www.reddit.com/r/GamerGhazi/comments/2ow0m5/antigamergate_is_a_code_word_for_antigamer/
http://www.reddit.com/r/GamerGhazi/comments/2ow0m5/antigamergate_is_a_code_word_for_antigamer/
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
1. Your thinking of MundaneMatt who was one of the first YTubers to make a video on it. It escalated when his video got taken down. TB response when it all went down was just for everyone to drop it and move on.
2. I'll give you that comment. It's a problematic one not to take death threats seriously.
3. I'm pretty sure he was trying to preserve the "ethical" part of the label just like Boogie did but that turned into a failure. I don't see him switching back and forth at all now.
4. He's more willing to talk about issues now. Less whining and more of just wanting to have the conversation. I've watched a lot of his interviews with female devs and he seems like he's slowly getting it.
5. Let's be fair their are a lot of people with this stance. Twitter company itself is guilty of that.
This isn't meant to change your mind about him. IMO I feel like everyone was affected by all this GG confusion. I feel like he's trying to change. As faulty as it seems.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
Okay, let's see if I can make this work. (You made me start an IMGUR folder, GG. I will never forgive you for that!)
Operation Volcano:
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"Call Them Anti-Gamer!"
Hell, I'm sure many people have folders.
Belladonna
Banned
Well, like anyone else who has made a grievous error and accidentally (?) helped further a bad cause that did harm, the way for him to fix this, if he wants to, is to make a full and heartfelt Mea Culpa, explain why his thinking got messed up, offer to make amends to the victims (if there are any they want that he can provide), and speak out about his experiences to help try and educate any other genuinely well-meaning souls still somehow trapped in the stinking quagmire of GG so that they can get out before they do further harm to other people, and incidentally to themselves.
When he does that, I'll believe he's trying to change. He has a public pulpit, he can use it to start undoing the damage that's been done, if he's sincere about it.
Yes, he'll have to eat a lot of crow and yes GG will turn on him and savage him for it (probably), but that too would be a reasonable penance for him having helped push this garbage forward.
aspiegamer
Member
Even if there were some kind of mass product withdraw or censorship actually going on I still wouldn't exactly be terrified of these guys. This sounds pretty convoluted even by their standards. The only things even close to being legitimately worth worrying about from these guys are personal attacks and harassment, same as always.
They're going to have trouble posting hard proof of something that's not happening.
Lalalandia
Member
Hey Mr Btongue (of the interesting and looonng Bioware analysis) came out against GG, thank the lords as it turns out the other long winded Bioware analysis guy on YT I like is a GGer (smudboy)
Edit wow beaten by several pages, me read real good
Edit wow beaten by several pages, me read real good
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Oh good, I was apprehensive clicking on the link but it turns out this is the one I like
The guy was just hours ago commenting on a youtube video about people can't ignore that GamerGate has brought some positive changes, but that you can't prove any of the negative stuff was really linked to #GG, and that if you believe that you've bought into the narrative.
VibratingDonkey
Member
There's plenty of others saying immeasurably grosser shit than him, but the fact that he holds a significant amount of influence and has accrued credibility and respect, arguably makes him and his revisionism worse than any other gater.
call_kotaku
Member
Judging by TB's history and personality, it'll probably end with a "I'm sorry you were offended" apology and move on
Belladonna
Banned
I brought these posts up in the context of all these disingenuous posters that wander into this thread, claim to not be GG and not know anything about GG, but nevertheless want to argue GG's points (Anita Sarkeesian is a fraud, Brianna Wu is a liar, game reviews should be about mechanics and not "social stuff", etc., ad nauseum.) And then we just got that person coming in here saying "Why are non-gamers getting a say about games?? Doesn't that upset you???"
So I wanted to let them -- and others -- know that everyone can see their playbook, so we know what this is about. It doesn't mean they can't come in and genuinely argue GG's points if they can do it without breaking thread rules, but this "I'm not in GG and I don't like them but they have good points and don't you HATE censorship and non-gamers telling you your hobby is bad?!?" is just a waste of everyone's time and they should knock it off. It's juvenile and dishonest, and that's putting it mildly.
And that's the hallmark of the person who hasn't changed his mind and isn't actually sorry but just wants to evade any consequences for his bad behavior. So....yeah.
excelsiorlef
Member
TotalBiscuit being an arse again:
And oh look he's still repeating the ZQ got favorable coverage BS
And finally here he is outright denying GG harassed Jenn Frank, you know who was driven off Twitter for almost two months and basically harassed to unconscionable levels.
And oh look he's still repeating the ZQ got favorable coverage BS
And finally here he is outright denying GG harassed Jenn Frank, you know who was driven off Twitter for almost two months and basically harassed to unconscionable levels.
That second link. I am honestly on the verge of just unsubscribing at this point. I like his content, I really do, his look ats and sales boxes are good information, but it's seriously getting to the point where I'm strugglign to reconcile the content with the curator.
TB said:
Yes. Yes they can. It's called "being a part of a group". Just like how a group like Patreon would rather not host known hate groups on their service because it reflects poorly on them. Ignorance of what the hashtag means is not an excuse. Especially when a good portion of said group is populated by shitheads.
It doesn't even matter to them as GG constantly contests that they're a centralized group in any way, yet say "This person doesn't represent GG" as if they do have a centralized meaningful group.
Is he seriously denying that GG is in any way even remotely related to women at this point? Like, I can almost understand debating the severity of it towards women, at least then it's acknoledging that shit's been shitty, but at this point it looks like he's basically denying that women have been affected at all over the past couple of months due to this weird form of "tough love" he's giving out.
aspiegamer
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I understand! Certainly not complaining about it being posted. In weeks and months past I've put up a lot of similar stuff. Having followed this for this long now it's just sad to see every new "operation" get progressively more desperate and grandiose. The bubble does have to pop eventually and I'm not sure I want to know what it's going to loo like if we're already at levels of "go canvass absolutely everywhere and lie continuously".
Neoriceisgood
Member
1. I can't seem to find what I had in mind, but I could swear he had an angry video rambling about Zoe Quinn.
I'm not subscribed to MundaneMatt so there's no reason I would've had his video show up in my subscriptions afaik.
I could be wrong though, But I distinctly remember hearing TB's angry voice talking about Zoe & actually finding out about it due to that. (Maybe my memory is failing me.)
2. oks.
3. It's more the fact that for a long ass time he described himself as neutral in the debate, then suddenly turned outspoken pro-Gamergate to use himself as an example of a GGer actually talking about ethics.
I think the exact moment he did the switch was so "GG" could somehow be credited for the Shadow of Mordor thing that he came out with. It just came across as dishonest and petty.
4. "open to discussion" looks to me like jumping in and talking about how awful Anita is on any video related to her. /:
I think many people in this thread have, at some point in the last 3 months had a "oh TB is evolving" moment. Just to have him go full GG the next day. After this much time I honestly don't feel like giving him credit for being open to changing his mind.
5. Well the issue is that he was telling people to shut up about harassment from GG, until a GG guy harassed him and suddenly it was okay to loudly spread that harassment around.
He's ridiculously hypocritical.
TotalBiscuit being an arse again:
And oh look he's still repeating the ZQ got favorable coverage BS
And finally here he is outright denying GG harassed Jenn Frank, you know who was driven off Twitter for almost two months and basically harassed to unconscionable levels.
Yeah my point exactly about his "evolving position". He's literally saying the exact same stuff he was saying at the start of this all, even the Quinnspiracy nonsense.
That's what bothers me about him, he's far from the worst but he has influence. You see that top hat all over Steam these days and its irritating. Can Enhanced Steam add a TB blocker so I don't have to see him anymore.. oh wait that would be CENSORSHIP!!! even though I'm never reading what he says anyway
I used to watch his vids and his podcast and while I can't say I ever liked him that much personality wise as he always seemed like one of those who took the PC master race thing seriously and not as the joke it was intended as. But I watched anyway as his vids were informative and he had good guests on his podcast occasionally but his comments lately mean I can't support him in any form.
Lalalandia
Member
My problem with TB is that it seems like he has subsumed GG into his personal ego and can't let go and thus we get the ugly minimising comments over and over again. It doesn't help that when he goes to far he tries to walk it back with non-apologies that are more 'woe is me I'm being picked on' than Mea Culpa.
The major part that frustrates me though is the 'preserve the ethical angle' bit, there never was anything to preserve. Ethics was a fig leaf strapped to the rampaging hate mob so they could pretend to be decent in public, it's always been the emperor's new clothes and not even GGers bother trying to defend it any more (still awaiting that reply TheTwelve).
It just seems that TB can't deal with having gotten fooled into this as his first twitlonger was a rant against ZQ over unproven allegations she had DMCA'd a Mundane Matt '5 guys' video. Apart from failing to do basic research on whether it was ZQ or not, he chose to conflate 'dev abuses DMCA to silence criticism' with 'harassment victim abuses DMCA to silence lies/abuse'. Neither is right but the latter is at least understandable (to be clear there has never been any proof that ZQ issued that DMCA against MundaneMatt).
Thanks excelsioref for proving that he is still an utter prick, he really hasn't pulled in his horns on this at all
not_so_special
Banned
who hates tb? some people on gaf? the man is popular as ever..even won the VGA awards
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
I feel like we had some good solid weeks without any "TB sez" . What happened?
Anyway, since we're at it:
That's not how it works mate.
Anyway, since we're at it:
Yeah, uh-hu about that.
That's not how it works mate.
Lalalandia
Member
I do, popular != right. That he got a Keighley was the one truly disgraceful thing about that evening. What next a Keighley for Aurini in the 'Trending
Edit Actually stumpsock says it better below, he just really frustrates me with his BS
A Link to the Past
Banned
Sometimes, the shittiest of trash-people are the most popular
NoblesseOblige
Banned
I'm shocked people still fail to see TB as anything other than the self-serving opportunist that he is. This is a guy who continues to lend his support to a group founded on hatred towards women in video games simply because he knows they make up a large part of his viewership.
stump sock
Member
I don't hate him, I just think he's a complete moron.
Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
That still disgusts me. It was a vote in win, but the industry recognizing him in any positive light after his driving of GG shows how fucked things really are.
Look at the gem I found:
TotalBiscuit said:
Is this a true delirium, or just a lame attempt to rewrite history in order to advance a fake point?
Neoriceisgood
Member
You made me rewatch this. Honestly up there with the Folding Ideas video as the ultimate GG-counter video.
The fucking skull.
aspiegamer
Member
There's not a single word of that that's factually accurate. As in zero. At this point he's either convinced himself that whatever he says is absolute truth or he just doesn't care. Or perhaps both.
I know how stupid and short-sighted this sounds given the contention behind it, but this is why people worry about junk like the Wikipedia article. It's so when people google "gamergate" after reading some ignorant tweet they get to the proper destination that has a summary of what actually happened. To reflect reality. Not to #GGs own private little wiki they had to make because reality was too cruel to let them speak anywhere else.
Ironic that he bring up Hanlon's Razor...
That TB is still revered on KiA should tell the story. He has always come off as someone trying to make a buck off of this, and his "neutral" stance isn't very neutral.
TB's gave his most succinct explanation of his views on GG in the Giant Bomb forum, of all places:
http://www.giantbomb.com/jeff-gerstmann/3040-89712/forums/vote-jeff-gerstmann-for-trending-gamer-at-the-game-1499977/?page=6#js-message-7685550
TB's gave his most succinct explanation of his views on GG in the Giant Bomb forum, of all places:
http://www.giantbomb.com/jeff-gerstmann/3040-89712/forums/vote-jeff-gerstmann-for-trending-gamer-at-the-game-1499977/?page=6#js-message-7685550
More_Badass
Member
Jesus Christ, what the fuck did I just read? It still absolutely floors me that people can think this way, and I still want to tell myself that comments like this can't possibly be serious.
That's what bothers me about him, he's far from the worst but he has influence. You see that top hat all over Steam these days and its irritating. Can Enhanced Steam add a TB blocker so I don't have to see him anymore.. oh wait that would be CENSORSHIP!!! even though I'm never reading what he says anyway
I used to watch his vids and his podcast and while I can't say I ever liked him that much personality wise as he always seemed like one of those who took the PC master race thing seriously and not as the joke it was intended as. But I watched anyway as his vids were informative and he had good guests on his podcast occasionally but his comments lately mean I can't support him in any form.
This is where I'm at on him too. I actually really enjoyed Co-Optional Podcast, but when I read his opening salvo of GG supporting comments, I didn't have to even think about it. I just went to YouTube and unsubbed all his shit. I know I'm a meaningless drop in the bucket. I know he'll make his living anyway.
But he's not going to make it off me.
I love the replies he got :
Seriously the way I see from here he's an egodriven who's only in this for himself.
Nobody with a 155IQ would be ego driven, be serious.
That's what bothers me about him, he's far from the worst but he has influence. You see that top hat all over Steam these days and its irritating. Can Enhanced Steam add a TB blocker so I don't have to see him anymore.. oh wait that would be CENSORSHIP!!! even though I'm never reading what he says anyway
I used to watch his vids and his podcast and while I can't say I ever liked him that much personality wise as he always seemed like one of those who took the PC master race thing seriously and not as the joke it was intended as. But I watched anyway as his vids were informative and he had good guests on his podcast occasionally but his comments lately mean I can't support him in any form.
"Here is why gaming on my PC is an unqualifiably better experience, because everyone has access to sli Titans, right!?" - totalbiscuit
I can never get over it, most recently complaining blazblue on pc was too pixely. As though the concept of sprite art is completely over his head.
Beelzebufo
Banned
I can't stand him. He spends all of his time saying how well informed he is, while also showing how ignorant he is. He's also full of
himself, jumping in to give his official two cents on stuff nobody asked for his opinion on. He's also everywhere, so I can't ignore him. If he's as popular as ever, I think a lot of oeople need to see what kind of stuff he believes in.
Basically, he's your stereotypical neckbeard gamer, but uh British.
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