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Juliet's 8½ Spirits · Mar 5, 2014

plasmawave said:
So you're saying she's lying.

Thats what any intelligent person would be doing after leaving a company and looking for future employment while an entire industry has the spotlight pointed them.
That /v/ post alone doesn't prove anything and its probably bullshit, but couple that along with the ign "forced out by Druckmann and Straley" and it becomes a bit more difficult to just ignore.
Especially with the timing of the /v/ post and her departure.

StuBurns · Mar 5, 2014

RoboPlato said:
They did say they were trying to decide between a new IP and TLoU2 for their next game. Maybe both of those projects got greenlighted and the one that she pitched didn't.

I also don't see why they would be called in to help a troubled project when Sony's statement said the development timetable for the game has not changed.

Maybe this is why it hasn't changed.

Even if her next game got rejected, UC4 isn't finished, I'd think she'd leave after it was if that were the case.

plasmawave · Mar 5, 2014

EmptySpace said:
i didn't know walking dead is considered amazing writing.

Don't know about the Walking Dead but TLOU is.

alr1ght · Mar 5, 2014

graywolf323 said:
but does anyone follow him and can see what he asked her? otherwise you're just assuming

He protected his account for some reason. It was not when he tweeted her. He linked to this: http://boards.4chan.org/v/res/234322347#p234322607

saw it myself

monocle_wearing_hyrax · Mar 5, 2014

ukas said:
Considering the writing in The Last of Us is miles ahead of anything in the Uncharted 1/2/3, I think they'll be just fine. Like I said a few pages ago the last great thing Hennig wrote was the Reaver series.

Completely different games. Uncharted had great dialogue that fit what the game was trying to achieve. You cant really compare the two.

quest · Mar 5, 2014

EmptySpace said:
i didn't know walking dead is considered amazing writing.

The first season was amazing writing. That is how a click and point game wins multiple game of the awards.

EmptySpace · Mar 5, 2014

plasmawave said:
Don't know about the Walking Dead but TLOU is.

tlou is like an episode of walking dead. soap opera with zombies.

plasmawave · Mar 5, 2014

Juliet's 8½ Spirits;103265321 said:
Thats what any intelligent person would be doing after leaving a company and looking for future employment while an entire industry has the spotlight pointed them.
That /v/ post alone doesn't prove anything and its probably bullshit, but couple that along with the ign "forced out by Druckmann and Straley" and it becomes a bit more difficult to just ignore.
Especially with the timing of the /v/ post and her departure.

Right...
Straight from the horse's mouth and you still don't believe her.
She's no longer with ND, why would she have to lie now?

graywolf323 · Mar 5, 2014

alr1ght said:
He protected his account for some reason. It was not when he tweeted her. He linked to this: http://boards.4chan.org/v/res/234322347#p234322607

saw it myself

ah okay, thanks for clarifying

didn't realize his account wasn't previously protected since it was already not long after she replied to him

maxiell · Mar 5, 2014

IGN has a writer on staff who wrote the definitive history of Naughty Dog and visits the studio regularly, I'm pretty sure they have good sources on this.

EmptySpace · Mar 5, 2014

maxiell said:
IGN has a writer on staff who wrote the definitive history of Naughty Dog and visits the studio regularly, I'm pretty sure they have good sources on this.

while ign is ign, they wouldn't drop bombs on specific individuals and name them without enough good reason to back it up.

Mondy · Mar 5, 2014

EmptySpace said:
while ign is ign, they wouldn't drop bombs on specific individuals and name them without enough good reason to back it up.

I never understood this junk. IGN have good staff on their team who cover games really well.

Vizzeh · Mar 5, 2014

maxiell said:
IGN has a writer on staff who wrote the definitive history of Naughty Dog and visits the studio regularly, I'm pretty sure they have good sources on this.

The fact that it was not Colin Moriarty that wrote it, gives the article less weight imo. Atleast the speculative part.

Linkenski · Mar 5, 2014

Mondy said:
I never understood this junk. IGN have good staff on their team who cover games really well.

The whole "You can't spell "ignorant" without" thing is a hivemind mentality. A lot of people have the misconception that IGN only praises the "popular" games.

TylerDurden4321 · Mar 5, 2014

Pryce said:
This is one time when Metacritic scores shouldn't be taken seriously.

Outside of personal preference, there's no argument for Uncharted to be a better written games than TLOU.

Yes there IS. Because Uncharted 2's lines were so clearly written for the voice-actors who delivered them, it was perfect synergy. I'm not saying that the PLOT of the Uncharted games is better than plot of The Last of Us, but to imagine a tone, to imagine the places, the action and get all of that fit perfectly in your imagination, make voices come to live and then... THEN have team of 100+ people make your vision come to life, direct them there with having a sensitivity for when to let new ideas from co-workers into your vision and when not... honestly I think that's harder than making the Last of Us.

There are a lot of good movies about the WWII some with action, some that make you cry, some that give you hope, but to invent indiana jones and star wars. What would YOU rather have to do, write and creative-direct the next indiana jones or write a good war movie set in Berlin 1945?

(Also: someone should do that, write a WWII FPS that is DEEP. With hard choices, and desperate moments not just for your fellow soldiers but also for the civilians.... where war is not video-game fun, with good mechanics but the game still isn't "fun" to play)

eighty(one) · Mar 5, 2014

Juan29.zapata said:
For reference:

One character from a certain series left the show by the actor/actress wish. He/she was still sad for leaving.

Of course she's sad, most, if not all, the guys over there are pretty much family for her.

This whole thing is starting to resemble Matt Lauer forcing Ann Curry from Today

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertai...ubbed-operation-bambi-execs-article-1.1320479

I hope she wasn't in the: "Either she goes or we do" type of bind

Jonboy · Mar 5, 2014

Impeccable said:
Very disturbing? lol

Depends on how you interpret it (which is part of the reason they need to clarify), but yeah I would personally find it pretty disturbing if those two were able to force her out. If it's creative differences...fine. But it's a shame they couldn't work out whatever was going on given their history together.

dragonbane · Mar 5, 2014

EmptySpace said:
i didn't know walking dead is considered amazing writing.

The Walking Dead game and TLoU are two of the best written games ever. They shame almost everything else. You probably don't visit many Bioshock and QD threads, because this sentiment is quite well represented in those.

DagnastyEp · Mar 5, 2014

maxiell said:
IGN has a writer on staff who wrote the definitive history of Naughty Dog and visits the studio regularly, I'm pretty sure they have good sources on this.

They also just had (2 weeks ago or so) Druckman in studio for the recording of the Last of Us Left Behind spoilercast.

Juliet's 8½ Spirits · Mar 5, 2014

plasmawave said:
Right...
Straight from the horse's mouth and you still don't believe her.
She's no longer with ND, why would she have to lie now?

You don't talk shit about a company you have just recently left, it hurts your chances of being employed in the future.

Manu · Mar 5, 2014

EmptySpace said:
i didn't know walking dead is considered amazing writing.

Huh. Let's rewind a bit.

EmptySpace said:
what a bummer. i am playing tlou right now and so far i haven't seen all the amazing writing everyone's been talking about.

EmptySpace said:
tlou is nowhere near as compelling as the road. it played more like a season of walking dead.

EmptySpace said:
or without the walking dead tv show because let's face it, tlou was made for that audience, not for the audience of the road.

In regards to a post about Hennig's leave being a big loss for Uncharted fans:

EmptySpace said:
but dude the grittiness, visceral, hope, journey, despair, make the players feel the feels, no?

EmptySpace said:
and then uc5 will be about the emotional journey, the connection, the feeling of desperation and survival blah blah blah.

EmptySpace said:
oh i'm sorry i forgot we can only shit on amy in this thread and the others are untouchable.

Dude. Stop.

EL CUCO · Mar 5, 2014

Vizzeh said:
The fact that it was not Colin Moriarty that wrote it, gives the article less weight imo. Atleast the speculative part.

Agreed. Mitch D is a turd and had plenty of nice things to say about GAF a couple weeks back, but that's OT. The way that this was reported was low class if you ask me.

If Colin would've wrote it, I'd be less inclined to be critical of the "source". But no less disappointed of the tactic being used for clicks. The fact that Mr. mitch has been spamming the article on twitter with no update makes it repulsive.

viveks86 · Mar 5, 2014

teiresias said:
Druckmann looks like Dr. Bashir from DS9 - pretty much confirming he's a douche.

And there goes my last vestige of respect for you. Feel free to entertain yourself. You will not hear from me again.

cameron · Mar 5, 2014

peterb0y said:
Well presumably they have anonymous sources. This happens all the time in reporting, what's the good in just waiting for the official statement

The main story here is Amy leaving the studio. Reasons for leaving from a source (unless the source was Amy or a senior staff; either would know better than to leak info) would be nothing more than gossip based on partial information of internal studio politics. It's quite lame to drop names in a situation like this when you can't verify it. Citing "creative differences" is a typical response that works well, and would've worked here.

Basch · Mar 5, 2014

I will follow her wherever she goes. Amazing writer!

That said, I hope Naughty Dog can acquire some more writing talent, because she was a big reason I actually cared about their latest games.

RoboPlato · Mar 5, 2014

StuBurns said:
Maybe this is why it hasn't changed.

Even if her next game got rejected, UC4 isn't finished, I'd think she'd leave after it was if that were the case.

I don't know, I just don't want to villify anyone without facts. Dyer is also one of the IGN writers with the least credibility so I don't want to give too much credit to his choice of words until we get more info.

omonimo · Mar 5, 2014

Damn, I can't imagine a ND games without her script. Sound awful.

Alucrid · Mar 5, 2014

viveks86 said:
And there goes my last vestige of respect for you. Feel free to entertain yourself. You will not hear from me again.

I'm surprised anyone had any left.

dragonbane · Mar 5, 2014

viveks86 said:
And there goes my last vestige of respect for you. Feel free to entertain yourself. You will not hear from me again.

Eh come on dude. Everyone with a huge beard is also a confirmed douche. Not really news here either

Pennywise · Mar 5, 2014

Juliet's 8½ Spirits;103267301 said:
You don't talk shit about a company you have just recently left, it hurts your chances of being employed in the future.

Have you even read the claim on 4chan ?
Like she would say so much bullshit...

There might have been tension between Amy and Druckmann, but that criticism on 4chan is just pure bullshit.

The status quo with the anonymous source is bad enough, but involving stupid 4chan bullshit is taking the spin to a whole new level.

monocle_wearing_hyrax · Mar 5, 2014

Again, its weird how everyone thinks that Amy Henning was a writer and nothing else when she was creative director of all 3 main Uncharted games.

Kiant · Mar 5, 2014

EL CUCO said:
Agreed. Mitch D is a turd and had plenty of nice things to say about GAF a couple weeks back, but that's OT. The way that this was reported was low class if you ask me.

If Colin would've wrote it, I'd be less inclined to be critical of the "source". But no less disappointed of the tactic being used for clicks. The fact that Mr. mitch has been spamming the article on twitter with no update makes it repulsive.

Ah Mitch D, this is the guy who said that unless your TV is 50 inches + you can't tell the difference between 720p and 1080p.

Seems there's some shakeups going on at the studios lately, hopefully it results in a positive and not a negative, fresh ideas and all that.

ViciousDS · Mar 5, 2014

Manu said:
Huh. Let's rewind a bit.

In regards to a post about Hennig's leave being a big loss for Uncharted fans:

Dude. Stop.

Really he should, it's just becoming redundant and troll material.

GalacticMouse · Mar 5, 2014

Vizzeh said:
The fact that it was not Colin Moriarty that wrote it, gives the article less weight imo. Atleast the speculative part.

I'm not sure if the fact that Colin's name isn't on the top of the article takes any weight away from it for me. The IGN website seems to have a pretty great relationship with Naughty Dog overall. Druckmann and Straley have been at the site numerous times for interviews for TLoU. I've seen plenty of on-site interviews with Nolan North (Drake), Troy Baker (Joel), and Ashley Johnson (Ellie) at this point as well. There are also a number of "media-facing" people at the company such as PR, Marketing, Community Managers, etc. That's a pretty big number of potential sources right there and it doesn't even account for personal relationships between Naughty Dog employees and IGN employees.

Any validity concerns I have regarding the information trace back to who the source of the info leak is and what his or her relationship with Hennig is/was. The IGN article has the words forced out in quotations, implying that their source used that term verbatim. Unfortunately, what "forced out" looks like to one person could be completely different from what another person would view as "forced out," especially when personal relationships and point of view are taken into account.

Linkenski said:
The whole "You can't spell "ignorant" without" thing is a hivemind mentality. A lot of people have the misconception that IGN only praises the "popular" games.

The idea that any website has it's own singular identity or agenda is usually a hivemind mentality as well. There are a lot of different people, personalities, and tastes at big sites like IGN and any one game would probably elicit a completely different review from each individual writer.

Guymelef · Mar 5, 2014

omonimo said:
Damn, I can't imagine a ND games without her script. Sound awful.

Capella · Mar 5, 2014

EL CUCO said:
Agreed. Mitch D is a turd and had plenty of nice things to say about GAF a couple weeks back, but that's OT. The way that this was reported was low class if you ask me.

If Colin would've wrote it, I'd be less inclined to be critical of the "source". But no less disappointed of the tactic being used for clicks. The fact that Mr. mitch has been spamming the article on twitter with no update makes it repulsive.

I don't really feel one way or the other about Mitch but I noticed him spamming it too. I don't know if he's trying to get a response that way or what but it kind of comes off as trying to get more clicks, especially since he wrote it.

daxter01 · Mar 5, 2014

Considering we haven't seen Arne shutting down forced out rumor here I think its true

monocle_wearing_hyrax · Mar 5, 2014

omonimo said:
Damn, I can't imagine a ND games without her script. Sound awful.

Well its more Uncharted than anything else. It seems that all of her focus was on that series while she was there.

Psykoboy2 · Mar 5, 2014

Usually when someone is let go from a position they aren't allowed to talk about it, and I imagine that is the case here.

The best you can likely hope for is a press statement from Sony or Naughty Dog on the issue, and even then I doubt that will quell anyone's mind from wondering what really happened.

StuBurns · Mar 5, 2014

RoboPlato said:
I don't know, I just don't want to villify anyone without facts. Dyer is also one of the IGN writers with the least credibility so I don't want to give too much credit to his choice of words until we get more info.

Indeed, I'm not saying it is true, at the very worst, I don't believe there was any malicious intent, I don't believe they demanded she go, I imagine for whatever reason she felt ostracized or slighted due to some critical decision.

Blobbers · Mar 5, 2014

Don't know if it's been posted here, but it's fun to speculate.

True or not, I'd agree completely that TLoU DLC was shameless pandering and did not have to be made, and even if it did, the direction they took it, especially at the end was so bloody unneeded.

Don't get me wrong, I love Naughty Dog, but this DLC left a bad feeling in my mouth, because even though it had amazing atmosphere and cool gunplay, the obvious pandering just killed it for me.

Also, if true, Neil Druckman can go

suck an eggg

Cow Goes Moo · Mar 5, 2014

Makes me think this will be the last uncharted

dragonbane · Mar 5, 2014

Blobbers said:
Don't know if it's been posted here, but it's fun to speculate.

True or not, I'd agree completely that TLoU DLC was shameless pandering and did not have to be made, and even if it did, the direction they took it, especially at the end was so bloody unneeded.

Don't get me wrong, I love Naughty Dog, but this DLC left a bad feeling in my mouth, because even though it had amazing atmosphere and cool gunplay, the obvious pandering just killed it for me.

Also, if true, Neil Druckman can go

suck an eggg

She shut this down already. So probably not true. The timing is funny though.

Impeccable · Mar 5, 2014

I think it is safe to say at this point that Naughty Dog will never recover from this and will be making PSN games only within months. Between this and Santa Monica lay offs Sony is already struggling to keep exclusive games. They already have little to no games and it genuinely raises concerns to me that we will never see great exclusives on the Playstation 4.

RIP Sony, Nov. 2013 - March 2014.

omonimo · Mar 5, 2014

monocle_wearing_hyrax said:
Well its more Uncharted than anything else. It seems that all of her focus was on that series while she was there.

Isn't it TLoU write to her?

RoboPlato · Mar 5, 2014

StuBurns said:
Indeed, I'm not saying it is true, at the very worst, I don't believe there was any malicious intent, I don't believe they demanded she go, I imagine for whatever reason she felt ostracized or slighted due to some critical decision.

I agree. It's probably a sad situation for her but probably a more complex issue than the article makes it sound.

Alucrid · Mar 5, 2014

Impeccable said:
I think it is safe to say at this point that Naughty Dog will never recover from this and will be making
PSN games only within months. Between this and Santa Monica lay offs Sony is already struggling to keep exclusive games. They already have little to no games and it genuinely raises concerns to me that we will never see great exclusives on the Playstation 4.

RIP Sony, Nov. 2013 - March 2014.

There's always Team Ico.

jayu26 · Mar 5, 2014

Impeccable said:
I think it is safe to say at this point that Naughty Dog will never recover from this and will be making
PSN games only within months. Between this and Santa Monica lay offs Sony is already struggling to keep exclusive games. They already have little to no games and it genuinely raises concerns to me that we will never see great exclusives on the Playstation 4.

RIP Sony, Nov. 2013 - March 2014.

8/10. Not as funny as I thought it would be...

GalacticMouse · Mar 5, 2014

Impeccable said:
I think it is safe to say at this point that Naughty Dog will never recover from this and will be making PSN games only within months. Between this and Santa Monica lay offs Sony is already struggling to keep exclusive games. They already have little to no games and it genuinely raises concerns to me that we will never see great exclusives on the Playstation 4.

RIP Sony, Nov. 2013 - March 2014.

AAA-tier post.

EmptySpace · Mar 5, 2014

StuBurns said:
Indeed, I'm not saying it is true, at the very worst, I don't believe there was any malicious intent, I don't believe they demanded she go, I imagine for whatever reason she felt ostracized or slighted due to some critical decision.

tlou dudes probably wanted it to be less uncharted and more serious or would take up themes that shouldn't be in an uncharted game.

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