why? Because he used a couple of gifs?
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PS4K information (~2x GPU power w/ clock+, new CPU, price, tent. Q1 2017)
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why? Because he used a couple of gifs?
Netherscourge
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Now what we need is Microsoft to announce a Prototype Intel Cannonlake i7 CPU & Prototype Nvidia Pascal GPU for it's Xbox OnePointFive console and Neogaf might go offline for a week while they order new servers.
Toward this and other notes, I feel the final form and implementation of the products model closely to what their competitors end up doing even if they have 10 year out product R&D in a wide range of ideas.
I'm sure they probably had something that was a smartphone years before the iPhone was unveiled, but I don't think that would make their modern devices not built in its image.
PlatypusDude
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Part of me wonders if this is Sony pushing 4K blu-ray in the way they pushed DVD with the PS2 and regular blu-ray with the PS3 as well, the PS4 was the first Sony console since the PS1 that wasn't partly designed to push a new optical video medium.
I'm kind of annoyed that we seem to be moving away from console development targeting specific hardware and taking advantage of it over a longer lifecycle. I mean, what's the point in any of these consoles being anything but glorified PC mITX builds at this point when it seems rather than have devs pull more power out of a fixed platform we instead are going to just upgrade said platform incrementally?
I'm really hoping, at least from Sony anyway, this is just a glorified stopgap this gen due to the increasing market of 4K TVs and 4K Blu-Rays. I doubt it though. Feels like this whole plan makes the time and effort Cerny put into the design kind of thankless when you really just need a standard PC build that you upgrade every couple of years.
I'm really hoping, at least from Sony anyway, this is just a glorified stopgap this gen due to the increasing market of 4K TVs and 4K Blu-Rays. I doubt it though. Feels like this whole plan makes the time and effort Cerny put into the design kind of thankless when you really just need a standard PC build that you upgrade every couple of years.
Hoho for breakfast
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I don't understand why they don't just call it PS5. The best thing about it would be that all "PS5" games would also be compatible with the PS4. I guess they don't feel like it'll be big enough of a jump from PS4?
Gigantic price-drops would be preferable.
Good luck getting Bungie to do that.
AltissimaRatio
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did you read what he actually has postet?? No native 4k Games but upscaled to 4k...
2X the power is pretty interesting. The PS4 GPU is 1.84TF and the stock 7970 is 3.79TF. I'm assuming that since it's the same generation AMD card that it wouldn't break compatibility in any way. I'm expecting a modified 14nm 7970 based APU instead of the modified 7870 APU in the current PS4.
So all the people who think this will leave the original PS4 with bad ports...don't you think that's going to happen anyways? PCs aren't stopping for anyone (especially consoles), and Microsoft seems to be moving in the same direction. Do you guys really think developers will say "Well, let's make our game run at 1080p30fps on PS4, then see how we can flex our muscles on the stronger hardware."
Of course they won't. Developers are already working with things like real time GI and tessellation on PCs. Do you guys really want to wait another 2-3 years before we start seeing that stuff on consoles too? Do you guys think that if the PS4k doesn't exist, we won't continue to see poorly performing multiplatform titles (Witcher 3, Fallout 4, Just Cause 3, etc)? It's not going to get better (coding to the metal!), it's only going to get worse.
And the myth that these consoles still have a lot of headroom needs to be dispelled. This isn't like the older consoles when each had unique hardware that took time to extract the most out of. The shaders on the PS4 are for all intents and purposes, the same as the ones in the Xbox One, and the same as the ones in an R280. Programming techniques across platforms are largely going to be the same. HSA might enable some neat things, but isn't going to help a 1.84 TF GPU compare with significantly more powerful PC GPUs.
I'm all for more powerful consoles in shorter cycles. Maybe not every year, but every 2-3? Sounds good to me.
Of course they won't. Developers are already working with things like real time GI and tessellation on PCs. Do you guys really want to wait another 2-3 years before we start seeing that stuff on consoles too? Do you guys think that if the PS4k doesn't exist, we won't continue to see poorly performing multiplatform titles (Witcher 3, Fallout 4, Just Cause 3, etc)? It's not going to get better (coding to the metal!), it's only going to get worse.
And the myth that these consoles still have a lot of headroom needs to be dispelled. This isn't like the older consoles when each had unique hardware that took time to extract the most out of. The shaders on the PS4 are for all intents and purposes, the same as the ones in the Xbox One, and the same as the ones in an R280. Programming techniques across platforms are largely going to be the same. HSA might enable some neat things, but isn't going to help a 1.84 TF GPU compare with significantly more powerful PC GPUs.
I'm all for more powerful consoles in shorter cycles. Maybe not every year, but every 2-3? Sounds good to me.
If there is a GameStop meeting now, what sense would that make to release it next year?
Obliterator
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If they are giving out dev kits, talking about it at GDC, and holding retail / sales meetings its a lock for E3
draughn101
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Spencer seems to make it clear this is what's coming and their plan seems great. Check out the build conference today. Mod support, mouse and keyboard, etc
Neuromancer
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Yes in every single thread. It was annoying as hell.
NullPointer
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I play Killzone and DriveClub and Infamous and Battlefield and a host of other games on the PS4 and the last thing I'm thinking is "man, this console sure is underpowered".
Its not even a hint of a whisper of a thought when watching that Uncharted 4 footage.
Long gens let devs settle in and optimize their processes, and this leads to amazing games, years beyond the point where people speak of "maxing out the hardware".
it launched in the EU like a week or 2 later than the US.
Ok now that the PS4k is basically confirmed, I do feel like this has the potential to anger customers more than the sales from that device are actually worth. The public image of the console stands or falls with delicate details like how PS4K optimized games will run on the original hardware. The worst thing which could happen is a gimped PS4 version of certain games.
I also wonder how this affects devs? In theory they're developing a PC-ish game with different settings. Then again the difference could be something like stable/unstable frame rate, better shadows, draw distance, higher res etc.
I also wonder how this affects devs? In theory they're developing a PC-ish game with different settings. Then again the difference could be something like stable/unstable frame rate, better shadows, draw distance, higher res etc.
Robot Pants
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Yup Day 1
couple? every post from him was a gif, or two... also just to mess with people.
ChaoticBlue
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Those gifs are adding nothing to the conversation and the user does it with very post.
5k resolution at 60 fps + virtual reality.
Those are now 40 million owners of last gen. Get with the new gen. Time to move on.
=)
I have a PS4. It was free. Thankfully. I sell this shit for a living. It's going to suck. Personally, I will just stay in PC-ville. I had PSVR preordered but will probably cancel (unless that's a freebie too). I'll look into PCVR options. I'll check out what Nintendo has in store. Maybe they can keep it simple (that said, they have reason to abandon Wii U...but that stings too. People remember.) That's all I want out of consoles. Simple. Hell, my PC is super simple.
I'm not going to knock people who want this and will buy into it, I'm just going to say that this isn't going to go over as smoothly as people think it will. I feel it muddys the water in an industry that doesn't need any more mud.
Again... Hyrule Warriors Legends vs. Hyrule Warriors Legends New 3DS. Except this time, imagine it on the console level.
RealityCheque
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What's the odds they put the same shitty WiFi radio in it again?
If the games just scale like PC I guess that's ok, except the settings will be limited to PS4/PS4k. Oh, and you actually can't choose.
im pretty sure you'll get the same experience on ps4 as you do now. Its just people will get better experiences on the new ps4k. And if that bothers you then pc gaming must bother you right now knowing people are playing games the same games as you but in 4k 60fps
The bolded is exactly why people are upset. The odds of it just upgrading the visuals for new games, and assuming that the ps4.0 will continue running games as if it is the only box devs will optimize for strikes me as fantasy.
I hope I'm wrong, or I hope at least Sony communicates this clearly and has some upgrade program.
The Lone Courier
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Resistance 4K
Simply Sami
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The PS4 came out two weeks later in Europe.
mckmas8808
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How will this help with VR? It doesn't change the fact that the VR's screen resolution will still be the same.
Dreathlock
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Will buy only if ALL games will be minimum 1080p/60fps.
CosmicQueso
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While considered poor form, I do not believe any such legislation exists, in law, to cover this area.
https://youtu.be/SorQB4tzqf0
PlatypusDude
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A 2x jump in power of the GPU and what is likely a similar CPU upgrade is incredibly minor compared to jumps between generations tech.
Well as an insider you would risk your job if you comment on rumors, that includes a 'Yes' or 'No'.
lmao it's true, I was thinking about japan.... sorry.