IrishNinja
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i totally do, and ill see everything else, but not the flasks/vials. it's weird.
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i totally do, and ill see everything else, but not the flasks/vials. it's weird.
Spiritwalker
Member
Those storage changes are a godsend. I wonder if they'll buff my kawaii Blades of Mercy too? Not that they really need it or anything.. but it would be neat.
Funnily enough, it already surpassed the legs of Dark Souls 2. Which shows that a game needs more than just bloat to have legs.
That's not a playstyle, that's game design, you couldn't play fast & aggressive in Dark Souls either.
Were you expecting wearing heavy armor & metal shields in Bloodborne's setting? Conversely, you couldn't have the mobility found in Bloodborne in Dark Souls.
There is magic in this game, fortunately it's not overpowered enough to turn all the bosses into absolute jokes.
Haven't tried a Bloodtinge build with the Evelyn, have you? Of course you won't be able to sit in a corner & spam L2, that's not called a ranged build, that's called cheese. Regardless, Evelyn is extremely powerful for Bloodtinge builds.
So resource management is a step down from unlimited resources. & do you really want to compare the world design of Bloodborne to the second half of Dark Souls, or the entirety of Dark Souls 2? You lost me here.
& that's why Bloodborne is Miyazaki's best designed world yet, it doesn't shy away from its main theme to appease to the "I WANT RAINBOWS & VARIETY" crowd, Bloodborne is thematically consistent, there's nothing in the world that doesn't make sense.
I half agree here, the environment is boring in the Chalice Dungeons, & it taked a while to get to the more fun & challenging Dungeons, but did you really call Abhorrent Beast, Pthumerian Descendant, Watch Dog, & Yharnam forgetable? Nothing in Dark Souls 2 touches those bosses, & in the casr of Abhorrent Beast, it's up there with the best designed Souls bosses.
So this is why there's a lot of misinformation in your post (no offense).
The Blades of Mercy have the highest dps in the game, it's the last weapon in the game that needs a buff.
The Rifle Spear is the weapon in most need of a buff. It's great in the first half of the game, but loses out to other weapons later because of its poor scaling with everything.
Spiritwalker
Member
Oh really, I had no idea. Well, that's pretty cool.
It's not that great at low level due to its low initial base damage, so I understand your confusion, but a +10 BoM has phenomenal scaling with skill, a +10 50 skill BoM melts through enemies like butter.
piccio_ssl
Member
yes!
edit. according to dualshocker, Kitao said that info about the expansion will be shared after E3
BOM also has fantastic stun properties, given how fast they attack.
I'm a huge fan of the Beast Claw myself. Rushed through the opening areas to the Chalice for the claws and holy hell I'm ripping everything to shreds with them. I killed Rom so fast he didn't even have time to get one teleport off.
Also, Mr Yamagiwa told me that the Hunter Tools (the magic items) will be getting a buff in this patch, but that was over a month ago so that info may have changed.
Edit: Oh I just noticed that line in the patch notes. Somehow it evaded me before...
I'm a huge fan of the Beast Claw myself. Rushed through the opening areas to the Chalice for the claws and holy hell I'm ripping everything to shreds with them. I killed Rom so fast he didn't even have time to get one teleport off.
Also, Mr Yamagiwa told me that the Hunter Tools (the magic items) will be getting a buff in this patch, but that was over a month ago so that info may have changed.
Edit: Oh I just noticed that line in the patch notes. Somehow it evaded me before...
AmethystEnd
Member
There's too much here that's too subjective to respond to (you're welcome to all of your opinions, but that's as far as they go) so I'm just picking one part.
Souls games have never had "deep magic systems". Please. They've had magic as an option, yes, but the systems have never, ever been deep. They range from "herp, projectiles" to "derp, buffs" for...you guessed it, MELEE WEAPONS. Or even worse, the "set it and forget it" spells like Homing Soul Mass and its variations. These systems are extremely shallow.
Still, options are never a bad thing, which is why, again, you're entitled to your opinion that Bloodborne is a weaker game for lacking magic.
Just as I'm entitled to my opinion that melee combat is the only satisfying way to fight in every Souls game.
I will be incredibly disappointed if the next Souls type game by From slows combat back down. Add more options, by all means, but don't slow it back down. Dark Souls and Dark Souls 2 were already slower than Demon's. I'd be sad if they slowed it down again.
hydrophilic attack
Member
Yup, this was my first thought as well. I'm not a fan.
I think slower combat is absolutely okay. I love BB's fast combat, but what really makes it special is the incredible depth and variety of attacks you have with the weapons. Even without the high speeds, if the animations are this good, the variety of attacks you can do this good, etc. then I think slow or fast, the game will be fun and satisfying to play. Obviously enemies would have to be rebalanced to fit that, but I wouldn't say that taking the speed down a notch for the next game would necessarily be a bad thing, so long as the responsiveness, precision and depth remain at top tier levels.
AmethystEnd
Member
"A notch" is fine. Bloodborne back down to Dark Soul 1 speed isn't just "a notch", though. And no, I'm not saying I can no longer play DkS1 and DkS2 after Bloodborne. I'm not that ridiculous or hyperbolic. All of the Souls games still feel amazing to play. Bloodborne's or Demon's speeds are my preference, though.
But DS1 had amazing combat so I don't see anything wrong with a return to DS1 speeds since presumably with the PS4's power and with all the improvements the engine has gotten, surely it'll still be an upgrade?
AmethystEnd
Member
See my edit.
shouamabane
Member
How possible is it to play Dark Souls similarly to Bloodborne?
I'm thinking about getting DS2, but I have no interest in constantly holding a shield button.
I'm thinking about getting DS2, but I have no interest in constantly holding a shield button.
AmethystEnd
Member
Shields have never been mandatory. I've done a shieldless playthrough of every Souls game. On Dark Souls 2 it was even my first run of the game (dual wielded the entire time).
DoubleTake
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Ds1's speed is fine in my opinion. Itll take getting used to coming for BB but id be fine with it. So long as theyre using the DeS/Ds1/BB engine as the base. I really dont want them to use whatever they made for Ds2. The game is far too slow and animations and movements lack any weight.
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
But haven't people already done that? PVPs in Hunter's Dreams are using that method right? Although by using beckoning/resonance bell instead of sinister.
AmethystEnd
Member
Not really related to your post, but I wonder.
If a level 30 password matches with a level 150, what level could possible invaders be? Because if it's just people in the level 30's range... poor invaders.
The thing is, putting the speed of Bloodborne into Dark Souls would make it incredible easy, can you imagine having fast rolls AND shields?
Anyway, I understand your point, the combat in Bloodborne is so satisfying that I don't want to think how much slower Dark Souls 3 is gonna be.
I hope the Dark Souls 2 team learned a lot from Bloodborne, perhaps they can add some of the expanded moveset found in Bloodborne while keeping the speed intact? I don't know, & to be honest, I'm glad I'm not in their shoes, a lot of people are going to expect the combat depth from Bloodborne in Dark Souls 3 despite it not being possible due to the lack of weapon transformation.
Anyway, I'm excited for what they're up to, especially after reading the Famitsu interview with the Dark Souls 2 director, it looks like he learned a lot from his mistakes.
AmethystEnd
Member
Yeah. I've made it pretty clear that faster is my preference, but nowhere have I said "I will absolutely not play the next game if it's slower or different." I'm tethered to From's action rpgs for life at this point. Honorbound to play every single action rpg they release from now until the world burns down
or the gaming industry collapses.
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Deleted member 30609
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do you have a link to this? I love developer post-mortems.
Can you be invaded if you're using a password? I think the invaders must know the password as well.
AmethystEnd
Member
Not sure (that's why I'm asking
), since I've only co-oped in Chalice Dungeons and things work a bit differently in there.Yes, pretty sure the password only effects co-op and not invasions.
Windom Earle
Member
Personally I finished every Souls game, but Bloodborne is my favorite and I put more time into it than all the others. There are fewer weapons, but they have so much more depth... Also it took me a bit, but I am in love with the PvP. And unlike others I also like the dungeons. Leveling up without actually leveling up rocks. ;D I loved DS2, love Bloodborne now, every game stands on its own for me.
Why do you assume the enemies would be exactly the same as in the existing games? If that new game had a faster tempo enemies would attack faster as well, which means dodging and blocking their attacks would be harder too. The game would only be "incredibly easy" if it was poorly designed.
AmethystEnd
Member
Preach it, brother.
Well yeah, and I'd have to agree with him that giving us a character as fast as we have in Bloodborne PLUS shields as ridiculously impervious as the previous Souls games would be pretty bad design.
Spiritwalker
Member
Oh, they're already at +10, I just don't have any other high level weapons to compare it to. Burial Blade and Whip +7 are my strongest secondary weapon.
My skill is around 40ish.
Not that it really matters, I'd use BoM even if they had mediocre damage. Love the playstyle. ^_^
toddhunter
Member
Why are you invading somebody with a password who is going to be a dick about it?
I don't see the negative with this change at all.
The enemied would need to be pretty damn fast AND powerful to avoid that, but if they balance the game that way, shieldless builds would be godawful, since the enemies are balanced around you having high mobility & a shield.
AmethystEnd
Member
Huh? He doesn't get to choose who he invades. If the system allows a low level to summon a high level through passwords, but invaders are matched to the low level's range, then I can see his complaint. But we don't know one way or the other how that system will work right now.
Yoloswaggins
Neo Member
What the fuck is wrong with some people, there's people here refusing to play the game because of framepacing?
I don't even know what the fuck that is
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I don't even know what the fuck that is
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Windom Earle
Member
<3 for all the Souls games.
Yes, I love dash>R1 and R1 spam, it is a great style.
(PJSalt)
This is not how it works.
AmethystEnd
Member
Really? How do you fix it, then? I'd love to know.
Well, their damage isn't that high per hit if that's what you mean, they have high dps, but the weapon needs a lot of stamina if you want to stunlock enemies into a combo
The most important part is that they're the most fun weapon to use in any game ever. It having the highest dps in the game is just a bonus.
Go to Old Yharnam.
Chalice dungeons XXtreme edition.
The game runs almost 30 locked, it's just that the frames are not displayed properly, EA fixed issues like that in NFS, it's fixable and not related to system's resources.
DustyVonEric
Member
I've usually been sword and board in Souls when melee. But after Bloodborne, I've been running shield-less, two-handing and duel-wielding in DS2. From wasn't kidding about shield "passivity". Shield combat seems too slow now for me.
To dodge-roll like Bloodborne, just make sure to keep equip load under 50% for fast rolls and boost ADP / ATT to get your AGI way up there. I really started to feel comfortable with rolls once I hit 95 AGI, but going higher felt even better. It just sucks grinding ADP to get to that point though.
To be honest, I never had a problem with frame pacing except for some parts of Old Yharnam. What I want is for them to fix the framerate when cooping with 2 people in busy areas.
FalsettoVibe
Member
Just don't nerf my holy blade.
This is an issue with the bigger areas like Central Yarnam, from what I've seen it looks like performance problems in co-op are tied more to loading sections of the area than the game traditionally dropping frames. This should be a bigger priority than the frame-pacing issue IMO.
Still worried about the non-restrictive with passwords co-op thing and how it may affect invasions though, hopefully From won't kill (the already lackluster when compared to the Souls games) PvP in this game with this patch.