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The High-end VR Discussion Thread (HTC Vive, Oculus Rift, Playstation VR)
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I hope it will be. I'm 34 and I still get a little tense thinking back on the underwater Vive demo I experienced last Fall. That whale coming so fucking close to me and then just staring before swimming away while I was hoping it didn't accidentally hit me with its tail made me more nervous and tense than any horror game experience I've had. And I love horror games. Then there's my wife who couldn't finish the Portal tech demo because the FRIENDLY robot that comes into the room that needs to be prepared scared her so much. Hahaha.
Vyse The Legend
Member
Yeah it started today, but press embargo is on until wednesday. I'm hoping leaks before that
These two caught my eye from the picture, hopefully some cool fantasy VR games.
That looks amazing. More Oculus moneyhats would make me sad, though.
That sounds amazing! I've went with the OR but the more I hear about the Vive the more I've thought about changing. Ultimately I hope both succeed and VR takes off in a big way.
That's actually a very fair VR scale as well. I would call those entry, standard, and the last one is what I consider high. I won't have a first-gen Vive, but if someone asked me for a high-end VR headset Vive would be the only one that springs to mind.
According to Ars the final retail Vive will come with mounts.
As Kyle wrote, the box contains a head-mounted display (HMU), two motion-tracked controller wands, and two tracking stations with matching mounting hardware. Valve has confirmed that retail Vives will also come with little mounts that can either be drilled into a wall or ceiling or stuck in place using adhesive (and they should be superior to the ugly-but-functional mounts we got with the "near-final" set).
As Kyle wrote, the box contains a head-mounted display (HMU), two motion-tracked controller wands, and two tracking stations with matching mounting hardware. Valve has confirmed that retail Vives will also come with little mounts that can either be drilled into a wall or ceiling or stuck in place using adhesive (and they should be superior to the ugly-but-functional mounts we got with the "near-final" set).
I think that is unfair, as seated and standing experiences are very different but not necessarily better or worse than each other.
random edit: Watching a video of the guy setting up the vive, he mentioned that you get a little aux USB socket hanging off the back as well as a 3.5mm socket for headphones. He also said that USB headphones appear to work if you plug them into the headset, which is pretty great.
Fantastic post. "a rising tide lifts all boats"
Iirc, there's a 1/8" headphone jack on the hmd itself. I don't think you would get the 3D audio if you connected a headset before the box (unless it supports some kind of return channel)
Razgriz-Specter
Member
Yeah it started today, but press embargo is on until wednesday. I'm hoping leaks before that
These two caught my eye from the picture, hopefully some cool fantasy VR games.
Has FFXIV been talked about with PS VR? Not likely but my god it would be awesome.
They did a demonstration with it, but it hasn't been confirmed as a release title
This is amazing!
I never thought it could be done in real time! This is the de facto way VR should be shown to consumers. I agree with you and really hope sites like Giant Bomb use this for quick looks instead of the traditional POV shot you see right now. It's perfect for Twitch streamers too. Man! I'm actually really thrilled about this, it's the perfect solution for the problem of how we were going to convey this stuff in the media. I honestly never thought that problem would be solved this perfectly.
Well so far this is for devs only. They'd need to build in options to let normal folk do that for streaming etc. I hope they do
Razgriz-Specter
Member
Oh, thanks!
Ah I see. It's stil great that it exists, I'm sure it will find its way for anyone to use.
ChronotriggerJM
Member
Awesome thread, subbed for sure.
"High End" to me, at least at this stage, is 90hz+ screen, and positional tracking. Motion controllers while amazing, I don't think quantify something as a more robust experience per se (perhaps the experience you're in doesn't rely on input, just speculation), but proper depth tracking is super important.
I wan't a Vive pretty bad, but I have a feeling PSVR will be my first HMD.
"High End" to me, at least at this stage, is 90hz+ screen, and positional tracking. Motion controllers while amazing, I don't think quantify something as a more robust experience per se (perhaps the experience you're in doesn't rely on input, just speculation), but proper depth tracking is super important.
I wan't a Vive pretty bad, but I have a feeling PSVR will be my first HMD.
I don't mean to disparage the other categories at all, but that's the clearcut way I would measure the experience. When Oculus first arrived I immediately wanted one to play all my space combat games. During this time the main piece of demo software was VR Quake. Getting full room scale tracking so quickly is well beyond my initial expectations.
I'd actually like to see some cockpit games use detailed environment tracking to influence their setting. It would be great if cameras noted the position of my HoTaS, rudders and keyboard and map the spacing accordingly. PSVR has a leg up since the controller all have track points, but it would still be great to see my arm when reaching for a controller.
Dusktildawn48
Member
I still can't decide which one to go with, I have the oculus preordered but they both sound amazing for different reasons.
A cockpit like the Millennium Falcon would be awesome. A piece of junk always almost falling apart. You have to constantly jump around fix it, while piloting it, even try to defend yourself and other people interfering. Like you said, the game knows the position of your chair and properly other input devices, so you can leave your seat.
If you can only get one then any of the three in the OP is probably fine.
Any exclusivity on oculus is hopefully short lived and more to do with tools and devkit availability for a wider number of developers than any moneyhatting by oculus.
Likewise any vive exclusives will likely be functional exclusives due to the motion controllers.
When oculus touch is out and more people have vives, I think you'll see a rapid normalisation of title availability across all three platforms - it'll be a small addressable market initially so developers will need to cast a wide net to get the best returns.
So while you might get some exclusives initially whether you buy OR, vive or PSVR, I think they'll mostly be timed exclusives and you'll get the chance to enjoy everything within 6-12 months
You mean the Rift will have you struggling for ports right? You're not going to be struggling for ports because you're going to have them both plugged in simultaneously, right?
Dreams-Visions
Member
excellent. gogo adhesive
Launch software isn't always a great judge either. More so considering the Vive hasn't been around that long. Best thing would be to give it six months or a year but who's that patient.
artsi
Member
I have no idea what kind of magic this is if it works, but sounds very interesting.
Or maybe I should rather say "holy shit this sounds fucking awesome"?
http://vrscout.com/news/samsung-entrim-4d-vr-motion-headphones/
Basically, a solution (or one towards it) to eliminate VR motion sickness, and of course to provide better immersion.
Or maybe I should rather say "holy shit this sounds fucking awesome"?
http://vrscout.com/news/samsung-entrim-4d-vr-motion-headphones/
Samsung to Unveil Entrim 4D VR Motion Headphones
According to Samsung, the idea behind the Entrim 4D headphone accessory is to synchronize your body with changing movements in VR video content. This is accomplished by using a “combination of algorithms and Galvanic Vestibular Stimulation (GVS), a safe and simple technique that sends specific electric messages to a nerve in the ear.”
Entrim 4D delivers electrical signals – like the ones used to help restore balance in stroke patients – via headphones equipped with electrodes that correspond with movement data input by engineers. This allows you to feel a sense of direction and speed movement according to Samsung, potentially eliminating the need for expensive 4D motion chairs.
Basically, a solution (or one towards it) to eliminate VR motion sickness, and of course to provide better immersion.
I was planning to if I could disconnect the cables at the headset end on the Rift. I know you can on the Vive (or alternatively, on the breakout box). It'll just be a lot easier to leave them plugged in all the time at the PC side then reconnect them on the headset side when I want to use either one of them.
Unless of course there are no problems with leaving both of them plugged in properly and just disabling them in software, which I'd prefer.
Now I'm imagining an Escape room with a VR headset.
@_@
Halfway through solving a puzzle the floor falls out and it looks like you have to tight walk on girders.... So much potential in VR. My first sets are looking to be Rift/PSVR though.
And then I look up and notive we're already nearing consumer GVS. The future is hear!
Should probably New Thread that.
I wonder what happens to your balance? If you're turning really fast wouldn't your body try to counter the forces it's expecting? The idea of messing with my vestibular system that way and damaging it in some way also freaks me out a little bit.
Feeling like you're superman does sound pretty amazing though.
artsi
Member
Yeah I don't think it's something you can just push to the market, and I would be super skeptical if it was some random kickstarter or something.
But it's Samsung and it seems like they do have an actual working (experimental) device, so I'll be following the developments closely.
Apparently Palmer was also talking about this tech some years ago, but their limited budget (before the FB acquisition) didn't allow them to research it much back then.
It's just amazing how fast things seem to be moving forward. Foveated rendering, haptic gloves, full body tracking, this... VR future is bright and I can't wait to get stuck in an MMO world in 2022.
Np, here's a video if you're interested
https://youtu.be/SavOo0fORxQ
I share the same dream, but we aren't there yet. At one of the Sony VR talks they said that arms are kind of janky and floating hands are the best approach at the moment
yongeandcollege
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When I see "799 + High end PC" I think not ready for prime time.
plagiarize
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That's why this thread is called high end VR buddy.
iceatcs
Junior Member
That's what I mean, in the first 6 months is still launching titles to me. Most titles will be heard on Day One anyway.
Quite dangerous if tip over by losing the balance lol.
Dee Dah Dave
Member
Gonna be interesting to see who's leading the race in a couple of years time.
I can see Valve releasing Half Life 3-D to get a leg up in the VR market!
I can see Valve releasing Half Life 3-D to get a leg up in the VR market!
Dusktildawn48
Member
If i were to preorder a vive now how will I know the anticipated ship date?
Edit: and can i cancel at any time?
Edit: and can i cancel at any time?
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
And I can see a lot of FUCK VALVE, if there was no non-VR solution, lol.
I thought I'd post this for those who haven't seen it. It's a talk demonstrating the psmove as an input device (with Q&A at the end). It's a good video for people curious about what the new controllers can do that gamepads or things like the wiimote can't. It's with 2D demos on the ps3, but you can imagine how VR would change the experience. Feel free to add it to the OP if you think it's helpful.
https://youtu.be/sRtF3qMucuA
Bonus info if you didn't know, this guy is designing the UI for the game Dreams, which is rumored to come to PSVR
https://youtu.be/sRtF3qMucuA
Bonus info if you didn't know, this guy is designing the UI for the game Dreams, which is rumored to come to PSVR
Fantastic post. "a rising tide lifts all boats"
I wish it was possible. There's little more infuriating than fanboy bullshit on gaming message boards. That said, in the 20ish years that I've been on gaming boards I've never seen things go differently. I don't think it's possible as it's just human nature for certain people to come in and rile up other people that can't hold their tongue and ignore the childish behavior.
Well I'm officially ready for VR. The summary:
Bought my new parts last weekend. The main components:
- i7 6700k
- 16GB Corsair Dominator 3200MHz DDR4
- 512GB Samsung 950Pro M.2 PCI-E SSD
- Geforce GTX 970 (swapped from old PC - will upgrade once Pascal releases)
Built and upgraded to Windows 10 (finally).
My case (Corsair 600C Inverted) has 2 USB 2.0 slots and 2 USB 3.0 slots on the front top corner, which is perfectly adjacent as one of the corners of my VR space. In theory I should be able to have both the Vive and the Rift hooked up simultaneously (will prob hook up the XB1 controller to rear slot). 1 USB2 for Vive, 2 USB3 and 1 USB2 for Rift. So it should work perfectly and get maximum slack!
Installed an extra PCI-E USB 3.0 card giving me an extra 5 options in the rear come Touch.
Also cleared out every bit of available space in my large bedroom. I now have a 14' x 11' VR room space set aside with my computer in corner position next to my desk.
One other corner has a bookcase for Lighthouse 1 with a power outlet right below. The opposite corner has a french door that Ive pinned open, hoping to rig up Lighthouse 2 on top of the door or just get a support pole if it won't stay still for good tracking. Outlet on wall just next to door.
I had to re-arrange a ton of stuff including my entire bedroom entertainment stand, which is now a tiny 10" deep IKEA table stand. Have to maximize space LOL! Took the majority of last weekend and this weekend. But I think i have EVERYTHING covered guys. Going to be a long two weeks. At least we have Sony's PSVR event Tuesday and then Rift launch preview embargo ends Wednesday! It's finally upon us! Rejoice VR brothers and sisters!
Bought my new parts last weekend. The main components:
- i7 6700k
- 16GB Corsair Dominator 3200MHz DDR4
- 512GB Samsung 950Pro M.2 PCI-E SSD
- Geforce GTX 970 (swapped from old PC - will upgrade once Pascal releases)
Built and upgraded to Windows 10 (finally).
My case (Corsair 600C Inverted) has 2 USB 2.0 slots and 2 USB 3.0 slots on the front top corner, which is perfectly adjacent as one of the corners of my VR space. In theory I should be able to have both the Vive and the Rift hooked up simultaneously (will prob hook up the XB1 controller to rear slot). 1 USB2 for Vive, 2 USB3 and 1 USB2 for Rift. So it should work perfectly and get maximum slack!
Installed an extra PCI-E USB 3.0 card giving me an extra 5 options in the rear come Touch.
Also cleared out every bit of available space in my large bedroom. I now have a 14' x 11' VR room space set aside with my computer in corner position next to my desk.
One other corner has a bookcase for Lighthouse 1 with a power outlet right below. The opposite corner has a french door that Ive pinned open, hoping to rig up Lighthouse 2 on top of the door or just get a support pole if it won't stay still for good tracking. Outlet on wall just next to door.
I had to re-arrange a ton of stuff including my entire bedroom entertainment stand, which is now a tiny 10" deep IKEA table stand. Have to maximize space LOL! Took the majority of last weekend and this weekend. But I think i have EVERYTHING covered guys. Going to be a long two weeks. At least we have Sony's PSVR event Tuesday and then Rift launch preview embargo ends Wednesday! It's finally upon us! Rejoice VR brothers and sisters!
There was a lot of that when Half Life 2 was Steam exclusive. Now most of those same people are huge Steam fanboys.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
I remember, however, this is a weeeee bit different. Especially if those people bought a Rift, lol.
And the funny thing is if everyone bought only their platform of choice (therefore there was only one platform to buy) they wouldn't be very happy. The fact that we have options is a great thing. But I guess that's the same mentality that encourages racism. :/
/tangent
shiftplusone
Member
Ive got my oculus order and I should be a day 1 guy, so lets hope that works out. I like a lot of what the vive is showing off but I think I'm gonna stick with the oculus as my first headset.
Does anyone know if the headphones are removable from any of the headsets? My wife has hearing aids and needs to use her own headphones, and the ones attached to the rift look like shit. I'd hate for the audio to be a reason that her VR experience is hindered
Does anyone know if the headphones are removable from any of the headsets? My wife has hearing aids and needs to use her own headphones, and the ones attached to the rift look like shit. I'd hate for the audio to be a reason that her VR experience is hindered
Dusktildawn48
Member
I believe I heard that they are. And I also think I heard the headphones were actually pretty good.
They are detachable. I would give them a shot before pulling them though as some people have claimed their soundstage is actually really good.
Valve VR games will most certainly run on OpenVR and thus support any PC headset with motion controllers. This includes Oculus Touch which Valve has confirmed is coming to SteamVR once they get those controllers so if Oculus supports a 360 degree room scale space I can't imagine Valve artificially limiting their games to Vive. Assuming of course that there isn't some major hardware change (finger tracking or something) between them in the future.
shiftplusone
Member
Thanks.
And it was more of a comment on how they sit on your head, based on the pictures. She gets weird feedback if the wrong thing bumps into her earpiece so I'm glad they come off if the included ones dont work for her
QuickSilverD
Member
Does anyone knows how PSVR handles IPD, seeing that it is only one screen. anyone that has used give any comments on how effective it is?