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CBC: "Killing Nazis, fighting religious fanaticism the focus of upcoming video games"
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I didn't have an issue with killing people who wanted to kill you and also were killing everyone else in sight. I think infinite failed to tell a coherent story primarily because of how the reality, universe and time jumping was executed.
At the time I was playing I got that they were trying to get across that revolutions are messy. But seeing how people feel about it, I guess that too was handled clumsily
Bumblebeetuna
Member
And brother, business is a boomin!
aspiegamer
Member
The last FPS I played was Far Cry 4 which is barely a FPS to start with, but I do have a hankering to kill some Nazis. Tempting. They have been the absolute universal 100% safest generic foe to cast for the player to kill for 25+ years now, after all.
Far Cry most certainly will, though. Ubi can't possibly have imagined how great/awful their timing on this is when they started development.
It's create-a-character, so you can create a female Black cop to take out White religious weirdos. It's still going to ruffle plenty of feathers.
Messofanego
Banned
While I'm looking forward to blasting Nazis, I'm more interested in the story for Wolfenstein 2 to be as incisive as the first one was. It depicted concentration camps, a forbidden lesbian relationship under Nazi rule, questioning Blazko's military loyalty and racism.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KV2xrqRRZVE
"You're a patriot? Blue-eyed, jarhead motherfucking Nazi killing patriot that you are. You're still a puppet to the man. You're exactly the kind of guy they ordered in come lynching time. You don't get it, do you? Before all this, before the Germans, before the war. Back home, man, you were the Nazis!"
This new one seems to be leaning into political matters more, like with the KKK, black power, which is good. The closer the depiction of Nazis to something believable and away from cartoonish villains, the better.
LogicAirForce
Neo Member
I'm interested in the new Wolfenstein game but have never played the series before. Do you guys think I will have to play the last one or will I be able to jump right in to the new game? I know its not out yet so that might be hard to answer.
Bony Manifesto
Member
They ham-fistedly try to retcon it in the DLC by revealing (through a conversation you overhear while crawling through a vent, no less) that this hero of the slaves wasn't actually evil, but was just pretending to be evil in order to galvanise a character's resolve to defeat the true big bad.
I think the story as a whole was passed through the 'metaphysical wankery' filter a few too many times, and they didn't realise that it was twisting certain aspects of their narrative into something sinister.
The problem is that they primarily consist of people brought into the city and oppressed because of their skin color. The game tries to treat it like a communist revolution when it's much closer to a slave revolt.
Yeah, the first section contains most of the white supremacy stuff, while the problem sections later on take you out of the Jim Crow south and put you into "The Jungle" era New York. It's a mess.
Snkfanatic
Banned
The new one is a direct sequel to New Order so if you can try to pick that up and play it. It's a fantastic game so don't miss out and can usually be found rather cheap. Of course that's only if you are worried about the story. It should still be a blast to play, gameplay wise.
You're seriously missing out by not getting the first.
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Deleted member 80556
Unconfirmed Member
Man, I can't wait for the new Wolfenstein.
That post about the character J makes Wyatt's storyline worth it, also considering J is actually (spoiler)
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It's weird to see that videogames, that have been underestimated as an art form (or at least media), are tackling this kind of subject matter way better than TV.
That post about the character J makes Wyatt's storyline worth it, also considering J is actually (spoiler)
Jimi Hendrix
It's weird to see that videogames, that have been underestimated as an art form (or at least media), are tackling this kind of subject matter way better than TV.
There's a 2-pack coming out Tuesday which gets you a $10 rebate on the new game- https://www.amazon.com/dp/B074B2CB6G/?tag=neogaf0e-20 (yay GCU for stacking bonuses!)
Did Columbia have actual slaves? Fitzroy and her followers had more obvious similarities to communism and had the revolution escalate in a way that's not so different from what happened in some countries.
What I'd blame Bioshock for is that at that point it has completely forgotten about any of the race issues it brought up earlier. I'm not sure if even Fitzroy mentions it
I only have one request for everyone gonna play these games.
I can promise you 1000 or so at the very least. I'm gonna feel cathartic playing these games.
Seriously, Play the first one and the Add on/Expansion. It's fantastic and will make the experience for new colossus all the better.
Seriously, Play the first one and the Add on/Expansion. It's fantastic and will make the experience for new colossus all the better.
Well damn, gotta get the full experience... I'm on it!
HammerFace
Banned
Damn. I shouldn't have come in here. I got spoiled on some bits about the first wolfenstein. But yeah as soon as I saw the Klansmen in Amerika I knew I had to get this game. And I'm not a huge fan of far cry games, but the plot behind 5 definitely has me excited.
TetraGenesis
Member
Yeah, and I can't fucking wait.
Killer Queen
Banned
Already pre ordered and ready. Might even buy a second copy
Finally playing through The New Order now and loving it, getting more and more hyped for The New Colossus. Cathartic targets and timeliness aside, MachineGames' appraoch to FPS campaign design is so refreshing and the confident wierdness of the reveal trailer has me hoping they're about to take things to another level.
Like others, I'm less convinced Far Cry 5 is a game that's willing to ruffle feathers or even make statements as much as it's a new location for open world mayhem, but the core premise and imagery is still welcome in the big budget landscape.
Like others, I'm less convinced Far Cry 5 is a game that's willing to ruffle feathers or even make statements as much as it's a new location for open world mayhem, but the core premise and imagery is still welcome in the big budget landscape.
The story was a goddamned mess. It was obvious they went through countless rewrites.
Cosmic Schwung
Member
again, I might be remembering things wrong but I thought the Irish were a part of the Vox Populi
FIREKNIGHT2029
Member
You barely remembered the story because it was mediocre. The gameplay imo was serviceable at best and as a minority I really appreciated slogging through both to have a privileged white girl basically tell me, "Don't bother fighting against the status quo minorities. You're just gonna fuck it up in the end."
(Kinda) On topic, I'm definitely getting Wolfenstein day one, but will wait on Far Cry for reviews. And yeah, you better believe I'll be using that hatchet on as many Klansmen as I can.
That was *this* gen, man.
I've seen old eugenics pamphlets from the 30's that claim the Irish are closer to Africans then they are the English. People are weird.
"Gaf" hates Infinite because criticism of a divisive game becomes much louder after the honeymoon period. To be sure, "Gaf" does not hate very many games. There's plenty of people who enjoy Infinite on here to this day. But any game with a lot of hype and anticipation is going to see a wave of pushback because it seemed like everyone said something was brilliant and people are disappointed when they feel like it isn't.
My spicy hot take on Infinite is this:
It presents all these ideas but makes no commentary. It has no opinion. It just puts this shit out there and says "look at this. Whaddaya think about this, hmm? Isn't this a thing??" Which makes it come off as wanting to be a lot smarter than it is. And it sure fucking loves itself for that "clever" ending.
As for the more objective elements worthy of criticism, the level design, system mechanics and combat scenarios are mediocre at best, obnoxious at worst. Everything is walked back from the previous two games. There's no nuance to battle (the same can be said of the writing) and the differences in your abilities are largely superficial in how they are used.
Gameplay and story clearly seem to have suffered terribly at the hand of a long and tortuous development where the final game we got went through an agonising process of attrition.
Snarky(HEART)
Banned
I'd much rather shoot at racists than religious fanatics
They tend to go hand in hand, though.
I just found the whole conceit to be so dull. Asks boring questions and gives boring answers. Zzzzz
My point is more that it didn't need to be examined because it's boring
Both are fun.
MisterShine
Member
There's a wonderful GIF of Blascowicz killing a Nazi with a "So much for the tolerant left!" and I can't find it for the life of me..
What I love about Wolfenstein (New Order especially) is that the Nazis are actually characterized outside of just a military context. You hear about life under the regime constantly, and they are always talking. They make them all such perfect smug little fuckers that killing them is so much sweeter than if they were just a physical threat.
Roronoa Zoro
Gold Member
Well personally I want to play the new wolfenstein because of the fantastic blend of old school and modern shooting mechanics that bethesdas shooters have had recently and i loved far cry 3 and 4 so 5 is a must regardless of politics as well
capitalCORN
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Blood for the blood god!
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