I like her, I'm not bothered that she's doing it. I just want to see the party succeed, and I don't think this helps.
I don't think its a big deal either.
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PoliGAF 2017 |OT3| 13 Treasons Why
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I like her, I'm not bothered that she's doing it. I just want to see the party succeed, and I don't think this helps.
I don't think its a big deal either.
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I don't know. I do think this specific thread has a problem with it. I can have perfectly reasonable conversations with many posters here in other threads, but there's a "culture" to this thread - like there is any other long-running community thread - that encourages certain sorts of posting and certain norms of conversation. It seems plausible to me that it's the effect of PoliGAF as a community rather than any individual member of PoliGAF - at least I hope so.
platypotamus
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Of course they do, it's an opporunity for them to show who the Real Racists are
Carpe Libertatem
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This isn't true at all. How a party performs in special elections absolutely is indicative of how well they will do in the next election.
edit: please do not ever use UK elections as an example of what you think will happen in the U.S. even if our electoral systems are more similar than a lot of other countries, it does not mean it is a useful example.
broz0rs
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iirc some replies that expressed concern that outgoing Congresswoman Ileana Ros-Lehtinen would fall in line with GOP and vote yes on the new AHCA. She's expressed adamantly she's not going to do so.
https://twitter.com/RosLehtinen/status/859525054828359680
https://twitter.com/RosLehtinen/status/859525054828359680
https://twitter.com/MEPFuller/status/859516381171265536
Yeah, you never know in which direction they go. For the party or for their conscience.
This is me just watching some of the language going on between people, but part of the problem and one that was sidelined not once but twice while she was running (2008 and 2016) is that she *Shock* has people that actually like her and want to see her continue her work even if its not as a politician. She has lived as a civil servant her whole life and to just ask her to go away and never come back because optically you find her a deterrent is as much an insult to Hilary's history as it is to a lot of people who did and continue to support her work. Let her do what she feels is right, she has already said she is not running anymore so let her act as a voice for those who still support her, its one voice and if you can't see beyond that then we got a lot more problems for Dem future then her sticking her nose into the picture. Take a look at Jimmy Carter, of past presidential candidates, or former civil servants, half the people are known more for what they do after they run or finish office as they are for what they did or didn't accomplish while running. She can still have a place even if not as a politician running for office, to sideline her in the face of every other person who has lost and not vanished is in fact showing a double standard and it should be called upon.
Pretty much, it's not for minorities it is to nudge the people that is ok with a little dog whistling.
Box of Kittens
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The polling error on a national level in 2016 was not particularly large. Certain states had large polling errors, but the evidence of any large scale effort by Trump supporters to bias polls, or of a general "shy Trump supporter" effect, isn't that great. Certainly not enough to say that you can't believe poll numbers anymore.
Would like to just say this is bullshit. Likely addressed already but I can't let it go. This is pure bullshit fueled by nothing else than ignorance. And leftist or Liberal who chooses to be slightest because Clinton spoke a word is useless. Like it or not she inspires people. My wife doesn't consume politics in the level that I do, but the Clinton speech today fired her right up. Got her talking and engaged. People like this exist, she's not going to go away and shouldn't.
She inspires people, but she also alienates people and is widely hated. That cannot be the face of your party, nor a national mouthpiece for it (not saying she is - I did react too strongly to one interview).
RustyNails
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I think its good that Bernie says Ossof isnt progressive enough because people from South feel like progressivisim is of the devil.
Carpe Libertatem
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and to think, all because she said she didn't want to just bake cookies
Politico should be embarrassed for publishing this horseshit: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/05/02/did-too-much-caitlyn-jenner-doom-espn-215093
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It's limited. A party that wins a special election in a given district has about a 66% chance to hold that in a subsequent general election (Smith & Brunell, 2010). That's not nothing... but it certainly isn't enough to merit an especially strong conclusion about what 2020 will look like, especially because at least part of the causal link is going to be the incumbency effect of that person then defending that seat rather than fighting for it, which obviously doesn't apply to any seats not won in special elections to that point.
I'm not saying 'don't celebrate'. I'm saying 'don't get overconfident'.
I cited Mensch simply because it was a fun reference to something mentioned in this thread in those heady days when we briefly entertained the idea of having a sense of humour. There are certainly America-specific examples. A more America specific version might be this one, from November 2009, which was cited as a referendum on Obama, and where the Democrats ousted the Republicans. We all know what happened in 2010.
Pettiness is undefeated
Like Kaep is the reason people are not watching NFL.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Caitlyn is like the most conservative LBGT+ woman in America, come on now.
Speaking of outgoing congressmen
*Price (R), GA resigned 02/10/2017 to be Health and Human Services secretary
*Mulvaney (R), SC resigned 02/16/2017 to be OMB director
*Zinke (R), MT resigned 03/01/2017 to be Interior secretary
I know about Georgia, but when will the other 2 be replaced? Seems important given the razor thin margins around the AHCA
Controversial statement: Southerners don't hate progressivism, but hate the fact that it, in their minds, just helps black people and is pushed by the pro-black party. It's why Santorum didn't want to help blah people.
Mulvaney special election is June 20th, May 25th I believe for the Montana one.
Thanks, that's sooner than I had hoped
Really highlights how inaccurate the "all press is good press" idiom is.
shinra-bansho
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Hillary opened her dirty neoliberal shrill mouth? Back in the woods with ye.
benicillin
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lol that feeling when you accidentally post your to-do white board on twitter: https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/859534440359497732
RustyNails
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How is it an accident.
no surprises really, except that bannon calls the estate tax the estate tax in private and not the death tax
it was already reported he has a list of trump's campaign promises on his whiteboard. Frankly, I bet he wants you to see how many he checked off -- true or not
benicillin
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Probably true.
Definitely.
whyamihere
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Russian spy.
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Вы поймали меня, товарищ.
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I don't fully agree with Crab's post, but I do agree that there's a frustrating tendency in political discussions to argue people's hypothetical motivations or their character rather than to debate the point that's actually being offered.
I definitely don't think it's exclusive to PoliGAF. It happened to me plenty of times in OT last year during the eternal primary. I suspect Crab is just noticing it more in PoliGAF because PoliGAF has a stronger concentration of core Democrats, and he tends to disagree with core Democrats constantly, so this is a place he's more subject to it.
That said, I think people are generally just pretty angry about the fact that Nazis are trying to take over America and that leads them to make angry comments. This is bad but also understandable and mitigatable. Bonen gets fewer accusations about his positions, for example, because Bonen makes more effort to establish his bona fides in potentially controversial posts.
I definitely don't think it's exclusive to PoliGAF. It happened to me plenty of times in OT last year during the eternal primary. I suspect Crab is just noticing it more in PoliGAF because PoliGAF has a stronger concentration of core Democrats, and he tends to disagree with core Democrats constantly, so this is a place he's more subject to it.
That said, I think people are generally just pretty angry about the fact that Nazis are trying to take over America and that leads them to make angry comments. This is bad but also understandable and mitigatable. Bonen gets fewer accusations about his positions, for example, because Bonen makes more effort to establish his bona fides in potentially controversial posts.
whyamihere
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Луиза посылает привет.
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I dunno, seems to have worked as intended for Trump.
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His avatar is also a Nidoran, which is to this day one of the best Pokemon and understandably puts people into a positive frame of mind. Imagine where this thread would be if it was Garbodor.
Not...really? He remains staggeringly unpopular and can't get anybody in Washington to do anything he wants unless they already wanted to do it (ICE and terrorizing people of color)?
The evidence of Trump's win is not that bad media is good. It's that the cabbage story is true -- anybody the Republican party nominates, no matter what, has at least a small chance of winning just on party loyalty. Trump is probably WORSE than a cabbage and he won!
That's why it's so important for parties to enforce their boundaries, and why the Republican Party establishment failed in its fundamental duty to the American people by refusing to oppose Trump, which is why they must be removed from public life.
Carpe Libertatem
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I don't think it's this because I don't know anything about Pokemon and I think crabs are cute. Who doesn't like sideways walking?
Bad press is likely worse for some than for others. Also, I don't think his press was as consistently critical of him as it could have been, or as it was for Hillary.
That's what he's really saying. Issa isnt one of the cleanest Republicans around in the first place, and happens to hold the kind of districts that could sour on the president more easily than most. He held his California seat by 1,200 votes. Bless his heart.
whyamihere
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Nidoran is bad because of how much it relies on traditional gender norms.
Plus it's typing gives it tons of weaknesses.
He represents the most dangerous GOP-held district in the country.
whyamihere
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Yep! I was checking the totals as you posted this. One of the slimmest if not THE slimmest margin of victory that year! Oops.
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Why does #2 on immigration have a chackmark?
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build wall and EVENTUALLY make mexico pay LOL
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Huh. Looking closely it's actually an Espeon.
My opinion of Bonen has decreased.
My opinion of Bonen has decreased.
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