Try gakai demos. They are quite impressive.
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Gaikai teasing a big E3 announcement
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Try gakai demos. They are quite impressive.
Metalmurphy
Member
How fast of a download speed would you need in order to stream a game?
I have a feeling Australians will struggle to use this service with our limited internet..
The average Youtube video in 720p HD streams at around 8000kbps, you shouldn't need much more then that for gaming. Specially since Youtube actually streams ahead most of the time.
Oooo, I should be sweet then here in Australia, I seem to be able to load a 720p video fairly quickly, and that's with wireless. So I'm sure it'll be a lot better with a wired connection.
Hopes are high.
looks legit, i tried a demo of crysis/rayman and it was gorgeous and playable. the lag was still too much for my tastes & my bandwidth caps would never allow me to play these games enough to care, though. a $49 PS labeled cloud box with ad-supported gameplay could wreck serious harm on anyones chance to push a console out next-gen. It would just be too damn cheap for most people to pass up. this is probably Sony's only chance to compete next-gen and make it out alive.
Yep, and for those of us with integrated graphics on our PC's / Laptops, the tech is even that more impressive.
Proelite
Member
I dont think the $49 box would be getting next generation content. Publishers would put their games on platforms that can make them money.
i didn't mean that all gameplay would be ad-supported. i would imagine that newer games would require you to buy or rent access. the ad-supported gameplay would just be a tease to get you on the platform and willing to pay for games.
Metalmurphy
Member
Guess ur too far away from their servers or something. That's definetly not what I'm getting.
jeff_rigby
Banned
Don't know if this is going to be used but H.265 (Halves bandwidth needed for video) is coming Jan 2013 and accelerated web browsers can do a tile update for the screen (only the areas that change get updates or the scrolled area that comes into view). Depends on support by the on-line game service I guess.''Your bandwidth has dropped below the minimum required for quality gameplay''
Guess I'll have to wait till I change to a wired connection.
PS3 webkit browser does not have accelerated support yet.
Considering OpenGL accelerated webkit is going to be in just about everything could they be using code supporting the browser or the browser it'self?
dinosaur_hunter2
Member
If it's anything like that, it would be very interesting. Otherwise, if it's just like OnLive, it will never work properly here in Brazil.
DangerousDave
Member
I bet for something like... if you are PS+, being able to remote play your PS3 games on Vita, without using the PS3 (get the save info from the cloud, executing the game in gaikai remote servers)
Backfoggen
Banned
That would actually be pretty smart and a cool feature. Getting to try out next-gen on your current console.
Brad Grenz
Member
So, VG24/7 is the source of the original PlayStation Cloud gaming rumor, and guess who is listed as a "partner" on the Gaikai website? That's right, VG24/7...
720p YT video works perfectly with 4mbit connection.
iamshadowlark
Banned
i also think its Onlive for Sony. Gaikai is browser based. Sony browsers suck.
thehillissilent
Member
Very good article. I highly recommend people read the above. Also, Gaikai is upgrading all of their 25-50 datacenters with Geforce GRID GPUs to cut down on latency even further (http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articl...-partner-with-meteor-to-broaden-hawken-launch). Gaikai is superior to OnLive in a lot of fronts. Gaikai's strategy is to have datacenters very close to users to minimize lag.
It's not just browser-based. There are going to be integrated into plently of devices (TVs, tablets, etc). This was their latest press release about using Scaleform as a front end UI for their customers (publishers/retailers) (http://www.gaikai.com/press/article...r-interface-design-across-a-myriad-of-devices)
Metalmurphy
Member
Gaikai can be "whatever the hell they want" based. That's the whole point of clould gaming.
thehillissilent
Member
The more I think about it, this has to be very specific to Playstation just than a regular OnLive client. I thinking emulated PS1-PS2 games streamed through the browser. Why would I pay for a PS Plus subscription when I could already play OnLIve for free? Gaikai made mention of being able to host a white-label retro game service. They used Nintendo as an example, but Sony could very well do the same. It also makes more sense that Gaikai could do it based on there business model. Also, Playstation 1 games can easily be emulated on PC. Also, PS2 games can be emulated as well. This would make even more sense since PS4 is rumored to be x86 based. It would be advantageous of them getting emulators running on x86 hardware.
Check out this quote from Sony when the rumor in January came around (notice the word: legacy)
http://www.vg247.com/2012/01/19/house-still-some-significant-barriers-to-streaming-solutions/
Check out this quote from Sony when the rumor in January came around (notice the word: legacy)
http://www.vg247.com/2012/01/19/house-still-some-significant-barriers-to-streaming-solutions/
I tried out Gaikai. - Witcher 2 playable on an older rig. Huh. I'm starting to get hyped for this. I want to see the specifics of what Sony is going to do with it. How unrealistic is PC-game streaming to PS3/Vita? Even if only in demo form, that could work well for publishers to gauge interest.
jeff_rigby
Banned
I keyed on: Sony is keen on the idea of streaming and cloud-based games services, but doesnt feel the tech is ready for triple-A experiences yet.
Is the Tech ready now? What is changing around E3, will we get a firmware update?
YuriLowell
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I would be okay with this as a value added expirence for PS+ members, but if they decide to base the whole next console around this, well I'm not going to be purchasing one.
The cloud gaming servers have to be beasts
I do not understand how they could build servers large enough and powerful enough to meet the demand if something like this went mainstream.
It probably works ok right now with low demand, but is the technology really there to have cloud gaming hit the mass market?
It seems like the more popular cloud gaming becomes the worse the performance would be
I may not understand the whole process and maybe it is less intensive on the server end than I am thinking, but if so could somebody enlighten me?
I do not understand how they could build servers large enough and powerful enough to meet the demand if something like this went mainstream.
It probably works ok right now with low demand, but is the technology really there to have cloud gaming hit the mass market?
It seems like the more popular cloud gaming becomes the worse the performance would be
I may not understand the whole process and maybe it is less intensive on the server end than I am thinking, but if so could somebody enlighten me?
thehillissilent
Member
Yeah, the interview was originally from E3 2011, but lots of advances in cloud gaming has happened in the last year. Nvidia Geforce GRID and VGX announcements have been huge for cloud gaming and cloud computing.
plagiarize
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crazy thought. what if they used this for *forwards compatibility*? there's no reason they couldn't. sell streaming versions of PS4 games to the existing PS3 userbase that hasn't upgraded. i wonder what that would do for the userbase transition.
at the very least you could demo PS4 games right to PS3 users in their own homes.
at the very least you could demo PS4 games right to PS3 users in their own homes.
thehillissilent
Member
The servers themsleves are beast, but Gaikai was able to get 12 WOW game instances running on 1 server. Nvidia just announced Geforce GRID that is designed specifically for cloud gaming, which will allow them to run even more game instances at even higher quality per server. It's basically server virtualization (VMWare, Hyper-V) for games with true GPU virtualization. Capacity will be an important issue. However, Gaikai is upgrading to Geforce GRID in August and displayed Hawken on LG HDTV and Transformer Prime (http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articl...-partner-with-meteor-to-broaden-hawken-launch). Gaikai has tons of datacenters.
Lavalamp1138
Member
That free-to-play PC mech game Hawken recently announced that it was coming to Gaikai, I wonder if this means that PS3 gamers will also be able to play it.
thehillissilent
Member
PS4 is heavily rumored to use x86 PC-like hardware so this would actually be very feasible. It would be a literal game-changer if people have decent internet connections.
Haha oh wow. That would be pretty amazing.
jeff_rigby
Banned
Is it through the browser, cause if it is then we are getting a browser update for E3.
thehillissilent
Member
We don't know yet, but Gaikai just announced a partnership with Scaleform for custom UI for multiple devices.
Bold to the end of the sentence and you have your answer. They don't think it's capable of delivering a full "triple A" tier experience. Like Uncharted or God of War. For other things (smaller games and legacy games) they're apparently behind it.
Pretty massive clue as to where they'll take this.
I don't know why anyone would expect such a dramatic shift from any of the console manufacturers. Its the same thing as the "no used games" blocking consoles. No one is rolling that out as a black and white feature, just like this.
It'll all be tiered, slowly building systems and this likely ties directly into the push for a "no used games" layout.
Consider a PS4/Xbox Whatever where you buy the newest Battlefield game and get the full single player experience along with instant online registration of your NEW copy of the game. Then when you play online the system has access to some local assets from the retail media (think HDD install) but the majority of the game is being pushed over your broadband connection.
So instead of console versions of Battlefield being these very limited, incredibly gimped versions of their PC brothers they'll be the same game feature for feature, ran through a cloud based service.
It lets developers promise a better experience while taking away the need to spend additional money on scaling the multiplayer, and it blocks used game sales out from the online community (like online passes do now) but from behind a veil of "we're doing this to give you the best experience possible!" marketing.
Kenshin001
Member
Yeah, I was wondering that too. Was disappointed it wasn't coming to PS3 but it'd be great if I could play it over Gaikai. Is that even possible though?
Try Crysis 2 it's almost unplayable.
thehillissilent
Member
Hawken was originally designed for Xbox Live Arcade so it was designed with console controls in mind in addition to traditional PC controls. It would be awesome to play it through the PS3.
It played really well for me. Baically, YMMV depending on your internet connection and location. If you are closer to the datacenter you will get better quality and less lag.