Exactly graphics are the least of my concern. That preview shreds everything but the graphics.
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Mass Effect Andromeda Graphical Downgrade
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Exactly graphics are the least of my concern. That preview shreds everything but the graphics.
Wishmaster92
Member
Exactly.
CarbonFire
Member
For Real.
I superimposed the old eyes on the new face. Nothing wrong with the model, it's just the new eyes are really off.
Old Eyes + New Face
For Real.
I superimposed the old eyes on the new face. Nothing wrong with the model, it's just the new eyes are really off.
Old Eyes + New Face
Wow. That looks so much better. I am sure that PC will have mods to make this happen.
I still think there's something odd about the jawline, but yeah the eyes make it look much better. Weird.For Real.
I superimposed the old eyes on the new face. Nothing wrong with the model, it's just the new eyes are really off.
Old Eyes + New Face
If I'm blind how would I see them at all?
ItsTheNew
I believe any game made before 1997 is "essentially cave man art."
I feel like I am taking crazy pills when people say that the faces or facial animations look good. They look like amateurish, frankly. Considering Asari are supposed to be the beacons of beauty, why have they all looked fat faced? Almost every character shown looks boring and unattractive.
enixbelmont
Member
You're absolutely insane if you think people are only complaining because the women aren't attractive. The guys look not great either, but the comparison between model and in-game is far, far closer objectively for Scott.
Thanks for saving me some money. That is an evisceration.
They've absolutely gone backwards here, somehow. In a quest for higher facial animation fidelity they seem to have created a new system that's either bugged or has so many moving parts that it creates serious uncanny valley effects.
The Jack animation there is perfectly acceptable - I barely notice it, and can tell what she's emoting. The Ryder one... just doesn't look human.
Wishmaster92
Member
For Real.
I superimposed the old eyes on the new face. Nothing wrong with the model, it's just the new eyes are really off.
Old Eyes + New Face
Thanks for that. It definitely looks a lot better, i'll add it to the op.
Some proper shadowing, more prominent reflections, and some color sure do make a HUGE difference.For Real.
I superimposed the old eyes on the new face. Nothing wrong with the model, it's just the new eyes are really off.
Old Eyes + New Face
Is it too much to hope for them to patch it down the line?
The answer is yes.
plasmawave
Banned
I think the facial animations look real weird because the upper half of the face barely animates.
So.. what is GAF's stance toward John Walker's articles currently?
http://www.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1344221
Kabuki Waq
Member
So far has it been only Horizon Zero dawn that wasn't downgraded this gen?
not the best, but imma play this shit anyway
H:ZD had some downgrades, nothing crazy though. Grass and stuff. Someone posted it in the OT.
H:ZD had some downgrades, nothing crazy though. Grass and stuff. Someone posted it in the OT.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
I mean this is down to CDPR going the extra mile and handcrafting a shit ton of the conversations after using procedurally generated animation as a starting point, and ofc their models are just wow, this is better screen of a random npc
CDPR was and still remains next level. Still I think ME:A based on the footage today and Shinobi's screenshots.
I'm curious if Bioware using Frost Bite instead of the usual Unreal Engine for their games affected facial animations in anyway? Granted I don't think Bioware's facial animations have ever been great but they made pretty good progress going from ME 1 - 3. What advantages/disadvantages does Frost Bite give over Unreal? Really curious especially since EA wants to make Frost Bite their all encompassing engine for everything.
Yup, definitely Mass Effect.
I would say no because it actually looks like a step back from DA: I, which also ran on Frostbite.
OrlanisWorks
Banned
CrichtonKicks
Member
It's Frostbite so mods will be incredibly minimal.
Probably deserves it's own thread.
I'll spend the $5 to try it out on PC. But, I kinda expected this to fall short. The trilogy is wrapped up, it's kinda difficult to see where this game fits in.
Baroquemantic
Member
I'm not seeing a downgrade in those images outside of the eyes looking worse.
I was actually gonna ask that. I remember Mirror's Edge: Catalyst being fine though? idk
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Actually they chose Frostbite on their own, they were actively looking for engines to replace the one they had used last gen. They chose Frostbite because it was WAY better than their engine at terrain creation and came out the box with PBR support for way higher graphical fidelity. Thing is like with any engine they had to make a ton of optimizations and changes to suit their needs for an RPG since it was first and foremost engine designed to make FPS games.
Actually i've always felt like facial animation is the weakest part of the games rendered in frostbite but that may just be uncanny valley since it looks so good.
I'd be ok if this bug never got fixed. xD
Bahahahah
Dragon Age Inquisition wasn't top notch either in that regard, but it worked much better there. I don't know what the Mass Effect Team did, if they used DAI basis or developed something new for the facial animations, but it didn't worked out
Even their hair pales in comparison to what Epic is doing with Paragon, though:
Wish we could get hair like this in every game. At least until the day stuff like TressFX and Nvidia Gameworks hair become doable with better results.
Plumpbiscuit
Member
This is the worst downgrade.
The Artisan
Member
i think you're overreacting a little.
To be fair the hair in Paragon is the best in the business. I'd settle for hair that doesn't look like plastic.
Very interesting. Thanks for the link!
This is the worst downgrade.
What is this monstrosity?
I see the game engine hasnt changed much
Callibretto
Member
I think they try to do more on the animation, trying to make it more expressive but it's not there yet so we come up with lots of weird derpy faces, while in the previous games, the face are very stiff, but at least it won't get the really weird face expression.honestly what's bothering me the most and I know that people are tired of hearing about it, but the recent romance video really shows how jarring the facial animations are:
The ones in Mass Effect 1 and DA:I were less jarring. Maybe it's the eyes or the animation structure in the face, it just seems less believable I guess?
New engine and new team, they're just reusing the same animations from ME1-3 apparently. I just saw the famous cross-arms-lean-back pose by Ryder and the lean-back on left-leg-with-hanging-arms.
That animation bug you see is also replicated in ME3 if you reload between holstered and non-holstered weaponry.
Yeah, it looks like most of the animation is in the jaw, particularly the lower jaw, and eyebrows while the rest of the face remains stationary. Not a great look or all that immersive.
LMAO! Took me a while to see it as I was looking at the wrong places.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
I mean that's because UE4 is a powerhouse and is insanely flexible with different game types.
It's a completely different one actually.
Yea I just watched the romance video and surprisingly they're reusing a shit ton of animations from the original trilogy:New engine and new team, they're just reusing the same animations from ME1-3 apparently. I just saw the famous cross-arms-lean-back pose by Ryder and the lean-back on left-leg-with-hanging-arms.
That animation bug you see is also replicated in ME3 if you reload between holstered and non-holstered weaponry.
that's pretty surprising to see actually.
Man Called Aerodynamics
Member
Like clockwork, this thread.
It's ridiculous. How am I supposed to enjoy the sex scenes with an average looking character ???
there is. while its not as obvious as the ubisoft downgrades, theres a downgrade.