ThoseDeafMutes
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EatChildren said:
Not 100% sure, but I read something about one of the later ME2 novels having Tim talk about the data they got from the Collector base, implying that whether they keep it or not is irrelevant.
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Not 100% sure, but I read something about one of the later ME2 novels having Tim talk about the data they got from the Collector base, implying that whether they keep it or not is irrelevant.
EatChildren
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ThoseDeafMutes said:
From memory the third book doesn't imply where he could the Reaper tech from, so it could have been from the Sovereign remains.
But this is the same book that, for no reason, states Udina as the councillor, so it wouldn't be surprised me of they forced "AND HE GOT IT FROM THE COLLECTOR BASE WHICH YOU SAVED BY THE WAY". Because that seems to be the trend.
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ZombieFred
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miladesn said:
Actually from the article it was just speculation from the writer, nothing said from Bioware.
MrTroubleMaker
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lol me toodwebo said:
Danielsan said:
I am guessing that they ended up being indoctrinated by the collector base if intact or some other artifact if the base was destroyed. So it basically invalidates your final decision from ME2. Which isn't really a surprise, but honestly - just how fucking dumb is Cerberus? They are the Keystone Kops of secret organizations. They literally fuck -everything they do- up.
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FStop7 said:
The comic Evolution, which is canon, already has TIM as at least partially indoctrinated, so I figure they'll just ride off that.
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ZombieFred
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miladesn said:
Well considering that Bioware have been tigtly sealed about Cerberus's motives, and no other preview knows the true reason yet. I doubt it's something simple as that when they are being careful with specific spoilers this time around. I'm leaning more that TIM has his own reasons and just stalling time for whatever plan he has that does (or doesn't) getting Shepard, and not indoctrinated by the Reaper's will because that will be too anti-climatic to both the story and the character itself. Even the evolution comic he didn't come under the reaper spell but does have some kind of connection (with the visions he had) so I am sure that'll come to play in this chapter.
Here are a few more quotes from the article about combat.
"To deal with the last few elites, Shepard [using the freezing concussion shot] freezes them solid to hold them still, then lines up sniper shots exactly through the eye-slits in their shields."
"Put a shield in front of an enemy, and suddenly the ability of the engineer class to place a combat drone behind someone and blow it up gains a new significance. Namely, knocking a guy on his face and shooting him in the head."
"Shepard commando-rolls out of the elite's way - a new move, by the way - and sneaks behind a partition running alongside the main corridor. Liara springs out of cover and pins the elite with a biotic singularity, while Garrus snipes him from cover. Neither kills the elite, but now Shepard is behind him. Rather than fire, he lashes out with his omni-tool, which emits a blade of flame that cuts through the elite's exposed back. He drops."
"To deal with the last few elites, Shepard [using the freezing concussion shot] freezes them solid to hold them still, then lines up sniper shots exactly through the eye-slits in their shields."
"Put a shield in front of an enemy, and suddenly the ability of the engineer class to place a combat drone behind someone and blow it up gains a new significance. Namely, knocking a guy on his face and shooting him in the head."
"Shepard commando-rolls out of the elite's way - a new move, by the way - and sneaks behind a partition running alongside the main corridor. Liara springs out of cover and pins the elite with a biotic singularity, while Garrus snipes him from cover. Neither kills the elite, but now Shepard is behind him. Rather than fire, he lashes out with his omni-tool, which emits a blade of flame that cuts through the elite's exposed back. He drops."
Rahxephon91
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The reason for it is probably something stupid like the "Reapers have assured as that humanity will be spared as their new puppet species and all those non Cerberus humans suck, so they can die anyway."
I don't know what they mean by "more like ME1 in story". ME1's story to me was more about exploration(or the feeling of it), some idea of realism, and more of an investigation then a race to save something. If the Reapers are on the attack from the beginning, I think it will kind of hard to do something that dosen't seem like the pressure is on. Can't be running around while the universe is on the brink of destruction.
I don't know what they mean by "more like ME1 in story". ME1's story to me was more about exploration(or the feeling of it), some idea of realism, and more of an investigation then a race to save something. If the Reapers are on the attack from the beginning, I think it will kind of hard to do something that dosen't seem like the pressure is on. Can't be running around while the universe is on the brink of destruction.
MrTroubleMaker
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EatChildren said:
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No series of any medium ever has a good story unless it is all planned from the beginning. Mass Effect is following the typical unplanned trilogy format.
Part 1: Do something interesting
Part 2: Make it better in every way except story, replacing plot fundamentals with irrelevant reasons to fight a lot and introducing a lot of pointless characters.
Part 3: Try way too hard to make it a bombastic superending, forgetting the subtlety that encapsulates what fans love most about the series.
You know it will happen. I'm sure it will be fun, and it will be stylish, but overall everyone will feel like it got too "noisy" and the ending too obvious. The first will be known for best story, the second for best gameplay, and the third for trying too hard and not being very clever.
Part 1: Do something interesting
Part 2: Make it better in every way except story, replacing plot fundamentals with irrelevant reasons to fight a lot and introducing a lot of pointless characters.
Part 3: Try way too hard to make it a bombastic superending, forgetting the subtlety that encapsulates what fans love most about the series.
You know it will happen. I'm sure it will be fun, and it will be stylish, but overall everyone will feel like it got too "noisy" and the ending too obvious. The first will be known for best story, the second for best gameplay, and the third for trying too hard and not being very clever.
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Rahxephon91 said:
They mean a more focused structure and progression. ME2's 'story' was basically 'DEFEAT THE COLLECTORS', with majority of substance focused on recruiting the characters. As a main plot there wasn't much there as they wanted to focus on the individual stories of each squad mate, that as a whole weren't related to the actual Collector threat.
ME1 on the other hand always kept the focus on the main plot with no real extensions. Every main mission would reveal new insight into the core story, and progress it further.
That seems to be what they want to do with ME3. There's a main plot there that has it's own progression and connection to all main missions, rather than main missions being a series if disconnected missions like the squadmate recruitment in ME2.
Stabby McSter
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Consider me finally hyped!
shadyspace
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Nirolak said:
It was easy if you're playing as LesShep :lol
EatChildren
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Strider2K99 said:
Because the way it is written in is completely unnecessary. They seem to have wanted to seperate Anderson from the council for whatever position he'll have in Mass Effect 3, and the ending of the third book sets this up nicely by
having him resign
But that reasoning would have worked regardless of his position. Instead, both the third book and one of the free comics from Walters go out of their way to establish Udina as the councillor for no good reason, when they could have just let it be and have Udina take Anderson's place.
Despite male Shep being 'standard', along with all the renegade choices, the game and story still functions to a certain extent regardless of your gender or choices. The books and the comics go out of their way to avoid referencing any material that might clash with player choices.
Except the Udina thing. It's literally like the forgot the choice was there.
You know, this is kind of unfair. How could you not be unfaithful, when the one you romanced in ME1 was either:Nirolak said:
1) ass because you haven't called them since the attack on Normandy (because being dead for two years is obviously no excuse) and that you work with the evil organization now (that it resurrected you and is the only party interested in saving human race from Collectors is unimportant);
2) completely uninterested in you at the time because she devoted herself to hunt Shadow Broker;
So it's them that didn't want to continue the relationship, not Shepard :/
EatChildren
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Pankaks said:
As I said early, I expect they'll try and rope in what happened to TIM in the comic Evolution, which is the most recent Mass Effect story...thing.
In it you see TIM's backstory, and it shows that he came in contact with some Reaper marker thing that turns people into husks. He, for whatever reason, only got kinda huskified, which is what gave him the funky eyes we see in Mass Effect 2. According to the comic it also gave him visions, and he could hear the Reapers.
I figure since Walters and co are quite happy half arsing plot details and sweeping canon under the rug they'll just go "OH THE ILLUSIVE MAN IS NOW FULLY INDOCTRINATED AND SO ARE ALL HIS FOLLOWERS" and run with it.
Speedymanic
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Pankaks said:
They've already laid the groundwork in one of those comics, he's been partly indoctrinated by a reaper device that Saren forced him to interact with. (I think it was Saren)
Speedymanic
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Chinner said:
Thought that was pretty obvious after ME2. So much wasted potential and a loss of what was originally a great new IP that needed a few basic tweaks to be perfect. :/
brotkasten
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Yeah, I was hoping for news about this. The reason to exclude 360 controller support in the pc version of ME was always stupid.-COOLIO- said:
Stabby McSter
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Good thing I accidentally never got into another relationship.Nirolak said:
Dreams-Visions
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the eyes.bishoptl said:
you could always tell by the fucking eyes.
Blue Ninja
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The retconning in the novels was such a stupid move. As such, I've decided no longer to view them as canon, except perhaps Revelation and Ascension.EatChildren said:
The only redeemable things here are perhaps Anderson being councilor: I bet it'll be explained in ME3 by Anderson saying "I just got fed up with them, and left them to rot"-if he was a Councilor.
As for the events in Evolution... Those never happened. Never. I dunno who wrote Evolution, but he or she should be ashamed of himself.
In any case, I'm still hyped for this game. Going through an ME1/2 playthrough for exactly this reason. I went with the "Don't care who becomes Councilor"-route in ME1, and then the bastards still make me choose in ME2. I'd always had Anderson in the council, so this time I picked Udina. It makes a lot more sense, when you think about it: Udina being the ass-kissing Council member and Anderson his reluctant aide.
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So apparently Hudson had this to say;
So the whole "Cerberus working for the Reapers" thing might be wrong. Hopefully.
So the whole "Cerberus working for the Reapers" thing might be wrong. Hopefully.
I don't know why anybody is surprised at this silly plot twist. BioWare stopped being subtle storytellers a long time ago, they gave TIM those eyes for a reason and it was immediately obvious this would happen. They've been taking the easy way out with their narratives for years.
industrian
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At one point Shepard will have the choice to change allegiance to work for the Reapers. This is inevitable.
And/or the Reapers will be able to fuck with his implants and get him to do crazy shit.
And/or the Reapers will be able to fuck with his implants and get him to do crazy shit.
industrian
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Ushojax said:
I kept waiting for the bomb to drop and for the "betraying Shepard" twist to happen.
industrian said:
Nah, we have to defeat the Reapers to clear the way for an MMO.Kyaw said:
We've already won over the analysts to boot.Casey Hudson said:
Gamasutra said:
Blue Ninja
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It doesn't really sound like it came from BioWare, though. They speculate on the reasons, a bit, saying "it seems like the pro-human organization fell for the same trick Saren did in ME1." If the "Cerberus is working for the Reapers"-bit turns out to be accurate, I guess that is the only (semi-)logical explanation: the Reapers promise to spare those who aid them, and TIM's stupid enough to believe them.Nirolak said:
If this involves me convincing TIM to shoot himself in the head at the end, that would truly be a sight to behold.