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Vilix
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His love is infectus.
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Warhammer 40,000 |OT| In the Grim Darkness of the Community Forum There Is Only War
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His love is infectus.
SillyEskimo
Member
I just read a great short story that was chaos focused. I'll look it up later and let you know which one it was. It was really, really good. It stuck with me.
It was about how war bands are formed, and the exchange of power from warlord to warlord.
Mr_Antimatter
Member
Storm of Iron was a fun read.
On a random note, I watched Dredd the other night, and now I really want an Adeptus Arbites game. That or an IG game that played like Valkaria Chronicles or GRAW.
Ether woudl be lovely.
Deified Data
Banned
Thanks guys, I'll take a look into those.
I've spent so long wanting an 40k open-world RPG that I never stopped to consider how amazing this would be.
I've spent so long wanting an 40k open-world RPG that I never stopped to consider how amazing this would be.
Enosh
Member
well that's all fine and dandy in this world, but 40k is a universe where powerful god like entities are a 100% provable fact and they all want to eat your face, I don't think the "lalalala I'm ignoring you" approach works quite as well there
hell, if anything I'd say the believe in the Emperor is what kept humanity together for the last 10k years
Worked. Now he needs to feed on hundreds (or was it thousands) of low grade psykers each day just to keep his night lamp on.
LaserBuddha
Member
Well first lets not confuse acknowledging the existence of "supernatural" entities with prostrating yourself in devotion to one.
The Imperium was practically utopian in the way that the Emperor was molding it. So much suffering and hate and ignorance comes from the Emperor being worshipped as he is. Maybe the Imperium is only held together by this superstition at this point, but it got that way because of the imperial cult, not in spite of it. Getting rid of the religious crap would eliminate a lot of problems and not really create any new ones. Imperial forces only THINK they get their blessings and power by worshipping him.
It's not him, it's the Golden Throne. The Golden Throne was a doorway into the webway that the Emperor was creating for mankind. Magnus wrecked it so the Emperor had to focus all his strength and will on holding it closed lest the forces of the warp spill out and engulf terra. All of the sacrificing came later. Like with many things concerning the Imperium, it's unclear whether these psyker sacrifices are the only option, or are even doing anything. The Emperor is completely cut off from the material world and has no way of directing these people.
The Astronomican, actually. The fancy night lamp of the Imperium that allows it to function requires up to hundred psykers to die, as it drains them of... something.
Deified Data
Banned
So is the Emperor actually behind the Astronomican, or is that more superstition?
I'm confused by exactly how much power he still wields while interred.
Thousands of psykers a day culled from billions of Imperium worlds seems like a drop in the bucket to me.
And there is a constant stream of them pouring into Terra on black ships.
The Imperium throws away millions of guardsmen each day. They've got no shortage of manpower.
Well the wiki says this:
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Vilix
Unconfirmed Member
He created the astro-lighthousethingy. According to some Empy is the most powerful psyker in the galaxy. Before Mangus dah Red sent a psychic message which broke all the barriers between the material world and chaos, Empy had enough psychic ability to fight along side his Primarchs in the Great Crusade, run the new Imperium he had created, and power the Astromonicomicon (whatever the hell it's called) from where ever he was. Now, he needs all his psyker ability to hold back chaos.
It's ironic because had the Emperor created a stable webway portal he was going to have Mangus power it by sitting on the golden throne. Not sure if I can see which is better: daemon prince or door man?
The problem I see with the whole Emperor not being a God (God-God, not a Warp-God) is that there are saints and shit running around the Imperium. Hell even in the first 3 books
which sort of even leaves the reader in a state of not knowing which is truly correct.
Yes the Emperor the pre-eminent psyker in the 40k Universe. I don't know why the Eldar insult his powers, not even Eldrad Ulthran compares to him. He single handedly:
- Provides the Astronomicon for the entire Imperium
- Holds Chaos at bay
- Prevents the souls of men from being consumed by Chaos
- Astropaths exist solely because of him and his ability to impart powers to them
- Powers living saints
- Guides other psykers through his tarot
- Gets more powerful the more humans die as their souls become part of his warp presence.
Euphrati Keeler somehow managed to channel some of the Emperor's power by invoking it
Yes the Emperor the pre-eminent psyker in the 40k Universe. I don't know why the Eldar insult his powers, not even Eldrad Ulthran compares to him. He single handedly:
- Provides the Astronomicon for the entire Imperium
- Holds Chaos at bay
- Prevents the souls of men from being consumed by Chaos
- Astropaths exist solely because of him and his ability to impart powers to them
- Powers living saints
- Guides other psykers through his tarot
- Gets more powerful the more humans die as their souls become part of his warp presence.
Pfft, propaganda of the Ecclesiarchy.
Discovered on 789.M35. They had mastered stone tools by then. After a warpstorm that lasted for 6k years, they had railguns and mecha. Warp can interfere with normal time flow so it may have taken longer inside.
Yeah and Lorgar of the Word Bearers got pissy after the Emprah shamed him publicly for worshiping him and after one chaos worshiper showed him the existence of the chaos gods he decided to worship them instead since they liked being revered.
They were aware of the Warp and how it could do queer things to you, but not really about powerful beings that lived in it. Plus the inherent flaws in the Primarchs are what led to their downfall. Look at Angron, that dumb fuck has 0 brains, he would definitely convert for more strength. Lorgar NEEDS something to worship so that's him gone. Mortarion was already a borderline Nurgleite. Magnus loved his sorcery. Perturabo was always a moody little bitch.
Horus and Fulgrim though were perfectly fine until the whispers started working on 'em. It isn't a smart thing to be an atheist in a world in which god like beings exist.
Enosh
Member
well not having hate or ignorance is all fine and nice but this is a universe where one unchecked psyker can fuck up a planet of billions
killing women because people mistakenly belie they were a witch in our universe=bad
killing a woman because she actually is a damn witch and can spawn a million demons that will kill/rape/plague/mind fuck everyone = eeh lets go with morally grey, besides they usually aren't immediately killed but rather monitored and kept in check
iirc wasn't there some story about when they first started appearing (might just read it on some wiki so take this with a grain of salt, but doesn't sound implausible), some worlds were intolerant and had them killed while others were progressive and tolerant and left them alone and the latter worlds got fucked by Chaos while the former were okay
again this isn't a universe where the emperors "lets all go atheist and worship nothing, there are no god don't think about them" is rather misguided to say the least, because actual gods exist
like some post before said, the primarch got fucked because they didn't really have an idea about wtf they are dealing with, iirc Fulgrim though the demon whispering is just his own thoughts, if the Emperor took 5 mins to explain Chaos and why that shit is bad for everyone they maybe wouldn't get corrupted
or they would get corrupted sooner so meh
and the last part is also debatable, the Emperor is a being with magical powers that lived for some 45k, so declaring everything attributed to hit to just be superstition is a rather extreme position
Well that poor bastard Fulgrim didn't even want to be a bad guy, he's got the whole
trapped in his own body can't do anything
LaserBuddha
Member
None of this caution requires a religion to work. Humanity can still achieve its potential through the Emperor's secularism while acknowledging that pyskers and warp entities are dangerous, just as water is wet. One does not rely on the other.
I said they only think they are helped by him as a reward for their religious devotion to him. I didn't say that they aren't helped by him. Obviously I would have to be right or the Emperor has completely contradictory views on this after getting in the chair, despite his original views being completely vindicated with the passage of time,
Well there IS Uzas.
Blood Reaver is probably my favorite 40K thing ever, it even opens with a hilarious grimdark scene that you can only laugh at because it's so ridiculous. Truly the complete 40K experience.
Then it was followed up with Void Stalker's
hey let's have the Eldar hit the reset button JUST AS PLANNED
Soul Hunter had some cool dynamics, and I liked it a lot before I read Blood Reaver, but now I'm kinda eh on it. Dat ending fight with
Malcharion
dreadnought version
Blood Angel captain
Hmmm I think we view the event differently. You see Horus as instrumental in it, but it seemed inevitable to me with or without his fall given the material conditions that shaped Angron, Curze, Lorgar, El'Jonson (THAT'S A JOKE VILIX) and Magnus' lives.
e: On a tangential note, Rogal Dorn remarks in The Crimson Fist that the Imperium is in some ways fortunate that Horus is the leader of the rebellion because he will waste the initiative gained at Istvaan V by doing his patented "strike at the head" and charge straight to Terra which the Imperium has the possibility of emerging victorious from whereas someone like Curze would have simply bled the Imperium dry by fighting a multifront, non-committed war, though given how cocked up the Thramas Crusade ended up being he might have been a little too confident in that particular brother.
Magnus only fell to chaos because the Emprah is a dick who sent the Space Wolves to bitchslap him because he defied his order to not contact him psychically. While his message wrecked Emprahs pet project in the Webway, he was trying to warn him of the Heresy. Then the Space Wolves come knocking and he needs to turn to Chaos in order to save his legion.
*note: haven't read Prospero Burns nor Thousand Sons yet.
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
Deified Data
Banned
D'awww.
More interested in the Slaanesh wedding.
More interested in the Slaanesh wedding.
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
Somebody is into the kinky stuff.
Deified Data
Banned
Nice touch, didn't notice that.
VanillaCakeIsBurning
Member
I thought Nurgle was supposed to look more grotesque then that.
Something more grotesque than a Great Unclean One at least.
Something more grotesque than a Great Unclean One at least.
Being a powerful psyker raised on a planet settled by psyker refugees who had a permissive attitude towards the regulation of psykers as a result of their background sort of damns you to be flippant about the Warp, imo.
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
That's not Nurgle, tho, just two of his followers.
lol that's just some random follower, this is what Nurgle is supposed to look like.
Also Nurgle's actually a pretty decent guy (by the standards of Chaos Gods); he saved Isha, the Goddess of Healing & Fertility, from Slaanesh and sort of took her as his 'partner'.
He might've fallen later, but before the Space Wolves came to fuck his shit up, he was decidedly loyal.
Well, not loyal enough to abide the judgment of the Council of Nikea.
I was making a deterministic argument, not one based on the lore as it allegedly happened. I apologize if there was any confusion created on my part. As it allegedly happened, the Burning of Prospero was the event that pushed him to Chaos.
AbsolutBro
Member
Also not Nurgle tho. Those are Great Unclean Ones, greater daemons of Nurgle.
Edit: And Nurgle keeps Isha in a cage and uses her to test his diseases and poxes. Not a whole lot "nice" about that.
Nikodemos
Member
Still a better fate than what Slaanesh intended.
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
Nobody said that Nurgle's love was conventional.
Nice from his point of view I suppose, only one thing he can give her as the Lord of Disease
Well there IS Uzas.
Well, no one can hate Uzas and his drool.
Nice from his point of view I suppose, only one thing he can give her as the Lord of Disease
Papa Nurgle keeps giving her all his newest and nicest plagues and diseases after he's done cooking them up in his great pot. Ain't he the best?
Well not quite. The Emperor wanted Magnus brought back for punishement. Horus instead convinces Leman to murder the hell out of the Thousand Sons.
So chalk this one up to Horus, though the Emperor is a big retard when it comes to dealing with the Primarchs.
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Vilix
Unconfirmed Member
Wasn't Russ only suppose to bring Magnus back to the emperor but the reason why the space wolves attacked Magnus was because Horus gave them false orders to?
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
TBF, Great Unclean Ones are basically lil Nurgles themselves.
Horus did that? Oh deary me, I thought it was just Russ acting up.
He was specifically worried about those two legions more than the others, since Magnus would have countered his own use of the warp and Leman is Leman and that's bad news to anyone not named Angron.