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Sony Q1 Results: $312 Million Loss
- Thread starter Parmenides
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Relatively well compared to what ? To date it has sold less than the 360 and much less than the Wii.
Well Vita(the latest product) represents a different design philosphy. A powerful system using, standard market parts and produced at an extremely slim loss margin(with supposed profit one one model). There's no reason to believe that PS4 won't follow that path.
Sorry, I meant this:
The "2011" in the x-axis got cut off for some reason (you can still see the tick at the end), but the data is still in the chart. I'd like a graph of the profit.
EDIT:
Based off of this graph:
Alright, alright.
Which is based off of this post:
Canis lupus
Member
Indeed, PSP did good, PSV is doing bad, and all of a sudden a handheld is being used for PS4 performance and not its predecessor the PS3.
shinra-bansho
Member
Its sold less than the 360 because it launched a year later. For most of this gen(and currently IIRC) they have outpaced the 360 despite being at a much higher price.
Wii was aimed at a different, more-massive market in which it went unchallenged for most of the generation at a great price compared to others in the space.
Parmenides
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Worldwide Hardware Unit Sales (Unit: Million)
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Home Console Ap-Jn'12
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(PS3 + PS2) 2.8
(360 + Wii) 1.81 (1.1 + 0.71)
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Handheld Ap-Jn'12
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(3DS + NDS) 2.4 (1.86 + 0.54)
(PSP + PSV) 1.4
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-Sources: Sony,Nintendo,Microsoft (Sell-in Numbers)So? N64 launched a year after the playstation. The GameCube and Xbox launched a year after the ps2. The wii launched at the same time as the ps3.
Ahh, sorry. I guess I would call that "cumulative operating income" or something. Net income means something else.
You're not making sense.
N64, GCN, nor XB outpaced the PS1 or PS2 at any point. What comparision are you trying to draw with this analogy?
I don't even know what your last sentence is supposed to mean...
Christ. So even when Nintendo were getting their arse handed to them in the last couple of generations they were still making more net income? No wonder they still feel happy to go their own route, as whacky and frustrating as that might seem.
Fuck. You're right. I'll fix this up in Photoshop since I didn't save the graph.
EDIT: Done.
Canis lupus
Member
I think he is saying that PS3 will never outsell 360, as N64,GCN,XB never outsold the 1st released console in their gens.
Canis lupus
Member
They sold less, but made huge profit with each sold unit. Don't forget the 200 million units the Gameboy sold.
Your excuse that the ps3 was outsold by the 360 because it came out a year later is lame because being first is never the reason a console wins a generation , just ask sega .
It also doesn't explain why the wii outsold both 360 and ps3 when it came out at the same time as ps3.
Total consoles sold isn't the be-all-end-all statistic. Profit and overall health relative to last generation should also be factored into the argument.
it is facinating how ps2 still is alive. And its usually forgotten in most discussions regarding game sales/ console wars but i has sold a very respectable number of units since this gen started, i wonder how would it compare against PS3 and 360
rather favorably. roughly 48.5m since the ps3 came out, and maybe somewhere around 63m since the xbox 360 launched (can't find exact numbers, so i'm estimating- but it would be neck and neck with the xbox 360 if i guessed right).
Canis lupus
Member
I just realized, PS2 could very well have outsold Wii last quarter. As a matter of fact it sold as much as 360 if PS3 had a slight drop.
The hardware profits were basically a wash. GBC launched at $79 and GBA at $99 (with price drops as the gen wore on) - so there wasn't a lot of profit involved per unit. And PS1 and PS2 were profitable for most of those years as well.
But Sony absolutely trounced Nintendo in software sales during those years. The difference of course was that most of Nintendo's software sold was 1st-party, whereas most of Sony's was 3rd-party. And each 1st-party unit sold is worth several 3rd-party units sold. So Nintendo was able to have marketplace turds like the N64 and GC and handhelds which always have rotten tie ratios - and still make more money than the two runaway smash successes that were the PS1 and PS2.
That's also why Sony started talking about moving towards more of a 1st-party focus as they were preparing the PS3 - because that's where the big money is if you can actually sell your 1st-party stuff.
Edit - I just remembered that the Virtual Boy catastrophe was also included in that timeframe - which makes Nintendo beating the PS1+PS2 profits even more eye-popping.
Since Kutaragi was sent off, Sony has released 2 new pieces of hardware: PSP Go and PS Vita. In your own words, please tell me how those two are doing in overall?
Canis lupus
Member
Interesting. Indeed Sony focused more on their own games this gen, hope it pays out for next gen. Last gen I really didnt pay much attention to wich game Sony made since almost everything was exclusive.
Canis lupus
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Go was more of a revision, just like PSP2000/3000 and PS3 Slim, how did they do?
xValentine
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Thank God the Camera division is doing great.
It means they can put more great products in the future no problem.
It means they can put more great products in the future no problem.
Go was a revision just like 3DS XL, right? How's Vita doing?
Sony has set/shit their bed so badly, that they'll be in serious troubles next-gen. Xbox 3 will be powerful and PS4 will go after the same market, but since Sony is bleeding money they can't afford to challenge MS as well as they wanted. Imho current Sony is a mess, and we'll see if Kaz can turn it around, but I suspect that it's a beginning of the end for Sony consoles (been for awhile actually). PS Vita is obviously their last handheld.
They were both outsold by their competition.
specialguy
Banned
they're not breaking out separate hardware ps3/vita/ps2 etc sales anymore.
this is horrible. now we'll never know who wins the gen, 360 or ps3.
i cant believe more people arent upset about this, this is crushing to me.
first npd stopped giving numbers now this?
this is horrible. now we'll never know who wins the gen, 360 or ps3.
i cant believe more people arent upset about this, this is crushing to me.
first npd stopped giving numbers now this?
i don't have any idea how i'll cope.
This. I love what Sony is doing with their SLT series. I have invested so much money on Sony lenses I hope this division will last forever.
Hiro_Kunimi_80
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this gen will end once WiiU arrive on the market
Neither , the Wii won this gen.
BoilersFan23
Member
It's sort of because Naughty Dog and their various western studios just don't care for handheld gaming. They rather focus on a console because they are console gamers.
Canis lupus
Member
It doesn't really matter the actual numbers between PS3 and 360. Bottom line is that they ended up really close to each other at the end of the day. But Sony as a company is in a very different and more precarious spot than Microsoft is right now, and the Xbox 360 on the non-gaming front has proven to be a juggernaut in getting streaming services to consumers in their living room.
Sony succeeded in making Blu-ray win the fight, but I don't think the spoils of that victory outweigh the brutal cost to their bottom line in that pursuit. HD-DVD was successful enough to showcase that Sony's Mpeg-2 technology wouldn't cut it and so they adopted Apple's video codec for blu-rays, making Apple a bigger winner.
Also, creating a super difficult platform to program for has proven to make certain titles with big open worlds play not as well, such as Bethesda's titles.
I've owned a PS1 on day 1, traded in SNES to get it. I've owned a PS2 because of GTA timed exclusivity over PC. I owned a PSP. I own a launch PS2-enabled PS3 because of the blu-ray player. So I'm not speaking as some sort of anti-Sony guy.
I saw them rise against the 3DO and Saturn to produce the most accessible and most impressive arcade-quality home machine the world had ever seen with the PS1 and have watched them struggle lately with their business model, their understanding of the market, and their ability to produce the product that people want.
Sony kind of set themselves up for failure in the next gen. By making that stupid Cell mess their machine, they pretty much guaranteed themselves to NOT support backward compatability next gen. And if Nintendo and Microsoft announce full backward compatability for the previous gen, it's game over for Sony. They can't compete with a machine that someone can trade-in their old machine for and not lose any capability on their library of games. Especially the fact that all that paid downloadable content that won't play on PS4 but will play on XboxNEXT means that even if you have to pay $50 for Xbox-live, you get the more supported experience.
xValentine
Member
Nah..
fabricated backlash
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Sony Ericsson Xperia S. Nice phone, slim and great screen. Actually Sonys phones have allways been a favorite of mine since the W800i (my original one still works flawlessly, and it's sturdy enough to open beer bottles with it.
Alright, alright.
Even on the PSX and PS2 era, Nintendo financials were incredible.
But they should totally give up and make iOS games.
JohnnySasaki86
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Wow thats crazy that even during the PS2 era Nintendio was making a lot more profit than Sony's gaming division. How is that possible? Gamecube didnt even compare to PS2's hardware and software sales. Gamecube never sold more than 25m units worldwide.
This is a good look for Sony in the end. I hope they can expand their first party by leaps and bounds next gen. I really think its the key to long term health. Third party support is extremely important, but in the days of multiplats and moneyhats, it cannot be relied on to be your breadwinner. You need to be able to stand on your own and profit should such an unfortunate scenario demand it.
They did really good this gen with their first party growth. They are going to have some good stuff ready for next gen to push hardware. LBP and all that stuff.
probably because nintendo doesn't usually sell consoles at a loss and they have a huge advantage by having Mario and Pokemon as flagship IPs where sony has never owned such powerful first party IPs , besides GT, and i am sure developing a GT game is way more expensive than any POkemon or Mario game out there.
Canis lupus
Member
You shouldnt focus on Gamecube alone, they had Gameboys remember? And like an above user said, they were selling tons of 1st party games while Sony had lots of 3rd party selling their games.
Home console gaming is only one part of Nintendo's business, they sell hardware at profit and sell millions of copies of first party software.
Well 321 million loss isn't actually that big, compared to last year as far as I remember. For the full year last year Sony recorded a 2.1 bn loss you can see that they're at least getting a bit better. Also added to that is the restructuring costs and inclusion costs for Sony Mobile. I think Sony's expecting a profit in the next year not this one, so they are on the right track.