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the Rayman Legends devs aren't happy with the delay. WiiU version done?
- Thread starter Malvingt2
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Any good news for us Wii U users? Please throw me a bone.
You are not even reading the same thread. Let the misinterpretation and mental gymnastics to experts like baconsammy.
Crossing my fingers then.
People would still be mad they couldn't get the physical release. I think it's a creative idea, but wouldn't solve the problem.
DragonSworne
Banned
There is only interesting news for Wii U
Bel_Air_Jeff
Banned
would be interesting...
doubt they'll do it.
I can see them just ignoring the backlash and sticking to their guns..
for shame, really.
darkstar0155
Member
this argument breaks down when you remember it was a planned launch game, that would have had a userbase of zero
People have already been expressing their disappointment acrosw all forms of social networking. It's up to Ubisoft to handle it from that point. I don't think it's really a majority of people speaking their minds with their wallets but people who know they're going to have multiple games to choose from at the time. I've mentioned it before and hate to sound like a broken record but Black Friday would be around the corner and this game will more than likely hit the bargain bin by then compared to GTA V or Windwaker HD.
What the hell are you talking about? More people are obviously mad that an already completed game is getting pushed back 7 months all in the name of 'launch parity'.
Ubisoft is banking on the game selling more with two additional platforms (Xbox 360 + PS3) because they have a larger user base, and that's understandable. However, when Rayman Origins released on these two platforms, their user bases were already large (130+ Million) and the game still sold like shit.
Now, it screams incompetence for this company not to release a game in 3 weeks when:
1) Nintendo practically marketed the game for them (e.g. Rayman Legends being the only playable demo at kiosks and lots of promotion via E3 and Nintendo Direct) so the 'two marketing campaigns' argument doesn't hold up.
2) As posted previously by many others, you would want to release your game in a period where your game can shine the most, and for Rayman Legends that would be this month, the month the game was supposed to be released in.
3) Other posters prior to myself also have stated that they are indeed setting up the game to 'die' in September because they lose the chance to gain any significant mind-share in the face of: competing Wii U game releases, GTA V, and post-E3 and new console hype.
Bonus) It is also pretty disrespectful to pull something like this (the delay) on Nintendo after they put so much work into promoting the game. Most likely this wouldn't of happened to either Sony or Microsoft.
I agree, it's a dumb release date. Rayman Origins had slow initial sales too & a price cut because it was released in the fall. You think they'd learn!
Art.Menegatti
Member
Rayman can't compete with Nintendo titles (aka Pikmin) at September, lol
DeuceGamer
Member
There are some comments on the Ubisoft Forums as well. I wonder how much backlash they expected? I doubt they expected this level of backlash.
If I ever get truly emotionally invested in a delay. Slap me.
It's only when games or localizations are cancelled that I get upset as there's a loss there.
It sucks but the game is real, it's coming, and will likely be improved.
Thats true, forgot about BF sales. This is just idiotic of Ubisoft not to release this game when there is so much hype surrounding it. The demo was getting rave reviews from just about anyone who played it. It would have sold well on Wii U (relatively to how many systems have sold), because of how good the demo was, and how barren the game selection is right now on the platform. Pushing it off into the mix of holiday sales and surrounded by AAA titles, I really don't know what they are thinking.
It stings a lot more when the game is supposed to come out in 3 weeks, and it being delayed for no good reason at all. If two months ago, Ubisoft said that it would be delayed until Sept 2013, I would still be mad about the delay, but it would be a much better position than it is now.
This would be similar to saying Sonic All stars Racing, Demon Souls, or any other game that eventually comes to PC at a later date to hold up all the console versions three weeks before it comes out. Reason: "well, it will be a cheaper marketing push if we wait". The reason is bullshit.
At this point I'm half expecting Pikmin to get delayed to next year.
It doesn't because now the know the installed base and how their sw sells. They didn't before launch. In other words they were expecting more and adapting their strategy. Not that I welcome this decision.
TheDrowningMan
Member
It's relative. At the moment, people have the pitchforks out, but if Ubisoft announce an eShop release along with PR bullshit about doing this due to "overwhelming passion from our fans" while explaining that they want "retail synergy" entwined with some nonsense about production lines and a lot of people will suddenly think "hey, at least they listened and tried to work around it..." and, well, I don't see a downside.
Wonder if this has anything to do with it.
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/112562-Microsoft-Doesnt-Want-Sonys-Sloppy-Seconds
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/112562-Microsoft-Doesnt-Want-Sonys-Sloppy-Seconds
Bel_Air_Jeff
Banned
I know I'm certainly much more interested in Rayman than Pikmin 3. Surely I can't be alone on that.
darkstar0155
Member
what else could they have expected at this point, other than maybe another million sales in a best case scenario? I swear, people are acting like the hardware sales are absolutely bombing (and you know this decision wasnt just made yesterday, they would have made this decision based on Nov/Dec sales, which were all good)
BruiserBear
Banned
There is also this thing called "time", and there is a limited amount of it in each day.
So during this month of February, and even March, I have a lot of available gaming time each day. No other games are on my gaming radar right now.
During September, when this game will now be released, I could be potentially playing the new Madden, or the Wonderful 101, or Pikmin 3, or whatever games come out during that busy time of the year. Not to mention two brand new consoles are coming out soon after that, so I might begin to hold onto my money just a little tighter, in preparation for that.
So yeah, that's how this thing we call time works. I have lots of it now, but I won't have lots of it in September, and Rayman most likely won't be a priority or may not be as important as to be prioritized ahead of other games at that time. Right now though? It would be the priority of many of us, due to limited competition.
Ah ok. First it was money, now Rayman isn't worth the time.
I'm mostly kidding, but just noticing the reasons changing.
While speculation on my part I'd say twice as much in Europe.
But it in Sept & play it next Feb or game droughty month?
darkstar0155
Member
well its def. doing bad in europe, but when america is the biggest gaming market it doesnt make sense to make financial decisions based on your smaller markets
Or, he could just wait until next Feb when it's down to $20 or less because it hasn't sold like gangbusters and get it on the cheap.
walking fiend
Member
You aren't alone; but the thing is that by then, Nintendo probably has released other games beside Pikmin, and so have other publishers beside Nintendo; but more interestingly, for PS360, there will be a lot of releases by then.
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Though I don't deny that Rayman was going to be sent to death the way they stopped promoting this year; I actually wanted to create a thread if it is going to bomb very hard being released in few weeks without any hype or marketing; however, that was probably because they had already decided that they didn't want to ship it.
Sure, if he doesn't care about Rayman, that is also a solution.
Aizu_Itsuko
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So are they waiting for a bigger installed base or is it related to the multiplatform news? Either way, this game is pretty much sent to die if it releases in September.
Definitely, though nearly all Sep releases will be cheap by the next Feb to be fair.
BruiserBear
Banned
Noticing who's reasons changing? Why do you feel the need to insincerely lump everyone in this thread together? I have replied twice before explaining my position, and it's been the same every time.
Feburary = slow time
Septebmer = busy time
Busy time = more scrutiny of gaming expenditures, less gaming time available, thus it's quite possible many just skip over Rayman.
Some people budget their gaming dollars. How many people do you realistically see for example, choosing Rayman Legends for $60 instead of Grand Theft Auto 5? Think about that for a minute.
darkstar0155
Member
and you could always make the argument, if this came out at launch (and zombiU wasnt such a buggy disaster, i know people who have held off buying it for that reason) maybe the sales would have been higher
I am seeing that I made the mistake that it was Rayman fans bitching about the delay. I am realizing I was wrong.
BruiserBear
Banned
You were wrong to a degree. Let me explain since you seem so puzzled by all of this.
Rayman is a cool franchise, and I liked Origins a lot, but it is not going to carry the same weight as the titans of the industry.
Most people would choose Halo, or GTA, or Uncharted, or Mario Kart, etc, over a Rayman game. That is why it's usually wise for publishers of smaller franchises to get out of the way of those big boys, because while people may like your smaller franchise, it's quite likely they're not going to choose your niche game over the big giant game that's coming the same month, and a lot of people just don't have unlimited funds each month to buy every game that might interest them.
Not those Nintendo titles.
t.t
It's possible he merely doesn't care about Rayman as much as other titles releasing in September.
Saint Gregory
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Sounds like a reasonable theory to me. Ubi is definitely holding the game back so they can release all versions on the same day so this could be why.
Don't kill the messenger.
Well luckily they can also use (and are) Miiverse to send additional messages to Ubi.
frankie_baby
Member
if such a policy exists it breaches EU regulations and thus can not be enforced in europe
I am just coming from a different place. I like Rayman, I have it paid off, if I have other games to play in Sept, I'll just wait to play my copy when I have a free moment.
I'll respect that it's not worth it for you in Sept.
look around you, what do you see...?
Can't see the downside if it really is done. No need to worry about retailers marking down physical copies, and they get to relaunch later with the other versions.
Won't happen though.
Baconsammy
Banned
Management most likely made their initial decision based off of Nintendo's own estimates for Wii U sales. While it is in fact a crappy situation for people that thought they'd be playing it in Feb, the actual crappy situation is Wii U sales, and the delay of the one big title it had in the first half of the year being gone doesn't better the situation. But that's not Ubisoft's fault. That's on Nintendo.
Sorry, that's on me. Poor syntax. What I meant to say is I won't support it in order to support the devs. That means I might still buy it, but that won't be out of a choice to support the devs. I don't think the devs' hard work means they deserve me buying the game despite of this decision. I can't separate the "corporation" from the "devs". And I detest the way these employees are treated, so I'm even less inclined to buy it, hearing how their lives have been for the last months. The devs need to stand up against this behaviour. All in all, we can "vote with our money" and do all this political non-sense from the outside, that will hardly affect sales.
Game developers simply need to understand that it's not such a privilege to work in the game industry, that they'll put up with any crap thrown their way. That is not to say that they have the final say in this decision; I mean the work-culture has to shift away from year long crunch-times. It's detrimental to everyone.
I admire the passionate souls that work so hard for this stuff. I don't admire the way they are abused.
Colonel Mustard
Banned
I like Rayman, I'm a fan of Rayman. I've beat pretty much every Rayman game that's been released. (Even stuff like Arena)
There are games, given their release time-frame that I would pick over Rayman. GTA and Pokemon come to mind. It's not too difficult to grasp.
It's the easiest thing to bypass. Ubisoft is given a wad of cash, and they say "no, we just have to delay the game, it has nothing to do with Microsoft's alleged policy". Hell, maybe even the prospect of selling a lot more copies is enough for Ubisoft.
I see the Microsoft's policy as one contender, but look at the way it has exposed the Wii U? It's become so stagnant, MS and Sony might be succeeding in making it completely irrelevant. Don't be surprised if this continuous flow of "leaks" are controlled leaks that shift all eyes towards what's coming, and away from the Wii U. The Wii U had a big hitter this month, Rayman, and with this delay, combined with more leaks, everyone seems to forgetting about the Wii U. And they might be succeeding in keeping prospective buyers away from the Wii U for long enough that when they line up with their 350$ to get a premium by summer, their new consoles will already be released. And hey, it's just "a few month away" - why not just skip the Wii U and go for the next gen console?
MS and Sony know this is their chance to diminish Nintendo's market share, and capture the enormous casual market they've been getting a raging hard on ever since a year before the managed to squeeze out Kinect and Move in order to steal away from Nintendo. They just might be succeeding.
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