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How fucking good are King Crimson?
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Watcher of the Skies
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cmon man Tarkus and Brain Salad Surgery is awesome! How can you like early KC and not like Greg Lake's singing on ELP?!
Also by noticing your name I'm guessing you love Genesis too
their on tour this year in the US! go do it!
I have listened from ELP to Brain Salad Surgery, i have to admit that Emerson, Lake and Palmer (The album from 1970) is good, but their music is always too complicated and soulless (for me) not a fan i think Dream Theater suffers the same problem awesome musicians but boring music), yes i love Genesis from Trespass to Wind and Wuthering they are awesome, i have to admit i like pop Genesis too (sorry haha)
Much appreciated.
Watcher of the Skies
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There are dozens of us (Genesis pop era fans).
Atom Heart Mother
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Pop Genesis is great, but Gabriel Genesis is number one. Duke is a great album from 80s Genesis
kruis
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I consider The First Day and Damage unofficial KC albums.
https://www.dgmlive.com/news/sylvian-fripp-reissued
Love Duke, arguably the last truly great album they did instead of "a side" or "a bunch of songs".
And, tbh, my favorite Genesis period is the early Phil years, from A Trick of the Tail to Duke. 3 amazing albums out of 4 (ATTW3 is... a mixed bag) after losing 2 crucial bandmembers isn't so bad
Anyway, back to KC. Absent Lovers... brilliant way to end the 80s incarnation, isn't it? Scorching live album.
JadedWriter
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What even is Neal and Jack and Me even about?
JadedWriter
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That's it? I guess one should never read too much into Fripp lyrics.
Master Of Illusion
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I understand the ELP argument. Dream Theater is my favorite band, but I can see how they can come across as too clinical outside the Kevin Moore albums.
Love Duke, arguably the last truly great album they did instead of "a side" or "a bunch of songs".
And, tbh, my favorite Genesis period is the early Phil years, from A Trick of the Tail to Duke. 3 amazing albums out of 4 (ATTW3 is... a mixed bag) after losing 2 crucial bandmembers isn't so bad
80's Genesis has inconsistent albums but damn great tracks. If it weren't for me having to replace "Your Own Special Way" for "Inside And Out" on Wind & Wuthering's track listing I'd call that the weakest of the early Phil / neo-prog era LP's (I actually really like ...And Then There Were Three...).
to be fair, those were (like pretty much every other lyrical track on the album) Belew's lyrics. I don't think Fripp is much of a lyric writer.
1) Dream Theater up until Six Degrees is fucking great. I don't really like them after that. Just... no.
2) Wind and Wuthering starts (first 2 songs) and ends (from "Blood on the Rooftops" onwards) really really strong. It's just that the middle is completely unremarkable to me.
After listening to the three albums I have on CD a bit more...
You did this to me, GAF. You. Did. This.
Good man, though you should get the Steven Wilson remixes. They sound incredible (and are Fripp-approved...Fripproved?) even if you don't have a 5.1 setup!
Master Of Illusion
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I mean you don't really need to wait for reissues on those 80's albums as it's pretty easy to get your hands on clean OG pressings.
I wasn't even aware of these! Must have missed your previous comment about them in this thread. I'll have to seek those out.
This is true... We'll see. I think I've got enough to listen to for the time being, anyway.
stump sock
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Bruford bailed on Yes right on the cusp of them losing direction and joined Crimson right when they were getting their second wind. one of the all-time greatest timing of changing bands.
I only know King Crimson because of JoJo
JadedWriter
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Ok this makes more sense. I didn't think Fripp was ever known to be a wordsmith.
as a matter of personal preference, I think Relayer is a wonderful album, one in which Alan White's drumming is on fire - and Tales from Topographic Oceans is a (very) flawed gem. Lots of great ideas and moments lost within a very obtuse package.
I do see what you mean, though. Bruford's tenure with KC is pretty damn amazing.
he has a very nice blog, though. I think he enjoys writing without the constraint of fitting the lyrics into a musical context - or maybe he felt other people's lyrics were more appropriate to each of the band's incarnations.
JadedWriter
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I should look for this, but for some odd reason I'm imagining his blog to be highly pretentious.
Might go to this one. Feel I need to see them in my lifetime.
Tickets go on sale this Friday for most of the shows.
I'm going to try for Austin
I know it's not the "perfect" lineup for the band, but it's likely the best we'll get before they all retire for good.
BTW, these 200-gram releases sound awesome. Would love to get the remaining albums on vinyl at some point...
I'm going to try for Austin
and maybe Dallas
I know it's not the "perfect" lineup for the band, but it's likely the best we'll get before they all retire for good.
BTW, these 200-gram releases sound awesome. Would love to get the remaining albums on vinyl at some point...
frankie_baby
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I think an old friend of mines dad was in king crimson at one point, never really listened to them though so cant comment if they were any good
even if they aren't suited to your particular tastes, they are an incredibly influential band with an enduring musical legacy, a band that cared not for musical boundaries and sought to reinvent itself with the passing of the years.
Beer Monkey
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Hmm. I may have to go to the Cleveland gig.
Does anybody know the presale code for Thursday?
EDIT: Does DGM have any full shows (audio) of the current lineup for sale on their site? It's terrible.
Does anybody know the presale code for Thursday?
EDIT: Does DGM have any full shows (audio) of the current lineup for sale on their site? It's terrible.
isaacnukem
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Very. At least In The Court of the Crimson King is. They're considered as one of the best prog bands of all time.
Great and very creative band, the debut was a very important album as far as defining the genre, Red is obviously a classic with some very strong songwriting, the musicianship is great across the board.. especially the drumwork by Bruford is amazing on that album. I know it's not considered one of their best but I always enjoyed Lizard a lot.. spent a lot of time listening to that album.
That said, I think my favourite out of the classic brit progrock bands is Jethro Tull. 70's JT is just gold. Aqualung, Thick as a Brick, Heavy Horses etc..
Camel is certainly underrated too. Mirage is one of the finest prog albums ever recorded.
That said, I think my favourite out of the classic brit progrock bands is Jethro Tull. 70's JT is just gold. Aqualung, Thick as a Brick, Heavy Horses etc..
Camel is certainly underrated too. Mirage is one of the finest prog albums ever recorded.
Dragon Puncher
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They're awesome and one of the most important rock bands of the 70's in my opinion. And the sheer technical mastery of the reinvented 80's Crimson with Andian Bellow, Tony Levin and Bill Bruford is just insane. The live album Absent Lovers from 1984 is probably my favorite Crimson album of all time.
They're on the iTunes store, but I'm not sure how to search their streaming service (which is Apple Music now).
Here's some Youtube links from the thread, though;
In terms of albums, "In the Court of the Crimson King", "In the Wake of Poseidon" and "Red" are definitely must-listens, in my opinion. I'm also a big fan of "Lark's Tongue in Aspic." But KC has been around a long time and with the exception of Robert Fripp a lot of people have come and gone, constantly changing the tone and style of the music, so there's no way to say "This is King Crimson" when an album or two later their sound has morphed into something quite different.
Beer Monkey
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The presale codes for RADIO/VENUE in Cleveland are BASSLINE and KEYBOARD.
If anybody has the Citibank presale code please post it here. The codes I have seem to be available only for the right and left sections, not center, in the top pricing tier. A bit of a bummer.
If anybody has the Citibank presale code please post it here. The codes I have seem to be available only for the right and left sections, not center, in the top pricing tier. A bit of a bummer.
