Jake Tower
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I think there is cynical truth to this.
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Epic knows PS4/NEXTXBOX specs - [Giving recommendations w/ commercial mindedness]
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Thunder Monkey
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Even "decent" tech increases aren't going to make games look much better than they do today.
Hot Coldman
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So long as Unreal is still the hyper-dependable post for which developers without the resources to build their own engines can dance around, helping prop up the industry, then I'm happy. That's what Unreal means to me. Hopefully they realise too that they are proponents of industry efficiency first and foremost, not industry evolution.
I've been saying this for a very long time now, the next generation of home consoles will be a modest leap over the HD twins at best. It will be a 'super' gen, a cooldown generation, where the harcware power consolidates, and software development costs come under control. This just reaffirms that belief.
PC is also dominated by word of mouth and a steam interface that pushes indie games through deals. Console sales are dominated by 30 second TV spots.
Twenty7KVN
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News flash cliffyB gamers don't want to pay $600+ for a system that's the size of a fridge.
I'm pretty sure someone posted that already.
Not even close to that yet. Infrastructure is not there to support it, heck its not there to support a DD only future yet. And you have to get everyone on board for DD before you can even think of going that route.
walking fiend
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Sure it hasn't got anything to do with $600 PS3, PSP with no games, PSV being DOA, etc., RROD, Japanese developers becoming mostly irrelevant, western devs shutting down, etc.?
I'm being practical, a lot of great developers went busted this gen even after selling what would have been considered a great number of software in the last gen.
So consoles adapt or die. Either way is fine, and better than limping along as mediocre half-measures.
Yes, I'm quite certain that particular line of "hardware performance = development costs and therefore weak hardware = good for developers" argument has little to do with those. It was introduced during (and has been championed since) the Wii release.
Wii changed everything. That model no longer is desirable by console manufacturers.
To be honest $299 or $399 60fps, 1080p with A LOT better texture is all I want for next gen.
axisofweevils
Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
For the sake of the industry, I hope Sony and Microsoft tell Epic to go away.
unfortunately for Sony thats a much bigger problem for them than for MS. Abandoning the cell to go more to a PC architecture is going to be a huge PR problem for them and for their PSN service.
The next generation of at least the HD twins seems to be going more for a reset, which is good, i'm just curious to see how Sony handles it.
rollingstart
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If anyone's worrying about price, there are worse ways to increase it. Xbox costs $100 more with Kinect. Wii U already requires its tablet controller, and if Durango requires Kinect and PS4 requires its 'unique' add-on, I'm guessing the baseline cost for MS/Sony's consoles will be north of $400 by a fair amount. Next gen is going to be expensive.
If they listen to Epic, we'll need 3 jobs and have to trick ourselves in our sleep.
And budgets are still getting higher and higher for each gen despite everyone saying "well they are making games like CG movies and they dont need to scale down the graphics no Moreno they will save lots of monies!" type of BS that gets said every gen
X86 architecture has nothing to do with PSN.
Hot Coldman
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Eh? They're not giving away anything close to concrete details at all. And to certain extents Epic has a good amount of leverage over Sony and MS- they can do stuff like this. It's called lobbying.
Boss Man
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First post nailed it.
I just hope this is an actual jump. I don't want another $599 console, but I am equally opposed to them treating hardware like Nintendo has been.
Thunder Monkey
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A few championed it before. *cough*
But I could see the writing on the wall when devs were projecting next-gen engine development to cost on the order of 20-30 times prior costs.
it has a lot to do with abandoning your catalog that is programmed to run on cell.
I believe it has more to do with seeing good studios close, the rest consolidated under a few "evil" corporations, $60 games, $60 games not being enough so you have to pay extra for endings, quests, the rest of the character roster, etc etc, online passes, developers and publishers pushing to kill the used market and companies outright saying development costs are driving them out of business.
Reasonable people given a choice of "whoa, lets reign this is in" or seeing it crash and burn will choose the reign it in option.
I'm not reasonable though, the way the industry has been acting so blindly, foolishly and extremely, blatantly and flaunting its anti-consumer i say let it burn.
Well in this case a lot of people see correlation as causation. HD systems come out, revenues go up, more and more companies either make smaller profits or lose hundreds of millions year on year, a slew of studios close.
Under that context, attributing it entirely to the introduction of the Wii is absolutely ridiculous.
720p at a locked 30fps is going to be the target for most devs next gen.
Thunder Monkey
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The issue seems to be (at least in my case) those that believe they can compete, and those that don't.
I know consoles can't compete. Unless case sizes and power usage increases on a scale we've never seen, consoles will not just be behind, but by a metric fuckton.
Forsaken82
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Because they would rather pay 400 dollars for a console than 600 or more?
This has been happening since the early 90s. Was the 486DX2 too powerful or could it be that a variety of different reasons are responsible for the closure/consolidation of great development studios?
Criminal Upper
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Why do they NEED to be more powerful again? Do we REALLY need it?
BrainZEROX
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Stop your BS Sweeney, you don't know what I want.Tim Sweeney said:
What I want is something reasonably more powerful than my PS3 and I also want it reliable, silent, affordable and not requiring half the output a Nuclear plant produces. Plus, I also don't want it to destroy the gaming industry so I can enjoy more games on my next console.
So stop Tim. Stop now. I can afford and build a super powered PC if I want RT Avatar stuff but I don't care. The thing I want are good games, not technological demoes.
walking fiend
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Yes, but that's only one of the reason people don't want next gen consoles to use high end tech (and obviously cost proportionally more).
Also, I believe we just recently have two comments regarding next gen dev costs, one from Ubisoft and one from Warren Spector; I guess there are definitely more insightful than some random people arguing whether costs will increase or not.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-05-16-ubisoft-discusses-next-generation-game-budgets
http://www.gamezone.com/products/xbox-720/news/warren-spector-worried-by-next-gen-costs
(sorry at random sites, just linked whatever google brought up)
Thunder Monkey
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Earlier than that actually.
Consolidation has been a mainstay of this industry for nearly as long as it has existed.
well, we could still all be playing games on colecovision or atari
You mean 60fps right?
Thunder Monkey
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Yeah... like they could afford to make it.
Pureauthor
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And at the same time, it was only during the advent of the PS3/360 era where being a graphics whore became something to be lauded instead of something to be mocked. So I don't see how that's a relevant issue.
mugurumakensei
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Courtesy of kotaku... Every game studio closed since 2006.
Along with this, the entirety of THQ will be closed soon.
^^ I won't get into a list war, but there were tons of companies closed and/or bought up before 2010.
Probably, the early 90s is just as far back as I know for certain that it has been happening. (Fuck 90s EA)
What are you even talking about? Enjoying good graphics in games has been something that was just completely normal for every single gamer -- at least until the introduction of the Wii. That's how I remember it.
tinfoilhatman
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Unless it's a big enough jump in power there's no reason for me to purchase, might as well go fulltime iOS gaming or back to PC gaming.
I want native 1080p with good quality AA and texture filtering, is that really to much to ask for?
I want native 1080p with good quality AA and texture filtering, is that really to much to ask for?
Thunder Monkey
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The stronger the consoles, the better for me. Just because there's more power there, it doesn't mean that it has to be utilized. Plus, as devs learn the consoles, the games won't hit a graphical ceiling as quickly. I'm not exactly sure why anyone wouldn't want more powerful consoles. I would rather pay another 100$ then have a console with games that don't look as good as they could have.
It's my opinion this is true. And it'll be in the form of an iOS device with bluetooth controller support.
Which is why Epic wants MS and Sony to go big. Because if they can't outclass them on the graphics front, the 60 dollar AAA game will go the way of the middle tier games.
More like people who aren't backwards thinkers. It's obvious to anyone who sees the industry clearly. This is a desperate attempt to defend the 60 dollar blockbuster market (of which certain developers make a whole lot of money on). The day the 60 dollar game looks no different than your average iOS game, is the day the 60 dollar market collapses unto itself.
Thunder Monkey
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Yeah, that's nonsense. It's increasingly obvious that the industry's headed for another crash if it can't drop the AAA arms race - it has nothing to do with championing Nintendo.
Thanks for not reading my post ...
Earlier gen was PS2 era, there was no shaders and they werent doing milion poly models that they've normal mapped!