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Team Bondi (LA Noire) bankrupt, studio assets to be sold to KMM
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-Pyromaniac-
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lol damn, and the responses by some people are the icing on the cake.DaBuddaDa said:
Anyway I don't really care about this, hope the people who will lose their jobs are alright, but Team Bondi in general, meh.
gundamkyoukai
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It was crazy how long this game took and how much money must have went into it .
Sony put 20 million into it and that was around 5 years ago .
This gen for killing allot of devs but you can see bad management had allot to do with that .
Sony put 20 million into it and that was around 5 years ago .
This gen for killing allot of devs but you can see bad management had allot to do with that .
ElRenoRaven
Member
So it's really happening. Damn I feel for all those ex Team Bondi people who are now stuck working with that asshole again and what's left of his studio
It's funny when you contrast how reasonable David Cages comments were and then the hate storm that followed. :riplolemote:
To be fair, Versus XIII has followed the same silly Square Enix tactic of 'announce it a year o two before we even start working on it, and the spend another year + working on it as a side project whilst working on another project before we begin full production'. Team ICO? No excuses, although at least they are involved and working on the ICO/SotC ports so you can technically say that they were involved in putting something out whilst they've spent for ever on their new game.
Sho_Nuff82 said:Ridiculously long dev times are beginning to creep up a bit more lately.
Not counting GT5 and RDR, because Polyphony and Rockstar actually released other products.
To be fair, Versus XIII has followed the same silly Square Enix tactic of 'announce it a year o two before we even start working on it, and the spend another year + working on it as a side project whilst working on another project before we begin full production'. Team ICO? No excuses, although at least they are involved and working on the ICO/SotC ports so you can technically say that they were involved in putting something out whilst they've spent for ever on their new game.
Neuromancer
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Sucks for the guys and girls who slaved away on this game for so many years. What a shitty situation.
SolidSnakex
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Ushojax said:
That's a poor argument to use when talking about what went down here. This doesn't have a lot to do with powerful consoles. Team Bondi's issues come from incredibly bad management. There are several stories (and emails) showing just how bad it was there.
BlazingDarkness
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So you have Team Bondi shipping 4 million units of LA Noire and going bankrupt, and then you have Atlus shipping 200K units of Catherine and profiting with the highest Atlus launch to date.
Funny old world
Funny old world
gundamkyoukai
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Sho_Nuff82 said:
Joe Shlabotnik
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AAK said:
I suspect that the publishing deal was exceedingly favorable towards Rockstar and probably guaranteed little for Team Bondi other than funding to complete the game. But they were desperate.
Hypereides
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Okay, am I the only whose surprised about this? I thought the game sold like a fuckton across the globe.
B_Rik_Schitthaus
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It wouldn't be shocking to find out that Team Ico plan long dev times, I doubt they have hundreds of people working long hours(thou I could be wrong.)Zen said:
Princess Skittles
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One game cost a zillion dollars to make, the other one didn't.BlazingDarkness said:
But yeah, I have comment a lot recently on how this is going to make or break the industry in the coming years. If things don't change, I can't see how the market can continue without completely cratering.
-Pyromaniac-
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Team Ico is a tiny ass team aren't they?
Lostconfused
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Remember realtime worlds and APB? Remember how they pissed away more than 150 million on that game? With bad management nobody gets out alive.PSFan said:
DangerStepp
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So the facial animation technology used in L.A. Noire is what bankrupt them? Please link me to the source!DaBuddaDa said:
Natural Selection at work.Ushojax said:
If the price for vastly more powerful consoles is that only the best developer are left standing, I am all for it.
If making a hit like LA Noire isn't enough to keep you afloat...well then maybe you are incompetent at your chosen business.
AgentChris
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Team ICO is like 40 people tops.B_Rik_Schitthaus said:
Littleberu
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gblues said:
Yes, yes they do. Bungie did it, Blizzard did it, Naughty Dog probably did it.
Infinite Justice
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-Pyromaniac- said:
Yea i dont think it passes 40 (could be wrong)
B_Rik_Schitthaus
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There was a post somewhere else on Gaf detailing how the game before Rockstars involvement was a brawling game and had many more sections to it, scraping all that and retooling all the game play would have cost an assload of time.DangerStepp said:
DangerStepp
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Yeah, I saw a link earlier; just came to post an edit. Thanks!B_Rik_Schitthaus said:
Sad situation all around.
B_Rik_Schitthaus
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And I love each and everyone of them.AgentChris said:
Certainly compared to GTA/RDR it's not great. But it's more than Bully I believe.JaseC said:
Even at full price that's only like $140M for the publisher.
I don't think people know or care where games come from. Although just to be clear, I've been playing it lately, and it's incredible. I'm not bagging on the game.DennisK4 said:
-Pyromaniac-
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I'm surprised so many HATED on David Cage for saying what he said, it sounded perfectly reasonable. GAF needs to reflect.
Grimm Fandango
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There are no happy endings working for Rockstar.
What a bullshit company.
What a bullshit company.
nincompoop
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The games industry will learn nothing from this and continue to push towards games with ridiculously over the top budgets which are guaranteed to ruin the lives of everybody involved with making them.
DangerStepp
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Let's be realistic here... with each console generation aren't we just making the full circle back to PC anyway? It's the alpha and omega of gaming and I'm bookmarking this for future "told you so" reference.DennisK4 said:
-Pyromaniac-
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I was thinking more along the lines of "are we as smart as we think we are" but that tooDennisK4 said:
B_Rik_Schitthaus
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Rockstar owning the IP outright and the massive miss management shows that this shouldn't bebobbytkc said:
used as an indicator for the greater industry.
Those sales did turn into profit but just not for Bondi.
StealthGoblin
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-Pyromaniac- said:
Exactly. You can say what you like about Heavy Rain and its flaws, but Cage was right about this. Sony look like they bailout.gif'd just at the optimum time. As we've seen several times, if its financially viable and is groundbreaking tech, Sony tend to go for it. They obviously weighed up the cost and sustainability of the L.A Noire tech and concluded it wasn't worth the extra investment.
DangerStepp
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I'm not surprised, but then again many probably came to the thread with a fire beneath their rear. He's one of those cats that people are predisposed to hating.-Pyromaniac- said:
He makes bold claims and thus gets the Dyak/Molyneaux treatment around here.
BlazingDarkness
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Well that's my point, many people would argue that Catherine is a much better game than L.A Noire, it sold much less but Atlus still made a profit.Princess Skittles said:
Developers need to budget better