512MB GDDR3 was used in the 360. GDDR is used as VRAM because of its speed and low latency. The current rumour pegs the expensive GDDR5 to be a single pool (UMA) in PS4 amounting to 4GB. The percentage to be used for gfx and system related functions would be the developer's prerogative.
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VGLeaks: PlayStation 4 "Orbis" Roadmap
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512MB GDDR3 was used in the 360. GDDR is used as VRAM because of its speed and low latency. The current rumour pegs the expensive GDDR5 to be a single pool (UMA) in PS4 amounting to 4GB. The percentage to be used for gfx and system related functions would be the developer's prerogative.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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I love this thread.
Baconsammy
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Negligible most likely. Services are going to differentiate the two, is my guess. And software obviously.
Risk Breaker
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IMHO Sony has spoken too much about stacking not to go DDR4 stacked. Then again I don't know anything about the hardware yet.
I've been wanting to know how expensive would DDR4 be versus GDDR5 and DDR3, and how fast could it reasonably be. Would 6GB of unified DDR4 be good? 5GB?
Using so few cores sounds weird though. After Cell, you would imagine Sony's first party are used to using several threads in an efficient and effective way, no?
I've been wanting to know how expensive would DDR4 be versus GDDR5 and DDR3, and how fast could it reasonably be. Would 6GB of unified DDR4 be good? 5GB?
Using so few cores sounds weird though. After Cell, you would imagine Sony's first party are used to using several threads in an efficient and effective way, no?
No source I don't give a shit about rumors , I'm merely stating the minimum amount of RAM that I would accept as a baseline for "next gen" consoles.
KillerMan91
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I would hope that for once they actually launched in mainland Europe first. Reward us for supporting PlayStation brand even trough its dark times! Hell even PSP still sells decently here (dat 99€ price point).
This company which will deliver more and better exclusives as fast as possible will win. If anything this generation proved that who is first/last who has name and how much marketshare it had is worthless.
My bet is Sony. They did their homework and they expanded their studios. And a lot of Sony dev studios are now creating games for next gen console from Sony.
GT6, Uncharted 4, New IP from GG, Other QD project, Media Molecule project and many more have more than 2 years of dev time before PS4 release.
As of hardware. If rumor is true 4GB of GDDR5 would be sweet spot combined with 4GB DD3 memory.
My bet is Sony. They did their homework and they expanded their studios. And a lot of Sony dev studios are now creating games for next gen console from Sony.
GT6, Uncharted 4, New IP from GG, Other QD project, Media Molecule project and many more have more than 2 years of dev time before PS4 release.
As of hardware. If rumor is true 4GB of GDDR5 would be sweet spot combined with 4GB DD3 memory.
Proelite
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It's devkits made for Sony engineers to write their Operating OS ala Metro / blades, ehih probably means hardware is finalized and locked down. Game developers had devkits with the game handling OS ready a long one ago.
BloodMoney
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*scratching head
Started early... as in my jab at halo, or in reference to gaming... i.e my name, which refers to an Amiga title released by Psygnosis in the late 80's
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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Edit: nvm.
eighty(one)
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I agree. I feel that Sony will want to be the gaming company, in the living space. MS wants to be the entertainment hub in the living space. It depends on each consumer and what they prioritize.
Betrayer of hope
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It must be deja vu for developers like naughty dog who had to throw away all their code when jumping from last gen to ps3.
Ken promised his first party teams that the cell would be future proof and a scalable architecture meaning they could improve on it and gain notible power performance improvements.
So it must be galling to sony's top tier teams to hear these sort of stuff. ofcourse the rumours could all be wrong and you would have a new more powerful faster version of the cell in the ps4 which would then mean great launch games from the get go and gran turismo being out in the first few years of the ps4
MikeE21286
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Mike is hungry too..he wants to eat. 2 spoons required for this entree
That's a great point. Generate hype where the console arena is lacking.
Gordon0Freeman
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Getting both the Durango and Orbis is the only way to go. Orbis for its exclusives. Durango for third party and for Halo, Destiny, and whatever other first party games it has to offer.
And yes, I know Destiny is not exclusive
Yeah that is the biggest unknown. Almost all their studios now are creating nextgen games for more than 2 years. If they will deliver GT6 at lunch it will be mayor boost in sales and a lot of early adopters.
And finally industry will move on from this gen.
Metalmurphy
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Exactly, and that's all it had, (well and the 10mb edram). He's saying there will be aditional RAM besides the 4GB GDDR5 and this one will be used exclusively as VRAM.
That makes a lot more sense than wasting GDDR5 for OS tasks.
Oh ok. Yea, this is the reason people are uneasy about how much the OS might potentially take up of this precious resource in the beginning (because inevitably, like in this gen, Sony will work to continually reduce its footprint). I am hoping it being not north of 256MB (given what has been accomplished with 50MB which came down from a whopping 120MB at the beginning of the gen... imagine that) unless it features some dedicated hardware like kinect that would be ram hog. If that's the case, then I assume they opt to go the way of MS.
You're in the wrong hobby son
Metalmurphy
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But that PLUS 4GB GDDR5 dedicated as VRAM is just wishful thinking. There's no way that's happening.
GravityMan
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I would rather have 4 GB of GDDR5 RAM than 8 GB of DDR3 RAM. So in that sense, I approve of Orbis if this rumor is true.
Risk Breaker
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How about 3 GDDR5 + 3 DDR3 (1GB for OS)?
You're getting it backwards, I think. No one is saying that the GDDR5 is going to be dedicated VRAM.
Right hobby, just different priorities. I have no problem with power, since I'm typing this post from an gaming computer with an i5 2500k and HD7870.
I can see that. If at all possible I could see them trying to squeeze out no profit and no loss per console lost. One of Sony's expenses, just like Apple, is higher end parts. Microsoft, Samsung, etc all have cheaper plastic, metal etc compared to Sony/Apple.
It would be weird to see a cheap product from either but even Apple is rumored to be working on a cheaper iPhone. This is something Sony must also be considering when considering where to cut costs. The Slim 2.0 hints that they will entertain that idea.
Europe may be the new battle ground. Sony owns Japan (not including Nintendo in this match up) and Microsoft owns America. Europe seems like a a good place to start a console invasion.
BloodMoney
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I'd argue that 1st person title preference should be the only driving factor in everyone's next gen console decision. For the first time, in a long time, 3rd party titles will be best on PC with Durango and Obis running ports (as compared to the current practice of the PC getting the port).
There is no way in hell i will be playing Star Wars 1313 or Watch Dogs on a console.
There is no way in hell i will be playing Star Wars 1313 or Watch Dogs on a console.
No in the post im referring to I specifically said 4GB GDDR5 plus 2GB DDR3
TimeEffect
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"The PS4 has less RAM but is using faster GDDR ram, so the overall performance should be a wash."
What this mean?
I dont understand tech, is one more significantly more powerful? Will Sony be crippled by RAM again? Multitasking sounds important. Will third party play to any strengths of systems or serve the lowest common denominator?
What this mean?
I dont understand tech, is one more significantly more powerful? Will Sony be crippled by RAM again? Multitasking sounds important. Will third party play to any strengths of systems or serve the lowest common denominator?
SniperHunter
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agreed. except for sleeping dogs and dishonored (I didn't even play all the big releases though)
JimmyRustler
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Buying both, no matter what.
yeah i didn't understand that at all either.
BloodMoney
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Current rumor's dont appear to support that setup, but i agree it would be a great solution. Run the OS on the DDR3 and let developers allocate the DDR5 as they see fit.
Karak
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One is faster than the other and if MS doesn't use another kind of memory architecture it will have more but slower ram and some edram(like the 360) for speed. Many guesses as to the size that will be. It will be VERY interesting seeing what games run a particular way on each system. Even more interesting if its true that the Orbis has 4G's of GDDR and no additional ram. Simply due to OS needs and the growth you can expect there in the years to come.
But currently, right now, these are just rumors and the specs are just specs. It is a great boon to everyone right now but there are a good deal of unknowns.
UberTag
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I doubt they could if they wanted to. Plus notwithstanding their userbase isn't conditioned to paying a monthly fee on a regular basis the way the XBL crowd is.
At best, I can see them doing something similar to what they've done with the Vita. The up-front cost won't go down but they'll bundle in a certain amount of Plus for free.
Metalmurphy
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Lest we forget, techniques used to effectively and efficiently stream textures off of the HDD and other methods employed to get around RAM limitations would be carried over and advanced once again. And this time, both XB3 and PS4 most likely will possess a HDD.
Clay Davis
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and binary domain, halo 4, mark of the ninja, fez, journey, unfinished swan, dust: an elysian tale, walking dead, forza horizon, etc, etc, etc.
2012 was a great year for gaming. I really don't understand why anyone would claim or argue it was bad / terrible.
But using GDDR5 for OS tasks doesn't make sense. Why would they go that route?
If they don't include a different pool of RAM dedicated to the OS, then, I can see these 4GB of RAM being divided into 2/3GB of GDDR5 + 2/1GB of DDR3.
SniperHunter
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yea I guess you are right, I just didn't have time for games in 2012 :/
Karak
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If they have a bare bones OS they may just take that hit. It is a unique decision if they stick to just the 4. But who knows. Interesting tech decisions going on right now.
Blueandigo
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Metalmurphy
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360 did it. What was wrong with that?
Baconsammy
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Cookie to the first company that lets me sleep my console with a game running.
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