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Feige and Bautista Address The Importance Of Female Characters
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and Feige is just like
Lil'DigiOp
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There's women in the MCU?
I mean seriously... there's been like 5...
With the boniest of arcs....
They could've done alot better. who cares if they started now, 15 movies in...
I mean seriously... there's been like 5...
With the boniest of arcs....
They could've done alot better. who cares if they started now, 15 movies in...
old manatee
Banned
MCU discovering that women exist a dozen films in.
Perlmutter is gone, the new face of the MCU is coming.
If you thought Spidey's intro in CW was big, wait til IW
AoS is so good AND super diverse. Also features one of MCU's best heroes.
Who had the HQ gif of Quake's John Wick gunfight?
If you thought Spidey's intro in CW was big, wait til IW
AoS is so good AND super diverse. Also features one of MCU's best heroes.
Who had the HQ gif of Quake's John Wick gunfight?
Are you trying to trigger Slayven?Perlmutter is gone, the new face of the MCU is coming.
If you thought Spidey's intro in CW was big, wait til IW
To play Devil's Advocate here...
But yes, it's about high damn time we finally got ourselves a female lead movie.
Sgt. Kabukiman
Banned
Yep. And that Black Widow movie will get announced any day now.
You have a point but just for the hell of it, characters that actually matter (so far) on that list:
Black Widow / Peggy Carter / Scarlet Witch / Jessica Jones.
And Darcy, obviously.
UnemployedVillain
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I'm kind of laughing at Darcy's inclusion, but yeah there have been a number of the in prominent roles even though Captain Marvel will be the first to lead a movie
MCU female hero fight scene, one of the best in the universe:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hReYNlIoIWE
Slayven is still on Earth with comics, I am talking Multiversal with MCU Carol - soon to be beloved character.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hReYNlIoIWE
Slayven is still on Earth with comics, I am talking Multiversal with MCU Carol - soon to be beloved character.
hodayathink
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Perlmutter is gone, the new face of the MCU is coming.
If you thought Spidey's intro in CW was big, wait til IW
I don't think people realize how important this fact is as to why women and minorities have been underplayed in the MCU. We already know from Shane Black that Ike was the reason the main villain in Iron Man 3 wasn't a woman. And the first movies that Feige announced after he split from Ike? Captain Marvel and Black Panther (and I think Ant-Man and the Wasp? but that may have been a little bit before the split). And then, on top of that, the first two movies that Feige got to cast after the split are the two most racially diverse movies that Marvel has ever done (Dr. Strange and Homecoming).
In all fairness, GOTG2 is pretty awesome in that regard. I was pleasantly surprised.
I would laugh really hard if they killed her off in one of the next two Avengers movies.
"Well, you see, now that she is dead, we can't make that movie we were all really looking forward to."
I would laugh really hard if they killed her off in one of the next two Avengers movies.
"Well, you see, now that she is dead, we can't make that movie we were all really looking forward to."
To play Devil's Advocate here...
But yes, it's about high damn time we finally got ourselves a female lead movie.
Counterpoint to this: If you take away all of the girlfriends and sidekicks, what are you left with?
Counter-counterpoint: This is missing many characters from Jessica Jones, including the lawyer. Edit: Whoops, I missed the fine print.
Promotion for Agents of Shield: It does diversity better than almost anything in the MCU.
LordOfLore
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Man, it just struck me how many in that picture are dead in-universe. We got so little time with Hand. Also yeah, AoS is so much better at diversity than the rest of the MCU.
I agree with you.
She's in the "Special Mentions" bit listed below, along with the rest of the Jessica Jones characters.
Zen_Arcade
Banned
I was watching Winter Solider last night and it just baffles me that they won't do a Black Widow movie. It could be so good.
Fuck that, AoS does diversity better than almost anything on tv
This reminds of the first time I saw a cast photo for the core group in series one, which entirely consisted of attractive, usually young, white people.
I don't watch the show though, so maybe it's come on leaps and bounds in that department.
Unfortunately Lucy killed any chance of the Black Widow movie. Marvel's always been cheap (and still are), and they're not going to fork over the 30-45 million ScarJo would want for Black Widow. Heck, even Avengers 2 had to tone her action sequences down because she was pregnant, which I'm fine with cuz a kid is about a gazillion times more important than a couple of extra action sequences.
Bautista speaks the freaking truth there though, lol. Badass women are awesome.
Bautista speaks the freaking truth there though, lol. Badass women are awesome.
Black Widow with Bucky and Hawkeye supporting cast could be fantastic. Shame they won't try (and shame they didn't include Bucky and Nat's common history).
Apart from that I think the MCU side is sadly missing the best female characters Marvel has to offer. So I guess they have to make to with what they've got: boring Carol.
On the other hand, AoS shows you can just create new characters of reinvent minor ones like Quake. So if Marvel had really wanted to, they could have. Even with the mutants missing.
Isnt that kind of inherent to super hero characters? Aside from Groot or Rocket I cant think of unattractive ones in the MCU.
To play Devil's Advocate here...
But yes, it's about high damn time we finally got ourselves a female lead movie.
I get the point, and just playing Devil's Advocate to the Devil's Advocate
Written out off-screen
Just not really acknowledged
The Monster monologue from Age of Ultron
Written out off-screen presumably
Same
Dead
Done Well
Dead
Have we seen her since Age of Ultron?
Just gonna assume not around X3
Alive
alive
Alive
Dead
Dead
No idea who she is (don't watch all of AoS)
A real solid row!
No Idea
Written out of the show for a spin-off that never happened
I mean probably dead from old age, but were great and fun chars
Alive
Alive
And finish off with 3 solid choices
shiftplusone
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I noticed that too. Real curious how it'll play out now
He's the phil spencer of the MCU, just replace women with first party investments.
hodayathink
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And a Black Widow movie probably isn't happening because they aren't going to pay ScarJo the money necessary for that to happen. There may be a bit of sexism involved in that decision, but that's where I see that being. They're more likely to find another character to fit the same general niche (either by finding a different comic character to use or, I don't know, Colbie Smulders in a Maria Hill movie).
The initial core group consisted of a middle aged man (Coulson), middle aged Asian woman (May), a guy in his thirties (Ward), a mixed-race Eurasian woman in her twenties (Skye), and two other Caucasian characters (FitzSimmons).
I'm sure I'm missing a few others -- was Trip top billing in season one? -- but a third to a half of them are older, and one third is Asian... so I don't know where you're getting that from?
To play Devil's Advocate here...
But yes, it's about high damn time we finally got ourselves a female lead movie.
Far too many of them are dead.
Angel's Advocate?
FriendlyGoat
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Wait, how did Lucy kill any chances? I thought the movie was a surprising success domestically and internationally, pulling $460m on a $40m budget. Or are you suggesting it helped boost her rate?
Who directed that scene? Hire that personal full time plz!
Just did a google and this was the initial photo I remembered:
May is indeed Asian, I forgot that! And I wasn't actually aware that the actress playing Skye is an Eurasian woman! But otherwise, at the time, it didn't strike me as a particularly diverse group...certainly in comparison to countless other television shows that have much more diverse casts. I don't watch Agents of SHIELD though, so I'm certainly not one to criticize it, that was just my immediate impression when the show was first preparing to go on the air.
hodayathink
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Increased her rate. ScarJo, at this point, would basically end up with $20-30 million at the minimum for a Black Widow movie (like, that's the discount she'd give if she liked them and really wanted to do the movie). Realistically, I think we'd be looking at somewhere around what RDJ was paid for Civil War, which is/was something like $40-50 million, IIRC.
To play Devil's Advocate here...
But yes, it's about high damn time we finally got ourselves a female lead movie.
Actual movie characters with actual chance of not being dead/ignored:
Pepper Pots, Black Widow, Sif, Maria Hill, Agent 13, Scarlet Witch, Gamora, Nebula, Nova Prime, Hope Van Dyne
And Mantis
Just did a google and this was the initial photo I remembered:
May is indeed Asian, I forgot that! And I wasn't actually aware that the actress playing Skye is an Eurasian woman! But otherwise, at the time, it didn't strike me as a particularly diverse group...certainly in comparison to countless other television shows that have much more diverse casts. I don't watch Agents of SHIELD though, so I'm certainly not one to criticize it, that was just my immediate impression when the show was first preparing to go on the air.
Yeah season one was not as diverse as it has been the last few seasons.
Right now:
This one is missing Robbie Reyes who was a big part of the main cast this season who was played by Gabriel Luna
Not to mention a lot of the secondary characters and antagonists who are not all just white dudes.
Sgt. Kabukiman
Banned
To be honest, I'd like to see that. He'd be a great Marlo.
Spaced Harrier
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Kind of want to make a Days of Future Past edit to this to really hammer home how little influence this list is going to have over the future of marvel movies.
Gordon Shumway
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Will never understand folks flipping out on this silly ass line. My wife starts repeating she's a monster during that scene in rewatches..it's hysterical.
AbsolutBro
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Not to mention Trip was a part of the team for a good time.
season 2 and season 4 spoilers
I still feel his death was absolutely and completely 100% unnecessary. Seeing him in the Framework was a goddam dagger in the heart. I loved his connection to the Howling Commandos and he was a great replacement for Ward.
Yup! With Evans, RDJ and Helmsworth wrapping up their time in the spotlight things are going to change. Sony still owns Spidey, so they double down on building up a Cosmic universe.
Who is going to run that show? Carol - front and center.
Phases 4+ are going to look way different than 1-3.
Yoooo, right!
Manmademan
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Exactly. Marvel likes to keep their costs low, and is going to be leaning on those who are still well within their contracts going forward. Evans being replaced by Sebastian Stan has been hinted all over the place probably for this reason alone.
ScarJo is going to be WAY too expensive after Lucy, though Ghost in the Shell bombing may have brought her price down somewhat.
That aside, Marvel can only field 2 films a year, maybe 3 if you push it and this includes Spider-Man. A black widow film if it happened would end up bumping something else off the roster, which doesn't really make a whole lot of sense when a Cap ensemble film that includes widow would be a better draw.
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