What do you know about 343's resources and time that makes you think adding a custom browser would eat up too much of those?
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Halo |OT3| Remember Reach?
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Rickenslacker
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Then don't allow host to kick in public games set for custom browsing. Set it to a vote if someone's making everyone have a bad time. Halo has a lot of customization options, MM can't begin to scratch the surface of them even with all the playlists.
I won't.
Those four locked sequentially. "I'll shoot this guy, well damn. Okay, that gu...fuck. This one the....dammit. Maybe that last one....fuck everything!"
squidhands
Member
Is there a place in my loadout for a sheet of cardboard? I don't want to scuff up the top of my helmet when doing headspins.
Gears 3 ran so smoothly on dedicated servers, and I think it's incredibly odd that Halo will most likely never embrace them. I think Tashi nailed it when he said the bigger issue to have fixed is the skill matching and the limitation of host-switching. Reach's netcode was a massive improvement over H3's, and I see no reason that Halo 4 can't top Reach in that area as well.
Well, they'd definitely mark it as something to have 100% synced, due to it's central nature to the game.
I won't.
Those four locked sequentially. "I'll shoot this guy, well damn. Okay, that gu...fuck. This one the....dammit. Maybe that last one....fuck everything!"
Was it ever explained how Brutes could armor lock in Reach?
Or just a carryover from the equipment usage stuff from 3?
Hydranockz
Member
I know where I don't want resources wasted
Also, how would you address the issue that running custom game servers would immediately burn into the playlist populations? People play custom games as they please in Reach. There are plenty of places to find out where to play. Having a built-in system would only decrease users using the traditional playlists which would only hamper the player pool, making search times longer and skill restrictions looser.
As things are, if you really want to play the latest version of MLG before the MM updates, there are plenty of ways to get into a custom game.
Also, if you think an admin abuses his power on a server simply quit and avoid him or something. Just because there will be a few people misusing the feature doesn't mean it shouldn't be implemented. A custom Browser could solve the problem that previous Halos have had with having too many playlists which makes matchmaking unfocused. I'd rather have 10 playlist with a few thousand players in each than 25 with half of those having around a 100 players in them at times.
And when Halo 4 starts dying down people will still be able to set up lobbies for people to join. That way you don't have to wait half an hour to get a match like is the case right now in Halo 3.
And when Halo 4 starts dying down people will still be able to set up lobbies for people to join. That way you don't have to wait half an hour to get a match like is the case right now in Halo 3.
NullPointer
Member
Well I really meant I'll miss using armor lock myself, shotgun in hand.
But I don't really mind enemies surprising me with it every once in a while. Armor lock does suck in groups though, no doubt about it.
Considering their violent aversion to needles I figured it was Bungie just tossing the Brutes a bone so they don't get wiped out too quickly. But fiction wise? Beats me.
Rickenslacker
Banned
Hydranockz
Member
So why won't it work again with 4? You essentially proved my point. As is, people can just do what is already being done and achieve the same result.
Rickenslacker
Banned
If custom game browsing made a large impact on MM population that's even more of a reason to include them, because it says that people prefer to be able to play what they want!
Poker Face
Member
i'd rather have people working on a custom games browser then have customizable armor tbh.
Sorry?
how bout fixing double reload too. I still cry thinking about Naded's double reload for the missed killtrocity
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EB1DCHUiDrs&t=0m8s
pretty sure I would trounce everything in my room if that happened to me.
NullPointer
Member
True. And I'd imagine mid-match joins would cast a wider net for matchups and ease up some of the pressure on the managed playlists.If custom game browsing made a large impact on MM population that's even more of a reason to include them, because it says that people prefer to be able to play what they want!
Same. I'd much rather be put into a game against people of a similar skill than go into a game and map combination of my choice, but against absolute plebeians. It's not fun to just effortlessly dong on opponents, even if it is a continuous loop of BR Slayer on The Pit.
Hydranockz
Member
What do you mean by this?
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Frank, David, idea for a HaloGaf day of Reach challenges.
Popping & Locking - Use armor lock 250 times in multiplayer matchmaking.
Bloom-field - Get 200 Kills with the full-bloom DMR
Not quite Halo 1 - Get 75 kills with the regular Reach pistol.
Banshee Bombing - Get 30 Banshee kills in multiplayer matchmaking.
Weekly -
I Wouldn't Have Been Your Daddy - Use armor lock with the DMR for 10 hours of multiplayer matchmaking playtime.
Popping & Locking - Use armor lock 250 times in multiplayer matchmaking.
Bloom-field - Get 200 Kills with the full-bloom DMR
Not quite Halo 1 - Get 75 kills with the regular Reach pistol.
Banshee Bombing - Get 30 Banshee kills in multiplayer matchmaking.
Weekly -
I Wouldn't Have Been Your Daddy - Use armor lock with the DMR for 10 hours of multiplayer matchmaking playtime.
Bahahhahahahaha.
I'm pretty sure they can't add or change any of the existing challenges. Why? I'm going to take a stab and say not enough resources at the time.
Rickenslacker
Banned
It means that the players can decide what Halo means to them, instead of waiting for playlist updates that don't serve their needs. （￣ー￣）
Living Dead BAM
NullPointer
Member
Allowing Mid-match joins is less restrictive than the current matchmaking algorithm that has to find a group of players AND create a brand new match for them. That slackening of restrictions should mean faster matchmaking overall and the ability to get Halo 3/Reach quality matches with fewer players in the overall population.
If you can get the same results with fewer players that reduces the pressure to keep those managed playlists filled to the brim. That means you take less of a hit to open up custom games, or 343 could alternately try to keep matchmaking times close to Reach's and put more logic into the algorithms themselves.
Unless I missing some of the finer points of the matchmaking system that is.
Custom Browser yo
Hydranockz
Member
Ah ok, I get ya
Yeah, that definitely seems like a good idea on paper. players wouldn't have any say in the map choice though so perhaps there would be an option to search for matches that haven't started yet.It'll definitely be curious to see how MM is handled on Infinity, that's for sure.
Poker Face
Member
yup. Halo 2 zombies > awful infection
If supported like it should, I think Spartan Ops will be huge.
Heh, no thanks.
Agreed... and I'll take a locked 30fps, the best p2p netcode in the business, and what looks to be an outstanding feature set for a 360 game.
This thread has gone crazy.
If Spartan Ops is much more than Firefight and is pretty challenging like Spec Ops, I think it'll do well. All my non Halo CoD friends love that crap. Also I don't expect the name to change.
Aside from that, watching these posts from sideline developers and designers is great. Wanting things is one thing, opinions is another, but the crap being said is yet another but special thing. "Just do this" "Gears did it" "All they have to do is X". That's not how game development works, or any large scale project really. There's timelines, budgets, resources, etc. All have to be carefully planned out and decided upon. Sometimes things are too ambitious and it's better to recognize that than to dig yourself into a hole.
I don't really feel that dedicated servers are needed, I actually don't care for them as my experience with them as been poor. I think it's silly to write them off for Halo 5, 6, and beyond though. Step back and think about it. 1st game for 343. They looked to be killing it and doing great, but if they tried to do everything, it'd probably all be mediocre and in the end all the features would be there just to exist. It's easy to say "yeah but Gears, yeah but Microsoft". Well this isn't Epic, and it's hardly MS. They are simply owned by them. Separate technologies, code, skillsets, etc.
Aside from that, watching these posts from sideline developers and designers is great. Wanting things is one thing, opinions is another, but the crap being said is yet another but special thing. "Just do this" "Gears did it" "All they have to do is X". That's not how game development works, or any large scale project really. There's timelines, budgets, resources, etc. All have to be carefully planned out and decided upon. Sometimes things are too ambitious and it's better to recognize that than to dig yourself into a hole.
I don't really feel that dedicated servers are needed, I actually don't care for them as my experience with them as been poor. I think it's silly to write them off for Halo 5, 6, and beyond though. Step back and think about it. 1st game for 343. They looked to be killing it and doing great, but if they tried to do everything, it'd probably all be mediocre and in the end all the features would be there just to exist. It's easy to say "yeah but Gears, yeah but Microsoft". Well this isn't Epic, and it's hardly MS. They are simply owned by them. Separate technologies, code, skillsets, etc.
As I understand it they're baked into the game, not a list they can customize easily.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
Then the terrorists win.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Spartan Ops sounds awesome to me, so I disagree here. I like to balance my sanity with multiplayer and other things (firefight, etc.).
Most sensible thing I have read in this thread or any other.
"Let's waste time and resources optimizing this net code"
"Why not just put dedis?"
"We can't tell each other about that right now, but we'd be glad to at a later date"
Rickenslacker
Banned
Score Attack got me thinking. It's never made end-user sense that it goes through matchmaking vote/veto rounds like normal MM, why not just let the player choose the gametype and map they want to play?
So that made me consider possibilities for voting in Halo 4. After you gather up the matched players, have them all privately choose the gametype and map that they want, and go with the majority vote. Tie breakers being a random selection between the ties. I imagine it would serve to give more accurate MM data for player preferences as well with people directly stating what they want to play each session.
So that made me consider possibilities for voting in Halo 4. After you gather up the matched players, have them all privately choose the gametype and map that they want, and go with the majority vote. Tie breakers being a random selection between the ties. I imagine it would serve to give more accurate MM data for player preferences as well with people directly stating what they want to play each session.
Just been rolling a few games of MLG with randoms, doing fairly well, on a win streak of about 4 and then this happens. Holy shit. These guys were absolutely insane. Not huge on the pro scene but can Tashi, Over or Kyle tell me if any of these are notable? Felt like I was being hit in the face with a hammer, repeatedly.
In other news this was my first time seeing Waypoint stats since it transitioned over from BNET. I'm fairly impressed, looks pretty slick. I wish they could find a way to show your BPR in game though, and have it move up and down depending on matches played.
In other news this was my first time seeing Waypoint stats since it transitioned over from BNET. I'm fairly impressed, looks pretty slick. I wish they could find a way to show your BPR in game though, and have it move up and down depending on matches played.
Which kinda sucks, but kylej and co continually shit on challenges anyway and point out how stupid they are so...
I have 2 cents on challenges too... Reach team was largely a new team. Design decisions aside, they did a pretty stellar job. I imagine creating these new features in a system that is new to them was no easy task. So that paired with the fact that feature sets are rarely all encompassing from the start, but are evolutions over time, I'm not surprised to see they aren't expandable outside the game. I'd expect the next iteration (or if they had more time) to track things more dynamically, report to more of a central location, then have checks in places to also be able to look at another location like a database or text file for additional challenges.*
*I don't actually know how challenges work now.
"Lets throw out everything."
Gabotron ES
Member
Saving, printing, laminating, Framing.
Framed at my work desk, inspirational.
oh lol
I fully expect double reload to be Bungie's lasting legacy.
I get this message when trying to look at the link:
Sorry, we encountered a problem while processing your request.
"Let's waste time and resources optimizing this net code"
"Why not just put dedis?"
"We can't tell each other about that right now, but we'd be glad to at a later date"
Oh god. You are probably just making jokes, but I also know you are upset about no dedicated servers so there's some truth in that.
Just adding then would solve nothing at all. They'd probably have to write all the code and systems from scratch or start from some simple base code packages that simply communicate with groups of servers. They'd also have to work and sign multiple contracts for servers all around the globe. Quite a task. Then they'd have to make sure they's all work correctly and account for variations in the equipment and networks and ISPs. They'd have to make sure all the servers are manned and maintained at all hours. They'd have to adapt their entire networking model to support this. It'd require very skilled network engineers for both coding and physical setups. It's no small task.
I just copied the link from Waypoint, that's how I'd have done it back on BNET. Is there a new method for linking game history on Waypoint?
No clue... I get this message a lot (very specific term there) when clicking on linked pages for game history at Waypoint.