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Halo |OT3| Remember Reach?
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Fucking saving it, printing it, laminating that shit.
Then when the game drops I'll have some testicles to go with it.
Dedis would improve everything.Would dedis improve co-op performance?
Spartan Ops better not be lahhy as fuck, that's why I barely play Firefight
Forge better get a HUGE overhaul, if there's no terrain editing I'll stab my testicles.
Deputy Moonman
Member
Not sure why, but Spartan Ops really doesn't excite me that much. I guess I was never much of a firefight person either, though. And I have not truly enjoyed a Halo Campaign since Combat Evolved, which leaves matchmaking my main interest in Halo4. Can't wait until we get some more footage.
60FPS only on Dedicated servers!
Zeouterlimits
Member
Hmmm.
1) Dedi's aren't big for me personally, but man did Josh not include any form of justification in his answer. Even if GI didn't ask it, it's implicit with a question like that.
So tell us 343I, why ye can't offer both, a mix of P2P & Dedis. Just lay it out.
Perhaps in the Bulletin next week.
2) On the whole, as Dani said, there hasn't been enough "why" in all the reveals and feature discussions.
3) Since I regularly see post-Midnight working 343Iers on Twitter, don't crunch too hard!
1) Dedi's aren't big for me personally, but man did Josh not include any form of justification in his answer. Even if GI didn't ask it, it's implicit with a question like that.
So tell us 343I, why ye can't offer both, a mix of P2P & Dedis. Just lay it out.
Perhaps in the Bulletin next week.
2) On the whole, as Dani said, there hasn't been enough "why" in all the reveals and feature discussions.
3) Since I regularly see post-Midnight working 343Iers on Twitter, don't crunch too hard!
Because depending on Microsoft for content to be made has worked out so well. Releasing two packs and then taking forever to release more maps just to market another game needs to stop.
We need community tools to make content so the community can pick up where Microsoft lacks in.
Also, Avengers. AWESOME.
Steelyuhas
Member
Welcome to video game development haha.
Zeouterlimits
Member
I'm well aware, I said it as a statement of support.
MrGreencastle
Member
No dedicated servers, or 60fps.
I'm so surprised. I care so much.
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Avengers kicked ass.
I'm so surprised. I care so much.
I'm not. I don't.
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Avengers kicked ass.
Zeouterlimits
Member
Again, I'm not a big Dedi's guy but the exclusion is controversial and it's a good talking point:
Assuming it's a cost issue / that they feel there wouldn't be a good enough ROI thanks to their netcode, what if having it be P2P allows the budget enough room to make Spartan Ops free rather than traditional dlc?
That they made the decision to put that money towards making Spartan Ops free rather than Dedi's. Purely hypothetical, but would that change how you feel about it?
I'm not sure it would for me.
In fact I'd go as far as wanting to see their metrics on Dedis vs their netcode.
Arguably offensive that I'd even suggest it but all I harp on with on GAF and elsewhere, with any dev or any situation, is to strive for transparency.
I do think the water gets murkier if there's a Season Pass, because it's asking for even more money (on top of Gold and the cost of the game) without dedicated servers.
As a side note: I do think Season Passes, at least with Gears, worked out well because it forces the developers to commit to making a certain quantity of content within a certain timeframe.
Assuming it's a cost issue / that they feel there wouldn't be a good enough ROI thanks to their netcode, what if having it be P2P allows the budget enough room to make Spartan Ops free rather than traditional dlc?
That they made the decision to put that money towards making Spartan Ops free rather than Dedi's. Purely hypothetical, but would that change how you feel about it?
I'm not sure it would for me.
In fact I'd go as far as wanting to see their metrics on Dedis vs their netcode.
Arguably offensive that I'd even suggest it but all I harp on with on GAF and elsewhere, with any dev or any situation, is to strive for transparency.
I do think the water gets murkier if there's a Season Pass, because it's asking for even more money (on top of Gold and the cost of the game) without dedicated servers.
As a side note: I do think Season Passes, at least with Gears, worked out well because it forces the developers to commit to making a certain quantity of content within a certain timeframe.
Yes sir
Hydranockz
Member
Yeah, after the Tim Schafer thing, transparency works for both parties. Knowing the industry, it's going to be post release before we get that info. We might get high level, press worthy snippets before then. Did Marcus ever go into great detail in his blog in the build up to Reach?
I'd rather not force a situation where the quality drops to keep up with set schedules, though. Season passes to me are lumped into the category of "if men were angels"-type theory that is likely to come crashing down in practice. It does seem to have worked fairly well for Gear, I'll allow.
ElzarTheBam
Member
Saving, printing, laminating, Framing.
Framed at my work desk, inspirational.
Can't wait till forge is revealed.
Was good, got free juice.
Tha Robbertster
Member
Saving, printing, laminating, Framing.
Framed at my work desk, inspirational.
Can't wait till forge is revealed.
How was the night with your mom? Did you get to second base?
Also, I just discovered that you can actually read all the news posts that are posted on waypoint via the Halo Waypoint mobile app. Prettu cool!
Hydranockz
Member
Saving, printing, laminating, Framing.
Framed at my work desk, inspirational.
Can't wait till forge is revealed.
Bahahahaha
Sorry for the late reply but this simply isn't true.
While the netcode is better in Reach compared to previous Halos, it's horrible
I haven't actually played Reach MM in a few months because I've been playing less frustrating games. When I did come back to MM to try a few matches, it was depressing.
Most of my shots wouldn't connect, or would show as connecting but wouldn't deal any damage. Input lag was terrible. It was unplayable.
Of course people are going to reply with "That's what you get from living in Europe" and whatnot which is the problem.
BF3 has dedis, I can just pick European servers and I've never ever ever had lag problems.
Getting my ass kicked because of lag is just not fun.
Hydranockz
Member
Oh I'm definitely not good, but I'm better than how I currently play because of lag
The Librarian
Banned
I hope they've changed the name by then.
For real.
Hydranockz
Member
Spartan Oops.
squidhands
Member
Spops.
To anyone planning to watch the new GI podcast, don't.
Summary.
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- Forge Confirmed (3 mins)
- ????????? (4-18 mins)
- Female Spartans (19 mins)
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- No bots (22 mins)
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- No Dedicated Servers (26 mins)
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Summary.
- ???????? (0-2 mins)
- Forge Confirmed (3 mins)
- ????????? (4-18 mins)
- Female Spartans (19 mins)
- ????????? (20-21 mins)
- No bots (22 mins)
- ????????? (23-25 mins)
- No Dedicated Servers (26 mins)
- ????????? (27-30 mins)
Matchmaking Restrictions:
[ ] Close Skill
[ ] Fastest Matching
[ ] Best Connection
[x] My Region
That way things won't go to shit as dedicated servers either become paywalled (see: Gears 3) or shut down entirely (see: Battlefield 3's inevitable fate). Dedis are great in a world where businesses don't build planned obsolescence into their products.
something something no code behind the buttons something
lybertyboy
Thinks the Evil Empire is just misunderstood.
Spop and lock.
Gears 3 servers have not been paywalled.
Disgraceful that people can defend a lack of dedicated servers, absolutely dire.
I was under the impression you had to have a bunch of DLC to use them. Is that not the case? When I had that free pack installed it kept popping the "you won't be on dedicated servers" message.
I'm not a corporate robot defending anything, I'm just realistic in knowing that Halo dedicated servers aren't going to happen probably ever and offering alternatives. You can petition as long as you like, but men in suits run this industry at the end of the day.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
So, has everyone calmed down from the freak outs last night?
The problem with that is the more state you synch to the clients to persist in a host switch, your bandwidth usage and latency goes up as well. Weapons coming back would be a decent tradeoff to make.
edit: that is to say, it'd be cool if they could get it fixed.
neoism
Member
Anyone expecting Dedicated servers is just expecting too much, they haven't used them yet, why would anyone think they would just because other games do. Its like some of you guys just think of shit you know they wont do just to bitch. This COD comparison is getting old. If anything Activation is copying 343/bungie more than the other way around. Glad I dont have my expectations soo high I will be nothing but disappointed or think they will include something that's never been in a halo game.
So if your disappointed just vote with your wallet. But I guess you guys have to do something for 7 more months.
So if your disappointed just vote with your wallet. But I guess you guys have to do something for 7 more months.
Wow, I've read up on this and I actually think you might be right. Whilst it's a solution that could just be flat out avoided by not paywalling the fucking servers, it seems like MS have done just that anyway.
Jesus christ.
I wonder how it will work with the new power weapon system.
Hydranockz
Member
GG with that year long campaign.
The Librarian
Banned
There were people freaking out? Look, to be perfectly honest, while I'm not disappointed by no dedicated servers (wasn't expecting them), I am open to the argument that there's no excuse not to have them.
I would imagine (hope) that the status of the power weapon spawn would be one of those things marked to be synced across everyone at all times. Although if you earn them.. somehow.. it wouldn't make them double spawn or anything, since you'd have to re-earn the drop again on a new host after using the last one.
The current one happens (I think) because of this: host leaves. Whichever client it chooses goes "okay, I knew I saw all these weapons at these spots, let's spawn them there". Then it goes "well, I don't know if players spawned with those or if they were picked up off the map, so let's start the timer again on all the map-based weapons" and then you have 2 swords on Ivory Tower.
Same reason sprees are lost in a host switch. Your box is not keeping track of your killing spree, the host is and is what awards you the medal, etc. So when the host leaves, the spree data goes with them.
this right here
Hydranockz
Member
I dunno. Honor rules were so 5+ years ago. I think of custom browsing, I think of getting kicked because I am playing better than the host or playing some silly gametype where the host has given one team an advantage.
No difference, trust me
CoD does keep track of your killstreak when the host switches. Copy that 343!
Then go play matchmaking? I don't see the problem.
Rickenslacker
Banned
#RememberReach
NullPointer
Member
I know I'll truly miss armor lock.
... in campaign and firefight.
So awesome.
Speaking of which I had a great time with Firefight thursday and the NEP modes, although I wish ArcadeFight was a separate playlist - nobody ever seems to vote for limited and unlimited ammo gets old. I try to go sniper or grenade launcher for kicks and skillshots, but you only end up getting leftover scraps because everybody else runs with rocket launchers and fuel rod cannons. And against that kind of weaponry no change in enemy progression really matters a damn.
But doubles NEP? Good stuff and sometimes hard as nails.
Hydranockz
Member
I don't see why they should put resources into a highly exploitable system when MM eliminates those problems.
You can't have both when time and resources aren't infinite.