Just read some of the crap this guy has posted on his twitter. Oh man.
I'm gonna back up Payton and Republique on this one. Just saw the video and it looks like a very cool concept.
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Touch Arcade vs. NeoGAF
- Thread starter Ignis Fatuus
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Just read some of the crap this guy has posted on his twitter. Oh man.
I'm gonna back up Payton and Republique on this one. Just saw the video and it looks like a very cool concept.
reptilescorpio
Member
First thing I read brings up a pretty big warning sign
I wouldn't be backing much money into a project like that, not to mention there are ZERO recognizable names involved in the project. I am only going to put forward my money for projects by people with a proven track record of making games that I will like.
I like Payton and his past work, Republic sounds like a great idea and certainly nothing like other games I have played recently. Now that they have a PC version I might jump in for the basic back as the overseer gameplay sounds really enjoyable.
StevePharma
Member
NeoGAF haz no GAEMS!!!!
It's sad to see that some indecent editor speaks out like this. I'm guessing he loves the attention he's getting now.
I hope your mom is proud of you.
Also really classy to shit on a forum you wanted to be a part of.
It's sad to see that some indecent editor speaks out like this. I'm guessing he loves the attention he's getting now.
I hope your mom is proud of you.
Also really classy to shit on a forum you wanted to be a part of.
Dacvak
No one shall be brought before our LORD David Bowie without the true and secret knowledge of the Photoshop. For in that time, so shall He appear.
Depends on whether or not an editor-in-chief decides to publicly make an ass out of himself by bashing your indie project. =P
But seriously, you're probably right. But I could still see it happening to varying degrees.
It all makes sense now, don't worry guys it was all a bad drug-fueled dream/nightmare?
http://hodapp.me/
http://hodapp.me/
billy beane
Banned
I've always found it weird how people get this weird sense of accomplishment when there is a NeoGAF thread about them. There was someone else recently who got the same way too.
Pyccko
Member
Yeah, Phil Fish, I think.
charlequin
Banned
I don't think this is an entirely fair reading of the article (which you can find here.) The big expense that cut into their total was pledge rewards, which speaks to some mistakes on their part setting up the KS (specifically, printing posters and giving away physical items at the $25 level), but otherwise their expenses were pretty reasonable (paying for the game's soundtrack, buying hardware for the developers, etc.) and fit with the intended expenditures they described in the Kickstarter.
The game was shown off at PAX East, BTW, and seems to be on track for a summer release.
Touché!
While failure is always an option and that there is always a risk with any kick starter I agree the chances of a failed game is even bigger due to to size and scope needed to build a game.
But that means developers just have to work harder and give better incentives to convince people. I still believe in kick starter even if it is still hard for a small unknown developer to get funding. But there are ways.
Still we shouldn't let one bad kick starter game ruin it for everyone else. If I recall there was a thread that contained more failed kick starters and most of them weren't games.
I'm wary of Kickstarter projects in general, but everyone should be, because you're operating on faith when you back a project. That said, I'm not against Kickstarter at all. Heck, my favorite band is making a comeback after 8 years because of Kickstarter.
This guy didn't have any obligation to give any attention to Republique, but the way he went about it he inadvertently gave the game more attention, and managed to make himself look pretty immature to boot.
Also I'm always amused at the blanket statements people make toward NeoGAF. As if we're not just a normal community full of infighting and varying opinions like any other online community.
This guy didn't have any obligation to give any attention to Republique, but the way he went about it he inadvertently gave the game more attention, and managed to make himself look pretty immature to boot.
Also I'm always amused at the blanket statements people make toward NeoGAF. As if we're not just a normal community full of infighting and varying opinions like any other online community.
Which is fucking stupid when you have absolutely no indication of the game's quality. Unless you want to extrapolate something from the fact that they couldn't get the game funded any other way...
charlequin
Banned
This is actually a big problem for iOS games in particular on Kickstarter. With PC titles, you can always provide your own direct download if necessary, or ideally get your game on Steam. if you do, not only can you generate as many codes as you want (to give the game to all your backers), but you'll also tap into all the marketing that comes with it -- the Steam sales, the word-of-mouth effect of people seeing their friends launching your game, etc.
As an iOS developer, you can't generate arbitrary quantities of free codes and you can't sideload apps (which means you can't, or at least can't easily, promise to give a copy to every backer over a certain threshold) and your only real marketing vehicle on the App Store once you launch is purely through sales-driven placement -- towards which your promo codes won't count -- which means selling your units upfront has a real cost to future success that isn't present the same way on other platforms.
I definitely agree it's pretty suboptimal, but it's driven by a real difficulty of the iOS platform compared to PC or even Android.
Pureauthor
Member
I'm pretty sure you have a pretty good indicator of the game's quality when, say, DoubleFine is the one making the proposal.
Hmm. I used to check TouchArcade occasionally. But now that I know it's run by a douche, hypocritical elitist and someone who appears to be very headstrong and ignorant, I don't think so.
What a PR disaster. No sympathy since he's continued this crusade. Seriously, it's like having that one friend who is really passionate about the smallest detail about one irrelevant thing and won't shut up about it or get over it. You can criticize Kickstarter, I'm not a fan of the model myself, but don't be a douche about it. Enjoy your shitstorm, if you ever pull your head out of your ass long enough to realize it's going on.
What a PR disaster. No sympathy since he's continued this crusade. Seriously, it's like having that one friend who is really passionate about the smallest detail about one irrelevant thing and won't shut up about it or get over it. You can criticize Kickstarter, I'm not a fan of the model myself, but don't be a douche about it. Enjoy your shitstorm, if you ever pull your head out of your ass long enough to realize it's going on.
So let them get it funded in the traditional way. Essentially you're giving them money that would otherwise be earning you interest or paying for something else now. You're funding someone else's investment from which they'll make a return. Its a sucker's game.
For clarification I'm not endorsing this touch arcade pork chop.
polyh3dron
Banned
I think sethdub grew up and is now hodapp. That's my theory
If these games were being funded in the traditional way they wouldn't exist. Do you expect a return when you buy a game from a store? No. You're just buying a game in advance which also happens to fund development.
They tried it the traditional way. They got shut down because it wouldn't be profitable. Apparently 3.something million dollars and several thousand backers proved the publishers wrong.
Also that is how donations work. You give money you can spare to help other people. And in this case you can also get a free game out of it you want to play. It is actually a win - win situation.
reptilescorpio
Member
My phone is an Android so I had no idea the situation with iOS gaming. I expected they could just offer a download on their website and people could drag/drop onto their phone. Certainly does make the Kickstarter project a lot more complicated when you have to worry about a 3rd party after the project is funded, developed and then polished to release. I couldn't imagine the heartbreak if it wasn't even approved for release on iOS.
Pureauthor
Member
On the consumer side of things, how is it fundamentally any different from preordering a game? (Aside from the fact that with a Kickstarter one can often get the game for cheaper than retail.)
Also, I'm pretty sure the ten to twenty bucks involved is not going to make me bank in interest whether I give it to the dev during the Kickstarter or after the game comes out.
thetrin
Hail, peons, for I have come as ambassador from the great and bountiful Blueberry Butt Explosion
I doubled my pledge from $50 to $100 back when I found out the circumstances behind the founding of Camouflaj. I'm a sucker for an entrepreneurial story.
I think it's awesome what Ryan and the gang are doing. They're really risking a lot, and I don't think many people realize how ballsy this move is for them. Having recently started a company myself, I can't help but commiserate.
I'm sure you know as well as any other person that uses a computer that Apple's whole philosophy is the walled garden. That's simply just not an option if you wish to play ball with them.
This is the traditional way. Instead of relying solely on savings or venture capital from one or 2 big publishers, the capital is spread around. This is just our industry trying different things, and evolving as a result
thetrin
Hail, peons, for I have come as ambassador from the great and bountiful Blueberry Butt Explosion
What is more traditional than patronage? I submit to you that that is THE MOST traditional way to fund a creative pursuit.
It's only a sucker's game if you only give others money solely to make something back in return. That is antithetical to patronage. The whole concept is to fund it because you believe they deserve to be able to make it. Of course, because being altruistic and charitable is so god damn painful for people these days, there's a tiered gift system, so you feel like you get something back.
Barkley's Justice
Member
I don't know. How are more ways to get games made other than the traditional developer/publisher dicohtomy bad? Some people really want this games shit to be their little personal bitch.
cr_blah_blah
Member
Kickstart is for projects that will probably have no other way of being possible or existing. It'd be ridiculous to think almost any of these major projects (Wasteland, Shadowrun, Double Fine adventure game) could get funded in traditional (publisher) ways. This is a way for them to become reality for people wanting exactly and willing to fund it for a copy of the game or whatever tier they pay for.
Ignis Fatuus
Banned
thetrin
Hail, peons, for I have come as ambassador from the great and bountiful Blueberry Butt Explosion
Because people have been conditioned to believe that helping to fund a labor of love needs some sort of pay out, or you're an idiot for doing so.
Interficium
Banned
You sound unhinged.
What the hell? :/
oneils
Member
At the very least you would get a refund if the game never gets released, when pre-ordering through a retailer. So, there is risk involved when funding a kick starter project. It seems to be pretty minimal, though, from the amounts I have seen (15$). I doubt people would cry over that( but you never know, this is the Internet after all).
Pyccko
Member
Jesus Christ, dude. Every minute a new example of what a silly billy this guy is.
He doesn't need you if you're not a true believer.
I am pretty silly.
cr_blah_blah
Member
It's always weird that when people are called out on being jerks, instead of realizing or showing some kind of remorse, they lash out as even bigger cunts. It doesn't make sense at all. People can't be that stupid.
thetrin
Hail, peons, for I have come as ambassador from the great and bountiful Blueberry Butt Explosion
What is the risk with kickstarter funding? That the game sucks? That it never gets made? That Brian Fargo and Tim Schafer sensually rub each other down with our hard earned cash?
polyh3dron
Banned
Just upped my republique pledge from $10 to $50 after that for the intelligentsia edition.
thetrin
Hail, peons, for I have come as ambassador from the great and bountiful Blueberry Butt Explosion
You're following a misconception that those visible in the journalistic field within the gaming industry have any semblance of integrity common to other journalistic fields.
EDIT: Oh boy, a very classy response to my tweet to Hodapp.
To be fair what is he supposed to say? He has every right to not believe in kickstarter, and he doesn't have to grovel to people to appease them.
Not everyone is Brian Fargo/Tim Schafer. This is a poor argument.
oneils
Member
Yeah, that the game never gets made. That's the risk. Not saying its a huge one. It's just a risk you take over a traditional retail pre-order.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
Lol yeah, I'm going to tomorrow ASAP.
thetrin
Hail, peons, for I have come as ambassador from the great and bountiful Blueberry Butt Explosion
I'm pretty sure there is some semblance of legal liability that a kickstarter project is subject to in the event that they do not follow through and run off to Mexico with our dollars and cents. I don't know for sure, but I have heard that the approval process is rather rigorous.
Although, now that I've mentioned it, I can't help but think about Fargo and Schafer rubbing each other down with my Benjamins. They're obviously clothed, but it's a shocking image all the same.
Ignis Fatuus
Banned
He doesn't have to be a complete and utter turd about it in a public forum, either.