Interesting (maybe) round of "predictions/hopes", the best is "10$ free on eshop for early adopter"....
http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/roundtable/31595
http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/roundtable/31595
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Wii U Thread - Now in HD!
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And what about PAL games that don't support Component and HDMI? How would that work?
It's may not be optimizable but it's not that high, depends on alot on postprocessing and effects. It's cant be a fixed value, every engine is different, every game has a bit different effects intensity and all the other stuff.
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
Dropping stuff from being drawn. Which might be the only option allowing you keep your performance on scenes for which the GPU might not be able to cover the 2.25x fillrate hike.
TheChewyWaffles
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So no preorders anywhere for the console yet? When is Nintendo's next event?
IceDoesntHelp
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This upcoming Thursday.
I agree but if they drop Wii price before or right at Wii U launch it might confuse some consumers even further. They might buy the much cheaper Wii over the Wii U.
blu
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Well, then, you may face situations where you cannot take the res increase, no matter what you do. For reference, a 2.25x fillrate increase as a bare minimum would require 16 ROPs @~600MHz, before even considering the increased fb and texture BW* requirements and ALU resources**.
* Even without upping the tex assets res, drawing the same texture at higher res can cause the use of higher LODs, ergo higher texel BW.
** Frankly, I expect the U-GPU to not have issues there (i.e. meeting a hypothetical 2.25x bump vs the Xenos).
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You seem to be underplaying the cost of rendering at 1080p over 720p, and I disagree with that assertion, even though I agree engine and asset optimisation plays a significant role in performance.
You could pre-order a Wii U since June in Europe. It's just North America that's holding out on that front until there is official word.
cyberheater
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Not necessarily very much, though. Can be as low as 12MFLOPS if my math is correct (one operation per pixel at 30FPS).
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
We're discussing the '720p@Xenos vs 1080p@U-GPU' subject - no second screens there.
Well, cutting stuff isn't the only option. They could still render different buffers at the same resolution to reduce the fillrate usage.
It needs to display something on it at all times, yes.
cyberheater
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I would imagine that devs would like to have a little more going on with that second screen.
Which makes me wonder. Does Nintendo mandate that devs must use the WiiPad screen?
bgassassin
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No. Back around E3 2011, someone from Nintendo said other developers should not feel obligated to use the screen. Same as 3D on 3DS.
Would Nintendo allow a blank (or off) screen? Well, I guess that's why they created the pro controller.
fabricated backlash
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They allow 3rd parties to make 3DS games that don't use 3D, I'm sure they won't force Gamepad usage. Especially when you can use the Wiimote/Nunchuck to play Pikmin 3, without the Gamepad.
What's the point then? You can get a PS3 or 360 with a much better catalog cheaper. I hope wiipad screen is mandatory
It's enough for maps, inventories and all kinds of menus, and that's what most games seem to use the GamePad for. And I don't think Nintendo mandates anything whatsoever these days.
To play all the great games that you can't play on XBox 360/PS3? What a stupid question...
bgassassin
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I have wondered that, though I noticed that during AC3 cutscenes the screen would go off. Maybe there would be some kind of placeholder image if someone wanted to pass on screen usage.
Until PS360 gets HD (insert Nintendo first party title here), there will always be a point.
Beaten by Suomi.
Yeah, 3 games instead of the hundreds on PS3 or 360, really smart purchase
I was fine with my Atari XE. Why buy newer systems? It had a much bigger library than the NES, which only had SMB at that time.
bgassassin
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Man you're really failing at this. XD
That's not the point. it's about why buy a Wii U if the differentiating factor ( wii pad screen ) is not used on games
The differentiating factor is always software. Always.
Now I know why there's that tag under your name...
What's the differentiating factor between PS3 and 360? Why buy one over the other? Why buy both?
bgassassin
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One has PS and the other has 60.
Yeah, the few Nintendo first party titles against the full PS3 or 360 catalog which has platinum and cheap second hand games. I don't think that will enough in this economy
I hope I'm wrong
360 has games...
So, I guess people will just keep their 360 and Ps3 for ever and ever. Also, the Wii.
And PS3 doesn't? Then why does it sell better?
Just like the 360 with a few games against the huge catalog of PS2 and GameCube games? Or even the Wii against the 360/PS3 catalog?
Better than buying the Wii U if it has no games except a few Nintendo first party titles. Just look at the Vita, imagine if the same thing happens to the Wii U.
ColdBlooder
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There is a controller without any screen available... So they propably allow games with absolutely no screen usage whatsoever.
blu
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Of course, but I was strictly considering the scenario where all screen-space-relevant render targets got the 2.25x bump. Otherwise you could argue that upping your fb target res while keeping all other targets at their old resolutions is equivalent to 'not drawing stuff'. After all, that's what the video-scaler chip does - it takes the title's 'fixed res' fb and scales that to whatever your tv res of the day is.
Don't listen to him, PS3 has plenty of games. There's Resistance, GT5, Uncharted and a couple more I can't remember.
I know that. I own all consoles, and I know very well why I bought each and every one of them. And I don't even like or own GT or Uncharted. Or Halo. Or Mario for that matter, yet I still plan to buy a Wii U day one.
It would be a good idea if the gamepad screen is not utilized in a game to either turn off completely or maybe it would be some kind of multitasking center, something to show Miiverse notifications, messages from friends etc.
Actually i think it would be neat to have such a feature, without the need to exit the game. Just pause and have accessibility of the OS features on the gamepad for browser, notifications, settings etc.
Maybe a similar feature is implemented in a way, if we consider the huge amount of RAM rumored to be accessible only for OS functions.
Actually i think it would be neat to have such a feature, without the need to exit the game. Just pause and have accessibility of the OS features on the gamepad for browser, notifications, settings etc.
Maybe a similar feature is implemented in a way, if we consider the huge amount of RAM rumored to be accessible only for OS functions.
Dude, I rather have a console that has 6 good games from Nintendo than 1 gazilion of games that has ports for PC (wich I have). If the game is good, doen't matter if it has 3D, AA, Jesus resolution. A good game is a good game regardless. So when you ask yourself why should you buy a game that doesn't have all these features, first try to see how good it is.
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I agree, but are you saying the PS3 or 360 have no good games?
ScreenSplitter
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Reminds me of this terrible parody song I used to sing at my PS3 owning friend.
Can't wait for the 13th. Need to know what price it is/when I can get it before I can get fully hyped!
This is stupidity on an almost unfathomable level.
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