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UK: New diesel and petrol cars and vans will be banned from 2040

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DBT85

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40723581

New diesel and petrol cars and vans will be banned in the UK from 2040 in a bid to tackle air pollution, the government is set to announce.

Ministers are to unveil a £255m fund to help councils introduce steps to deal with pollution from diesel vehicles as part of £3bn spending on air quality.

The government is due to publish a court-mandated clean air strategy on Wednesday.
This is just days before a deadline set by the High Court.
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This comes as France are doing something similar, Volvo have said all new cars will have some kind of hybrid system from 2019, and BMW announced an all electric Mini will begin production in Oxford from 2019 also.
 
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DBT85

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Acorn said:
It will they just need to put down a date because someone somewhere will be driving an 88 diesel escort the 2040s lol
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The costs for having car insurance to drive a car manually in an age of primarily computer driven cars could well be prohibitive.
 
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chaosblade

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Feels like lip service, gas guzzlers will probably be a minority of new car sales by that point. Even if that weren't the case and they still make up the bulk of vehicles, it's progress that errs on being too little too late.
 
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Bony Manifesto

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I'd be very surprised if small diesel vehicles were still being made even in 2030. Hell, I'm not even sure why someone would want to buy a new diesel car today.
 
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Dishwalla

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Sounds like a good deal. Feel like standard commuter cars should be on alternative fuels by then, and for enthusiasts there should be a special permit to operate diesel or petrol cars, but only a limited amount of miles(kilometers, whatever) a month.
 
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Lakitu

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How viable are electric cars at this point? Are they too costly to run and repair? I'd like to think that in 30 or 40 years, we would have no cars on the road that don't run on electricity but that is a pipe dream.
 
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Ogodei

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Actually seems a little late tbh. New gas cars should definitely be banned by 2030. Diesel can get a little more leeway because it powers higher-power stuff that'll be harder to replace with electric.

2040 would be the time to ban *all* gas cars, but new sales should stop 10 years before that.
 
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Jebusman

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Reading headlines like this feels surreal to me. It feels like just yesterday the world was introduced to the Hummer, and now countries actually have plans, even if relatively far out plans, to stop selling them.
 
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DBT85

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I'm ok with it, but then I have room for a garage and a charging point

What the fuck everyone in towns are supposed to do I don't know.

Its possible that more people might use a robo-uber type service I suppose.

Fleets of electric cars sitting in supermarket car parks overnight charging up for a busy day, trundling off to collect people and drop them off at work or the shops etc.
 
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DBT85

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LewieP said:
Because why not allow them but levy an insanely high tax on them?
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Not sure if serious.

They'll find a way. They always do.

Road tax for oil burners will go up even higher and road tax for electric will start lower and gradually rise. It'll just stop being under the guise of emissions.
 
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LewieP

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DBT85 said:
Not sure if serious.

They'll find a way. They always do.

Road tax for oil burners will go up even higher and road tax for electric will start lower and gradually rise. It'll just stop being under the guise of emissions.
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Right, whether you put the tax on the diesel/petrol cars, the fuel itself, or both, it would be more advantageous for society at large to heavily charge millionaires who don't want to drive electric vehicles.

They could just say it's to cover the cost of emissions, or perhaps say it's to build electric infrastructure etc.
 
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PJV3

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Hopefully just setting a date will speed up the process of killing petrol powered cars, but it still feels too far away.
 
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CaviarMeths

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I'd like to believe that the free market would have long sorted this out by then anyway, but being from the prairies, I know that there's gonna be thousands of people still driving enormous gas-powered pickup trucks in the city with shitty country music blaring.
 
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milanbaros

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If news like this keeps coming then there is going to be a huge swing to electric in the next couple of years. Petrol and diesel will be a dead end.
 
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Ovek

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I hope to god by 2040 we have significantly cleaner technology than lithium batteries. That and more than half of UK homes can't plug in a car over night because they only have on street parking which is a major sticking point that everyone likes to gloss over for the UK and Europe.
 
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LewieP

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Ovek said:
That and more than half of UK homes can't plug in a car over night because they only have on street parking which is a major sticking point that everyone likes to gloss over for the UK and Europe.
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The mole uprising of 2030 and ensuing war will keep population numbers down.
 
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Billy_Pilgrim

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I read a stat recently that claimed that (and I paraphrase here) if the ownership of electric cars went up to 20% of the total the power grid would collapse.
 
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Tecnniqe

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Terrible.

If everyone use electric cars the power grid will collapse and how green is it really when you have millions of car batteries that needs to be recycled?

Maybe by 2040 they'll make it but unless batteries and infrastructure gets heavily improved across the globe this isn't gonna work out.

Also RIP living in big city people, good luck mounting a wall of chargers in the streets.
 
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fanboi

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Tecnniqe said:
Terrible.

If everyone use electric cars the power grid will collapse and how green is it really when you have millions of car batteries that needs to be recycled?

Maybe by 2040 they'll make it but unless batteries and infrastructure gets heavily improved across the globe this isn't gonna work out.

Also RIP living in big city people, good luck mounting a wall of chargers in the streets.
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Here in Sweden they have used the same rethoric but there are papers that show that the electric grid wouldn't have a problem with it.

And sure it is more costly short term to produce an electric car, but it saves up on that during its life time.
 
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itsgreen

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fanboi said:
Here in Sweden they have used the same rethoric but there are papers that show that the electric grid wouldn't have a problem with it.

And sure it is more costly short term to produce an electric car, but it saves up on that during its life time.
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And in terms of environment, the production of the car is a bit more power heavy, but if that power is renewable... it isn't that bad.

Also air quality improves drastically...
 
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Protome

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Ovek said:
That and more than half of UK homes can't plug in a car over night because they only have on street parking which is a major sticking point that everyone likes to gloss over for the UK and Europe.
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Yeah, I'm not really sure what the solution to this is but it needs one before electric car adoption can even start to take off here.

Benjamin1981 said:
First sane political decision in years by the UK?
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Even the Tories can do the right thing when they're court mandated to do so.
 
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Hamster Plugin

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Electric isn't happening until we get a battery tech breakthrough. It takes 2 minutes to refill a petrol or diesel car - it takes 2 or more HOURS to recharge an electric car. This is a major disadvantage to electric.
 
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Momentary

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Hell... the IEEE believe that "cars as a service" will replace the purchase of cars for at least 95 percent of people. They've also theorized that by around 2050 ( I can't remember the exact date) it will be illegal for consumers to drive their own vehicles without some sort of special licensing.
 
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Pankratous

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Kind of jealous of those who've already made the jump.

My work has electric car chargers. They come to work and 'fill up'. I wish someone would give me free petrol while I was at work.
 
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Momentary

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Hamster Plugin said:
Electric isn't happening until we get a battery tech breakthrough. It takes 2 minutes to refill a petrol or diesel car - it takes 2 or more HOURS to recharge an electric car. This is a major disadvantage to electric.
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With Tesla superchargers, It actually takes around 20 minutes now to charge up to 50% and 75 minutes for full charges. I think by 2040 electric cars will charge ridiculously fast.
 
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Dougald

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Rayge said:
Hell... the IEEE believe that "cars as a service" will replace the purchase of cars for at least 95 percent of people. They've also theorized that by around 2050 ( I can't remember the exact date) it will be illegal for consumers to drive their own vehicles without some sort of special licensing.
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Yeah, honestly if self driving cars take off I can't see why most people would need to own their own vehicle anyway. Just open an app and call one to pick you up.
 
Jezbollah

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Its all good to have a year, but they really need to advance the electric charging infrastructure and capacity in the UK.

Not everyone has the ability to charge their car from their home.

Rayge said:
With Tesla superchargers, It actually takes around 20 minutes now to charge up to 50% and 75 minutes for full charges
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There are 254 Tesla Superchargers in the UK. This needs to grow exponentially.
 
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DBT85

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Dan27 said:
Its all good to have a year, but they really need to advance the electric charging infrastructure and capacity in the UK.

Not everyone has the ability to charge their car from their home.



There are 254 Tesla Superchargers in the UK. This needs to grow exponentially.
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They don't all actually need to charge from home though. Work car parks, superstore car parks, public car parks. Liklihood is,wherever your going could have a charging point.
 
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SomethingInTheSea

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Protome said:
Yeah, I'm not really sure what the solution to this is but it needs one before electric car adoption can even start to take off here.



Even the Tories can do the right thing when they're court mandated to do so.
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The only solution to that problem is if every street like that is wired up with a generic charging system opened and operated by the government and which allows any resident to use any charger (as you can't always assume you'll be parking in front of your house). This is the real challenge of cars that need overnight charging, it's going to be insanely expensive and disruptive to install the infrastructure required.

Imagine if every terraced street in every city and town in the UK needs to have charging points, I just don't see it happening, there's going to have to be another power solution that doesn't need you to charge a battery at home.
 
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