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Panasonic asking staff to leave by 8 PM, focus on efficiency rather than long hours
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Transistor
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It really fucking is. My wife's company got bought out by a Japanese company and we're starting to see a lot of that culture try to force its way in.
Chie Satonaka
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Yeah, guys. Only 60 hours a week!
I love Japan as a whole, but their work culture is fucking ridiculous. I don't even understand how they manage it. I feel like I die a little inside just being here for eight hours a day.
I love Japan as a whole, but their work culture is fucking ridiculous. I don't even understand how they manage it. I feel like I die a little inside just being here for eight hours a day.
AlfonzoPalutena
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Good for Panasonic. That's still too much time dedicated to work, but hopefully other companies follow suit and slowly the toxic work culture can be shaved down
The Last Wizard
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Seriously, this needs to a worldwide thing. We need to stop going crazy over work.
Herr Starr
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I think the path towards less work per individual worldwide is unavoidable with the way automation is heading, but it does move slowly for some cultures. Japan has been a sore thumb in that regard for a while, and the US sticks out quite a bit too, at least in certain fields of work.
It's too bad that Japan may be too deep in the ditch they've dug to ever be able to get out of it unscathed.
It's also worth noting that even AFTER you finish your long ass work day, if your boss invites you and your coworkers to go drinking with him to finish off the day, you are extremely heavily socially pressured to join him, even if you're not feeling up to it.
So you could consider that even more time not to yourself, and will hardly be fun if you don't wanna be there.
So you could consider that even more time not to yourself, and will hardly be fun if you don't wanna be there.
John Kowalski
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What about: leave at the agreed hours upon employment
Mammoth Jones
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If I left work at 8 I wouldn't get home until 10.
Fuck that noise. I'll take my 8-4 shift.
entremet
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US isn't bad if you avoid workaholic centers like NYC and SV.
Get Michael Keaton in there!
"I worked in a kaisha for two years and ... I witnessed that they sleep at their desks to show exhaustion from work. So basically two hours asleep means they have to stay at least two hours after standard working hours. And also it is considered bad to leave before your boss and as most of time the boss has a boring life waiting for him back home he just sits there surfing the web or reading a newspaper while the other workers are dying to get home or out. (Kakukakushikajika)"
StarCreator
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Some people just never left, I imagine.
lol at that generosity.
8 P.M is still insane. It's no surprise that the population is dwindling with such crazy hours. People need more time together.
The sad thing is that they aren't even more effective with the longer hours. They are just as effective as the western world with shorter hours.
8 P.M is still insane. It's no surprise that the population is dwindling with such crazy hours. People need more time together.
The sad thing is that they aren't even more effective with the longer hours. They are just as effective as the western world with shorter hours.
Fudgepuppy
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Wish more companies (especially creative ones) experienced with the six hour work day. The results in Sweden have so far been very positive.
entremet
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Yep. Humans have real cognitive limits.
Too bad the assholes at the top don't understand this.
FF Seraphim
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Some of my work colleagues dont leave until 10pm and they get to work at 730am. Luckily as a foreigner Im not expected to work such hours.
GasProblem
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MercuryLS3
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Most days when 4:30 hits i'm out the door, lol at 8pm.
ThreePiMatt
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Generally they do get paid for overtime, but often people don't actually declare that they're working overtime.
Goro Majima
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Wow I'm miserable if I end up working past 6pm
Chie Satonaka
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Yeah, this is insane. If cutting this shit down to a chapter every two weeks would cut this down, they need to do that.
I had no idea it was that bad.
Working for a company in animation is just as bad in Japan and they get paid almost nothing for all the hard work. This is why when I see bad animation in super popular on going shows I say nothing and move on. Manga artists just have it bad with the Weekly Jump Schedule as seen above :/
Yup, it's not Japan related but i know a dude who works like 13-14 hours a day, sometimes 16. Not non-stop (gets a break until they need him again so he has to be nearby most of the time) of coarse and lives in a trailer nearby the place. I just tell him whats the point of living if it's that kind of work?. Basically live to work at that point. The money is pretty good though but still.
Just saw this in the morning:
Japan attempts to curb ‘death by overwork' with Premium Friday
Crazy stuff.
Japan attempts to curb ‘death by overwork' with Premium Friday
Crazy stuff.
kavanf1
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Good that they're doing this. This crap is absolutely about tone from the top. I spent 7 years at a place with a "bums on seats" mentality - at 6pm the MD would walk the floor to see who was still at their desk, and these were the people he considered to be the hard workers. Didn't matter if they'd been fannying about all day as long as they were there looking busy after most people had left for the day. Ridiculous nonsense. It's been a real relief to move to a company where working 8.30am to 6pm is considered a long day.
Chuck Norris
Banned
Man this just looks totally inefficientBy the way, at least the salarymen aren't working manga creator hours:
Is this just for "new" authors and manga? I can't imagine a bigger manga like Naruto or One Piece doesn't have a dedicated team of trained artists working on the whole thing over the course of a week.
RustyNails
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I'm afraid to ask the normal working hours of Panasonic employees.
Some authors refuse to have assistants help them. I believe Togashi's infamous for that, he ruined his back by overworking in manga and now Hunter x Hunter has a ridiculously slow release date (thanks to him getting a great contract, otherwise I think HxH would have been dropped by now because of that)
As for the picture I posted, you'll notice all the pink sections are 'the team' you're talking about. He needs to draft the actual pages first before he can direct the assistants on what to do.
As for the professionals, most of them seem to only have the assistants do backgrounds - the manga author usually does all of the characters himself. Murata of Eyeshield 21 and the redrawn One Punch Man come to mind, he does all character art himself and assistants do backgrounds.
Chuck Norris
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How detailed does a draft have to be? Surely with properly trained team they could replicate the vision from basic direction and understanding of the artistic goal
Obviously different than a one man show, but that kind of style seems completely undoable for getting these products out weekly
If the government mandated overtime pay for jobs like software development, you bet your ass this overtime bullshit would be quickly put to a stop.
there are a lot of japanese children who know their father only as "the man who sleeps in moms bed" or only get to see him at the weekend.
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