Not sure if sarcastic, but I don't think they will ever drop down to $300 for another year because they don't have to, I'm just pointing out, there is no way Microsoft is going to $350 again this holiday, they will go lower.
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Gamestop: don't expect many packin's this year.
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LegalEagleMike
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But whoever packs in star wars battlefront would win the universe!
Nightengale
Member
Eh, Xbox has good deals too. Treyach CoD, Division, Tomb Raider..and others.
Welfare
Member
Maybe Fallout if that's really out this year.
How have we not gotten a hint from an insider who got Fallout marketing rights?
Dragonborn
Member
I don't think we have a hint that fallout even exists at this point
RealityPales
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No time soon for PS4.
There is literally a 0% chance that happens. 0.
I don't think they even cut the price this year, given the numbers they're pulling. And if they did (which they won't) it'll be a $50 price cut.
pixelation
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Can MS go lower?, i thought the XBO was more expensive to manufacture?, or will they just keep bleeding in order to stay competitive?
Chobel
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So you're in?
Dragonborn
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I don't know if they can but if we've learned anything it is that MS is willing to do what needs to be done to secure those two months in NA. I mean, just look at this year, nothing exclusive wise till the end of the year, then boom, they flood us with games. They'll loose every month of the year as long as they win Those two final ones.
Final Verdict
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Uhhh no.
Xbone will not get an official price cut to anything under $299 this year, even if PS4 goes to $299.
Bookmark it!
statham
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They are even or slightly lower for xbox w/o kinect.
Chobel
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Source?
RealityPales
Member
I'm absolutely in. Remember I said this:
NO official price cut for the PS4 in 2015. If there are any, it will be at the retail level.
pixelation
Member
Yeah, we'll have to see what MS does and how Sony counters... if they do at all...
Thanks Statham, I did not know that.
Yea, that X1 creed bundle during the holidays sold pretty well and it had me wonder how much of a hit did Ubisoft take from that. Might have dug further then they wanted to
1st party pack ins still have to be big obviously. I'm gonna assuming halo 5 will be the big one this year/holiday then
1st party pack ins still have to be big obviously. I'm gonna assuming halo 5 will be the big one this year/holiday then
statham
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you going to make me search for this?, it was around launch, but the xbox without kinect was like $7 cheaper.
RealityPales
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This. God do they want the US back lol
PS4 is getting the recent games. Xbox One being a cheaper price isn't going to help if it's still being supported by games that people bought and/or have owned since the Holiday season.
They wouldn't need go that low at all. The Xbox One has a good lineup this year (exclusives and multiplats) -- less than $250 would be insane.
The last gen consoles stayed a pretty good price ($300 range) for the majority of that whole (long) generation anyway. PS3 and 360 should have been hitting the $99 range back in 2013/2014 in my opinion -- the consoles are basically a decade old now.
Chobel
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It's done then. Gentleman's bet or avatar bet?
RealityPales
Member
Actually a strong possibility. Didn't Microsoft and Bethesda have an arrangement for Fallout 3, New Vegas and or Skyrim?
I don't even know what an avatar bet is, but mine carries no weight so let's do that lol
Even at $250 I think they'd be in hot water with the higher ups with the amount of money they'd be bleeding at that price point.
SwiftDeath
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There were 2 companies that made estimates on the costs for each console at launch
This is one
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=723016
Which asserts that back then at launch the XB1 cost $15 more than the PS4 to make without the kinect [$90 more with kinect]
I have not been able to find the other one which might be the one you're thinking of
Edit: I believe this might be the other one from around launch?
http://www.techinsights.com/ps4-vs-xboxone/
Has the XB1 standalone at $331 versus the PS4 at $339
Although they have kinect costing $39 to make and both estimates notably lower than IHS which I think was the one most people thought was the better estimate as they are an actual analyst company I believe whereas I'm not entirely sure what teardown.com would be labeled as
RespectThySole
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I'd wager that Microsoft has that marketing agreement. Crazy that it could actually release this year.
No way the XB1 drops to $199 lol. Isn't that around what 360s/PS3s are currently selling for? Especially now with Black Ops 3/Halo 5 releasing this year.
Chobel
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The article said XB1 costs $396 to make (without kinect).
The loser will have to use a silly avatar pic (winner's choice of course) for 1 month.
Shit, Sony is rumoured to have a marketing deal for Battlefront from John Harker? Sony is good at picking their battles this gen. They abandoned ship on Assassin's Creed marketing right before that disaster, and they called it on the Destiny success story and now they got agreements with Batman and Battlefront. Now if only they can get their exclusives all winning like Bloodborne instead of The Order, they'll be in fantastic shape.
We'll see about the less pack-ins thing though. You're not going to tell me Microsoft is going to avoid that effective Holiday strategy if they consistently stay behind PS4 all year and it gets worse due to their exclusives/marketing deals.
We'll see about the less pack-ins thing though. You're not going to tell me Microsoft is going to avoid that effective Holiday strategy if they consistently stay behind PS4 all year and it gets worse due to their exclusives/marketing deals.
Yeah, probably. They would need to have a special (more expensive) bundle do well alongside it. Halo 5 would be the perfect game for that.
I'm expecting the Xbox One to get down to $299 though I wouldn't be surprised to see it at $250 this year. Anything lower than $250 wouldn't make sense to me (though I'm positive the Xbox One would do VERY well if they got it to that price).
The battle is going to be interesting... PS4 is going to do well during the Fall/Holiday season but I really think MS is going to go all out. Major exclusives coming this year + Uncharted 4 dealy = a great set-up.
Dragonborn
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Indeed, but see if you went back a year and told me that by Holidays I'd be able to pick up an X1 with the new AC for $329 (along with gift cards and/or gold) I would also have called you crazy.
Would it really be that crazy?
The X1 had a pretty solid lineup last holiday too (ignoring the MCC launch screw up). I still think Halo as a brand is not as strong as it once was and I'd wager a good amount of Halo gamers have already jumped in via the MCC. Every other exclusive will be largely irrelevant sy stem selling wise (TR is the one I've no idea about, maybe it'll break out).
$299 VS $299 would, imo, end in pretty bad stuff for MS
Goodacre0081
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are they talking about pre-packaged deals like the ACU bundle or retailer made ones?
statham
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just did a quick search, maybe I'm wrong, I remember a thread on gaf which Xbox without kinect was cheaper, but I can't find it.
I came across this which I'm sure you guys did, why is stuff like optical drive more on XB1? some questionable stuff the two below it too.
https://technology.ihs.com/api/binary/489808
Pre-packaged. Not gonna lie though. For $199, I'd buy a Xbone tomorrow and that's the kind of reaction MS wants from people.
I still don't think they're going to bundle Halo 5. It's going to sell, bundled or not.
I wouldn't be surprised if MS at least tried to send out some feelers in Konami's direction now that Kojima-san is about to get the K-bosh. I doubt it'll happen though, given the outpouring of hate at the Tomb Raider deal.
I wouldn't be surprised if MS at least tried to send out some feelers in Konami's direction now that Kojima-san is about to get the K-bosh. I doubt it'll happen though, given the outpouring of hate at the Tomb Raider deal.
Xbox One at under $250 with free games would be on a whole different level than last year to me. That would be crazy. The sales would be amazing (possibly 1.5 Million+ for November NPD) but MS would lose a lot of money. Don't think they need to get that desperate when they have a good number of major games releasing this year.
There's still many Halo gamers waiting for Halo 5 as it will be the first true Halo game for this gen. Halo 5 is going to make a bigger impact than MCC due to that.
Forza Motorsport 6 should do better than Horizon 2. Forza series is pretty niche but Forza 6 should be more impressive; sim racers seem to get more attention than games of Horizon's nature (even though Horizon is more accessible).
Tomb Raider vs. Sunset Overdrive -- no competition there in my opinion. Tomb Raider should do better; Especially if MS uses it as this year's "AC Unity" for bundles.
PS4 would more than likely do better but I think the Xbox One would still do well due to COD and Halo 5 alone. $299 for the only system that has both of those games would attract many Americans who still haven't made the jump to current gen yet.
SwiftDeath
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XB1 blu-ray being more expensive actually means the estimate is more accurate as MS has to pay a royalty to the blu-ray conglomerate for each drive whereas sony wouldn't have to
I edited my post above with the other one you were thinking of that did indeed have the XB1 standalone being cheaper
The other thing to take into consideration is that costs have probably come down for both somewhat although I think Sony might be seeing better reductions with more sales, better economies of scale but it's a lot of guesswork.
Final Verdict
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I agree, I would not have believed either, but it is important to remember that that was a BF deal, not an official price cut, and also, they technically only dropped the price $50/$70(BF) + free games for the holiday period as the Kinect AC bundle was still $450/$430(BF).
To drop the price by $100 this year they would have to remove hardware (like a disc drive) as the investors would not let them bleed money like that, and anything over $100 price cut this year is just crazy talk.
statham
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thats the thread, I would say they cost probably even, with MS benefiting with DDR3 costs going down temp, and in the long run GDDR5 costs going down, while DDR3 rises.
Goodacre0081
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im sure UBI was very happy with that deal. It's probably the retailers that weren't to keen on it. they would be selling a ton of consoles but those same customers weren't buying more games to go along with their purchases.
I think that's the reason why we seen XB1 pull ahead in some of the January/February software sales. people relied on those bundled games during the first few weeks.
Not happening considering that Sony has the marketing rights and is even doing a custom themed console (already confirmed for Japan) which they are considering to bring to the west.
MGSV should be PS4's next Destiny in September.
Btw I'm expecting price drops later this year.
My guess it that Microsoft will drop to 299$ in september (and this time worldwide not just USA) and will add Tomb Raider in every console for the holiday season with extra promotions and gifts cards throughout November/December.
Sony will drop at least to 350$ + bundles at the end of the year, but I wouldn't be terribly surprised if they tried to go for the jugular following the PS2 business plan with a price cut to 299$ (without bundles)..which might fit with what Gamestop is saying.
RealityPales
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lmao I love it - let's do it!