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johnsmith · Sep 10, 2016

http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/09/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-basket-of-deplorables/

Hillary Clinton told an audience of donors Friday night that half of Donald Trump's supporters fall into "the basket of deplorables," meaning people who are racist, sexist, homophobic or xenophobic.

In an effort to explain the support behind Trump, Clinton went on to describe the rest of Trump supporters as people who are looking for change in any form because of economic anxiety and urged her supporters to empathize with them.
"To just be grossly generalistic, you can put half of Trump supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables," Clinton said. "Right? Racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic, you name it."

She added, "And unfortunately, there are people like that and he has lifted them up. He has given voice to their websites that used to only have 11,000 people, now have 11 million. He tweets and retweets offensive, hateful, mean-spirited rhetoric."
Clinton went on to say that some of these people were "irredeemable" and "not America."

While I want to be glib and say "only half?" not sure if this was a smart thing to say. The press is going to try to make this into a Romney 47% or Obama "bitter clingers" moment.

Bornstellar · Sep 10, 2016

Clinton went on to say that some of these people were "irredeemable" and "not America."

This is a problematic attitude that simultaneously fails to recognize reality (yes they are part of America too) and denies a fundamental belief in redemption and the ability of people to change for the better. Categorizing people as irredeemable, or reducing them to their worst elements, is itself a cancer.

sphagnum · Sep 10, 2016

Bornstellar said:
This is a problematic attitude.

It's true.

Hello? This is Hailun! · Sep 10, 2016

She ain't lying

ElectricBlanketFire · Sep 10, 2016

She's right and this won't have any noticeable impact on the election.

DontBeThatGuy · Sep 10, 2016

You're goddamn right.

NoblesseOblige · Sep 10, 2016

Can't disagree. Trump supporter and bigotry go hand-in-hand.

sunshine and gasoline · Sep 10, 2016

Not a wise attack. Best to attack the candidate and leave his/her supporters alone.

Order · Sep 10, 2016

Kenai · Sep 10, 2016

No lies detected.

Leona Lewis · Sep 10, 2016

She's been a little looser tongued lately. First that ISIS Allah comment and now this.

Hopefully she doesn't get too comfortable with the pejoratives. She's above that.

chaosblade · Sep 10, 2016

Agree that it's not the smartest comment, even if it is largely true. "Attacking" supporters is not a winning strategy.

JesseEwiak · Sep 10, 2016

Bornstellar said:
This is a problematic attitude that simultaneously fails to address reality (yes they are America) and denies fundamental belief in redemption and the power to change for the better.

For the latter part, maybe some of the 21 year olds retweeting Milo because they love boobs in video games can be saved, but the 53 year old dude from Missouri who thinks Obama is a Muslim and Clinton murdered Vince Foster? Nah. He's gone.

Not · Sep 10, 2016

johnsmith said:
While I want to be glib and say "only half?" not sure if this was a smart thing to say. The press is going to try to make this into a Romney 47% or Obama "bitter clingers" moment.

The press is going to try and equate misogynists, racial supremacists and troglodytes with poor, marginalized, and nationally disparaged people?

HariKari · Sep 10, 2016

chaosblade said:
Agree that it's not the smartest comment, even if it is largely true. "Attacking" supporters is not a winning strategy.

I can see the Fox News headline now "Clinton: Support Trump? You're Racist"

Even if Trump is #1 with racists, saying this does nothing but whip up the opposition.

Already Torn · Sep 10, 2016

Bornstellar said:
This is a problematic attitude that simultaneously fails to address reality (yes they are part of America too) and denies a fundamental belief in redemption and the ability of people to change for the better.

I hate it when people use the word problematic. Nothing good ever comes from it.

Whompa02 · Sep 10, 2016

She's 150% right.

chaosblade said:
"Attacking" supporters is not a winning strategy.

these people are unsalvageable, closet, or blatant racist/misogynists that live on hate. Nobody will ever win them over. They will honestly need to age out and die before they change an opinion.

Not · Sep 10, 2016

sunshine and gasoline said:
Not a wise attack. Best to attack the candidate and leave his/her supporters alone.

I feel like it's a message to some of his supporters. You have the right intentions, but you're associating with the wrong people.

NoblesseOblige · Sep 10, 2016

Titanoboa said:
I hate it when people use the word problematic. Nothing good ever comes from it.

One could say it's problematic.

johnsmith · Sep 10, 2016

Not said:
The press is going to try and equate misogynists, racial supremacists and troglodytes with poor, marginalized, and nationally disparaged people?

If our press is good at something, it's false equivalence.

anaron · Sep 10, 2016

Good.

Saying otherwise has led to this idiotic "that's just their opinion!!" as if it's isolated from real world harm and we're still supposed to respect that? Fuck that.

Dubbedinenglish · Sep 10, 2016

Bannon, Flynn, Giuliani, Sessions... No lies detected

NoblesseOblige · Sep 10, 2016

If half are bigots then the other half must just be ignorant. Yet to find a Trump supporter I would classify as a good and intelligent person.

DontBeThatGuy · Sep 10, 2016

She was just being authentic.

sphagnum · Sep 10, 2016

Not said:
The press is going to try and equate misogynists, racial supremacists and troglodytes with poor, marginalized, and nationally disparaged people?

Eh, I could see it. The thing is, Romney's comment hurt him because it helped cement the idea that he hated poor people. He came off as callous, and it was done in secret. The public didnt like that. This doesn't really insult anyone except people who already hate Hillary anyway, a bunch of which are proud to call themselves racist in the first place.

EatinOlives · Sep 10, 2016

Watch these "tell it like it is" blowhards get their panties in a twist.

Holmes · Sep 10, 2016

They're actually right winging bitter clinging proud clingers of their guns, their God and their religion.

pigeon · Sep 10, 2016

Bornstellar said:
This is a problematic attitude that simultaneously fails to recognize reality (yes they are part of America too) and denies a fundamental belief in redemption and the ability of people to change for the better. Categorizing people as irredeemable, or reducing them to their worst elements, is itself a cancer.

Fuck this shit. If racists want to be redeemed they should stop being racist. Otherwise get the fuck out of my country.

Glad to have a presidential candidate who tells it like it is.

Boke1879 · Sep 10, 2016

It's true and people need to stop acting like it shouldn't be said.

Time to put a target on people who openly support Trump after all the bigoted, sexist and racist shit he's said and done. Hell just look at his campaign.

sunshine and gasoline · Sep 10, 2016

Not said:
I feel like it's a message to some of his supporters. You have the right intentions, but you're associating with the wrong people.

I can certainly see it giving some people who were already thinking that their fellow supporters are racists the push needed to not support Trump anymore. Still don't think that it is the kind of attack we need to be using despite how true it may be.

googleplex · Sep 10, 2016

Hillary Clinton said:
Half of Trump supporters are in 'basket of deplorables'

Only Half? I'd say she being overly generous.

Holmes · Sep 10, 2016

She's telling it like it is. The wall just got ten feet shorter.

Bornstellar · Sep 10, 2016

pigeon said:
Fuck this shit. If racists want to be redeemed they should stop being racist. Otherwise get the fuck out of my country.

Glad to have a presidential candidate who tells it like it is.

If you want to help someone to change, you have to love them first, despite their flaws. Hate only begets hate.

RadioJoNES64 · Sep 10, 2016

I hate to be off topic but I found this funny.

Not · Sep 10, 2016

NoblesseOblige said:
If half are bigots then the other half must just be ignorant. Yet to find a Trump supporter I would classify as a good and intelligent person.

Talk to more religious people.

I've never been sadder.

TheCochese · Sep 10, 2016

Bornstellar said:
If you want to help someone to change, you have to love them first, despite their flaws.

I'd say embarrassing the shit out them is more likely to work.

chaosblade · Sep 10, 2016

Whompa02 said:
these people are unsalvageable, closet, or blatant racist/misogynists that live on hate. Nobody will ever win them over. They will honestly need to age out and die before they change an opinion.

That's kind of the point. All this is going to do is rile them up and make them push back more. There's no benefit to making this sort of statement, and in the worst case it could hurt her.

Kenai · Sep 10, 2016

Bornstellar said:
This is a problematic attitude that simultaneously fails to recognize reality (yes they are part of America too) and denies a fundamental belief in redemption and the ability of people to change for the better. Categorizing people as irredeemable, or reducing them to their worst elements, is itself a cancer.

Sometimes you have to call a spade a spade. What she said is absolutely true: some of these people are never going to change. It's unfortunate, but it's also reality, and looking away tends to make these kinds of things worse.

chaosblade said:
That's kind of the point. All this is going to do is rile them up and make them push back more. There's no benefit to making this sort of statement, and in the worst case it could hurt her.

Leaving them alone clearly doesn't help, either. I'm quite happy when she makes her stances on behavior like this abundantly clear, and frankly I wouldn't mind more people in power doing the same. I don't want them physically harmed, but I'm not against shaming for this type of behavior. Not even a little bit. It needs to be hammered home that it is unacceptable.

pigeon · Sep 10, 2016

Bornstellar said:
If you want to help someone to change, you have to love them first, despite their flaws.

I don't want to help racists change. I want them to change or die out. Helping them can be your problem.

sphagnum · Sep 10, 2016

EatinOlives said:
Watch these "tell it like it is" blowhards get their panties in a twist.

Trump: says something insulting and his base eats it up because he is "telling it like it is"

Hillary: says something insulting and OMG HOW CAN SHE SLAP

Not · Sep 10, 2016

RadioJoNES64 said:
I hate to be off topic but I found this funny.

One of those is true.

DontBeThatGuy · Sep 10, 2016

Bornstellar said:
If you want to help someone to change, you have to love them first, despite their flaws. Hate only begets hate.

You ever met a fanatical Trump supporter before?

googleplex · Sep 10, 2016

chaosblade said:
That's kind of the point. All this is going to do is rile them up and make them push back more. There's no benefit to making this sort of statement, and in the worst case it could hurt her.

You are under the mistaken impression that these people aren't and haven't been pushing back for the better part of 5 decades.

Push back? What the fuck are they going to do?

Debirudog · Sep 10, 2016

chaosblade said:
That's kind of the point. All this is going to do is rile them up and make them push back more. There's no benefit to making this sort of statement, and in the worst case it could hurt her.

They already hate Hillary no matter what she does. Time to give no fucks.

Holmes · Sep 10, 2016

Btw it's Friday near midnight going in to 9/11 weekend. This will get no play.

Lord Frieza · Sep 10, 2016

Not said:
I feel like it's a message to some of his supporters. You have the right intentions, but you're associating with the wrong people.

That's exactly what she's saying, but it is easily eschewed, and it will be, especially by the right-wing media. But I don't think it'll matter, at the end of the day. All it'll do is energize the base who's so energized already.

Ninja Of Chaos · Sep 10, 2016

chaosblade said:
That's kind of the point. All this is going to do is rile them up and make them push back more. There's no benefit to making this sort of statement, and in the worst case it could hurt her.

The benefit is recognizing that there is a large part of this country that are just as she described them

pigeon · Sep 10, 2016

chaosblade said:
That's kind of the point. All this is going to do is rile them up and make them push back more. There's no benefit to making this sort of statement, and in the worst case it could hurt her.

Oh yeah, because there were a bunch of racists and sexists just sitting on their hands not planning to turn out to vote against the black president's female successor.

Contrariwise, it's important for people who oppose racism and sexism to understand the stakes behind this election.

KHarvey16 · Sep 10, 2016

Uh, that half she's talking about is not who this message is for. Chasing them and attempting to win them over would be absolutely futile. The idea here is to shame the "I just want an outsider!" types and others who are merely ignorant. Riling up racists and homophobes is not going to be bad for her.

Slayven · Sep 10, 2016

Bornstellar said:
This is a problematic attitude that simultaneously fails to recognize reality (yes they are part of America too) and denies a fundamental belief in redemption and the ability of people to change for the better. Categorizing people as irredeemable, or reducing them to their worst elements, is itself a cancer.

Fuck this shit, time to stop coddling willful ignorance

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