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MooMilk2929 · Nov 12, 2016

LeHaM said:
Possible hacks maybe on the USB side of things, or even a game update utill from Nintendo in the works??

Holding reset and plugging in the console (with power off) causes a different thing..

http://assemblergames.com/l/threads/nes-mini-has-usb-data.64136/#post-918974

Nintendo is leaving the door open for firmware updates. This could be custom or official. So perhaps ROM injection isn't a dream.

The USB port is normally used to power the system but apparently it can be used for data transfer as well.

KingBroly · Nov 12, 2016

How would you do it, though?

bomblord1 · Nov 12, 2016

I'm sorry what? How does it have "USB Data" without a USB port? How was this connected to a PC? I feel I'm missing a lot of context here

Geedorah · Nov 12, 2016

KingBroly said:
How would you do it, though?

Someone/ some group could develop a custom firmware - this could allow all sorts of fun and interesting possibilities with the hardware.

Or is this more about the physical issue like bomblord1 states:

bomblord1 said:
I'm sorry what? How does it have "USB Data" without a USB port? How was this connected to a PC? I feel I'm missing a lot of context here

'Cause if that is the problem, I have no idea - I first read the title as "NES Classic has miniUSB". I just figured there was a USB port on the board, even if not available through the case.

FrsDvl · Nov 12, 2016

bomblord1 said:
I'm sorry what? How does it have "USB Data" without a USB port? How was this connected to a PC? I feel I'm missing a lot of context here

Power cord is a USB cord

CypherSignal · Nov 12, 2016

bomblord1 said:
I'm sorry what? How does it have "USB Data" without a USB port? How was this connected to a PC? I feel I'm missing a lot of context here

It has a USB port on the back that was apparently just for power, but apparently it has data hookups, too.

Cleve · Nov 12, 2016

bomblord1 said:
I'm sorry what? How does it have "USB Data" without a USB port? How was this connected to a PC? I feel I'm missing a lot of context here

It has a usb port.

Plum · Nov 12, 2016

bomblord1 said:
I'm sorry what? How does it have "USB Data" without a USB port? How was this connected to a PC? I feel I'm missing a lot of context here

It has a Micro USB port for power.

wowbaggerBR · Nov 12, 2016

bomblord1 said:
I'm sorry what? How does it have "USB Data" without a USB port? How was this connected to a PC? I feel I'm missing a lot of context here

The power conector is USB.

MooMilk2929 · Nov 12, 2016

The power plug is a usb port.

bomblord1 · Nov 12, 2016

wowbaggerBR said:
The power conector is USB.

Plum said:
It has a Micro USB port for power.

Cleve said:
It has a usb port.

CypherSignal said:
It has a USB port on the back that was apparently just for power, but apparently it has data hookups, too.

FrsDvl said:
Power cord is a USB cord

Why thank you lol

Ace 8095 · Nov 12, 2016

I got to get one of these.

Grimm Fandango · Nov 12, 2016

Apparently it has USB for power so makes sense.

Spukc · Nov 12, 2016

Legend tells this device uses an usb port for power.

kingofthedead45 · Nov 12, 2016

So it has a USB port for power? Is that true?

modsbox · Nov 12, 2016

This is pretty interesting. I have the AVS NES from retrousb and it actually works as people are suggesting the nes classic could-- you plug it into USB for power to use it, but then to update the firmware you plug the same USB into a computer and use a special app to update it.

Buzzman · Nov 12, 2016

I wonder if this thing is using a USB port for power?

maniac-kun · Nov 12, 2016

Hope the roms can the extended. That would be awesome!

rackham · Nov 12, 2016

Just clarifying

The power comes through the USB port

Kiru · Nov 12, 2016

Grimm Fandango said:
Apparently it has USB for power so makes sense.

Spukc said:
Legend tells this device uses an usb port for power.

kingofthedead45 said:
So it has a USB port for power? Is that true?

Buzzman said:
I wonder if this thing is using a USB port for power?

rackham said:
Just clarifying

The power comes from the USB port

lol

Cheeseman Battitude · Nov 12, 2016

Buzzman said:
I wonder if this thing is using a USB port for power?

The power does appear to be delivered over a universal serial bus.

AwesomeMeat · Nov 12, 2016

I bet if you cut and splice the power cord you'll find it is really just a usb cable.

liquidtmd · Nov 12, 2016

USB port, power it does, save you it can

Now matters are worse

Ceallach · Nov 12, 2016

maniac-kun said:
Hope the roms can the extended. That would be awesome!

Depends on the size of the flash, the formatting of the roms and how easy it would be to write some cfw for it.

The Elite · Nov 12, 2016

Grimm Fandango said:
Apparently it has USB for power so makes sense.

Spukc said:
Legend tells this device uses an usb port for power.

MooMilk2929 said:
The power plug is a usb port.

wowbaggerBR said:
The power conector is USB.

Plum said:
It has a Micro USB port for power.

Now you're playing with power, USB power.

CitizenCope · Nov 12, 2016

Yeah but what about optical?

maniac-kun · Nov 12, 2016

Ceallach said:
Depends on the size of the flash, the formatting of the roms and how easy it would be to write some cfw for it.

AVGN channel on youtube posted a review stating there is about 256 MB of storage space.

Joeku · Nov 12, 2016

maniac-kun said:
AVGN channel on youtube posted a review stating there is about 256 MB of storage space.

Isn't that like...more than twice the size of every NES game?

Mirk · Nov 12, 2016

While I would love for Nintendo to do updates or addons. This is most likely for repair and loading the software during assembly.

NewDust · Nov 12, 2016

device name CLV-S-NESY... I think we should start nicknaming the NES Mini Classic "Nessy".

Miroku129 · Nov 12, 2016

CFW here we go!

Opa-Pa · Nov 12, 2016

It begins.

maniac-kun · Nov 12, 2016

Ok looked on the web for more infos:

http://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/nes-classic-edition-will-be-difficult-to-hack-teardown-reveals/

Notably, the NES Classic Edition stores its games and emulation software on a flash memory chip, making it difficult if not impossible to mod the system without physically cracking it open and breaking warranty in the process.

Unless you want to desolder flash memory from the motherboard, Brown said, it looks like its impossible to add new games to NES Classic.

The NES mini will not be much fun to hack Im afraid, Twitter user ArcadeTV adds. The 4GBit Flash has an OTP-Area with security features that are not in the Datasheet.

Ceallach · Nov 12, 2016

Joeku said:
Isn't that like...more than twice the size of every NES game?

Just traditional ROMs, yes. However we don;t know the size of the emulator, the size of the OS or size of all the contained media. It might be very full.

But that might be relevant, if the OS is designed to have just these 30 games, expanding them might be impossible anyways without writing new fw.

That is assuming there is some available entrypoint to get past the security to allow writing in some way, and I can't fathom where that would be on a system not designed to ever have anything written to it aside from save data.

N.Grim · Nov 12, 2016

The dream

Loptr · Nov 12, 2016

"NES Classic Mini boot image dump method via UART and USB" https://www.ns-koubou.com/blog/2016/11/11/nes_classic/

dragonzdogma · Nov 12, 2016

MooMilk2929 said:
http://assemblergames.com/l/threads/nes-mini-has-usb-data.64136/#post-918974

Nintendo is leaving the door open for firmware updates. This could be custom or official. So perhaps ROM injection isn't a dream.

The USB port is normally used to power the system but apparently it can be used for data transfer as well.

Wow future rom or game support and I'll buy

Mirk · Nov 12, 2016

Joeku said:
Isn't that like...more than twice the size of every NES game?

More like 100x. Nes games were like 256kb.

I think I might have read this wrong lol I bet you could almost fit every nes game in 256mb.

Azriell · Nov 12, 2016

I would change my mind on buying one in a heartbeat if we can extend the library.

Ceallach · Nov 12, 2016

Everyone who WOULD buy...people who want them can't even get them right now, lol

panama chief · Nov 12, 2016

Now I'm even more pissed at Amazon.

sixteen-bit · Nov 12, 2016

That's good to hear. Would be awesome to sideload the rest of my legally obtained NES library.

Spukc · Nov 12, 2016

Mirk said:
More like 100x. Nes games were like 256kb.

I think I might have read this wrong lol I bet you could almost fit every nes game in 256mb.

NES Library
237 Mb
SNES Library
1.7 Gb
N64 Library
5.5 Gb
GB/GBC Library
568 Mb
GBA Library
8.4 Gb
NDS Library
83.2 Gb
Gamecube Library
867 Gb
Wii Library
6.56 Tb

jett · Nov 12, 2016

Would be funny if someone out there hacks an SNES emulator+roms into it before Nintendo gets the chance to release a SNES mini.

Joeku · Nov 12, 2016

Mirk said:
More like 100x. Nes games were like 256kb.

I think I might have read this wrong lol I bet you could almost fit every nes game in 256mb.

Oh lord no, I didn't mean individually, haha. I meant the entire library.

Fake edit: What that user above me posted.

Spider-Vice · Nov 12, 2016

I wonder if it's some kind of debug thing they left behind and forgot to disable. Whatever it is, it's good news for custom firmware.

rainsten · Nov 12, 2016

Let's call it the Nessy

Cheeseman Battitude · Nov 12, 2016

Now you're playing with power... USB power.

Mirk · Nov 12, 2016

jett said:
Would be funny if someone out there hacks an SNES emulator+roms into it before Nintendo gets the chance to release a SNES mini.

Looking at the chipset used. If it is indeed hacked it shouldn't have much trouble running snes. It about the same chip in the raspberry pi 2.

r3n4ud · Nov 12, 2016

DoctorWho said:
Now you're playing with power, USB power.

Cheeseman Battitude said:
Now you're playing with power... USB power.

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