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Naked Snake · Nov 17, 2016

Update: Ruskies have hacked the NES mini.

BorntoPlay said:
HACKER CLAIMS TO HAVE SOFT-MODDED NES CLASSIC EDITION TO PLAY ADDITIONAL GAMES

Aeana said:
There's some instructions on how to do this on Reddit

https://www.reddit.com/r/nesclassicmods/comments/5mghje/i_just_browsed_through_the_amazing_work_of/

Probably just need to wait for this stuff to be simplified.

Original OP:

Can't believe this hasn't been posted, I searched but didn't find a thread. Might have been mentioned/discussed in the NES Mini thread but I think it deserves its own thread, as I (and I imagine others) was not interested in picking one up, but if there is a way to run homebrew on it and load more roms and other cool stuff then that changes the equation.

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2016/11/a_japanese_hacker_has_cracked_the_famicom_mini_already

A Japanese Hacker Has Cracked The Famicom Mini Already
Opens the door for NES Classic Mini homebrew, as well

Peagles · Nov 17, 2016

Cool stuff. Didn't expect this so soon to be honest. I picked one up regardless but this could be fun!

Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew · Nov 17, 2016

Start the second shipment, already!

televator · Nov 17, 2016

Inevitable. It was only a matter of how soon.

sixteen-bit · Nov 17, 2016

Nice. Would be awesome to be able to sideload my entire officially obtained library.

Zee-Row · Nov 17, 2016

Does it have enough memory for more games?

Gaspard · Nov 17, 2016

Now I can delete Ice Climbers off the system!

AtomicPumpkin · Nov 17, 2016

I posted that Nintendo Life link in the main thread. There may have been others, as well. Also an article on Ars about it:

NES Classic joins the can it run Linux club, has custom distro installed

random25 · Nov 17, 2016

It's bound to happen eventually. Nice work.

The Abominable Snowman · Nov 17, 2016

Eh, hacking such low power devices has such little merit nowadays. It's good to have options, I suppose.

DarkLegion · Nov 17, 2016

The Abominable Snowman said:
Eh, hacking such low power devices has such little merit nowadays. It's good to have options, I suppose.

I thought this thing was stronger than a Wii or 3DS

Luigiv · Nov 17, 2016

Not surprising in the slightest. The way the whole thing is engineered must make it pretty straight forward to hack.

Naked Snake · Nov 17, 2016

sixteen-bit said:
Nice. Would be awesome to be able to sideload my entire officially obtained library.

I see what you did there, I think.

HomerSimpson-Man · Nov 17, 2016

That was quick.

I just want to get one in general, yeesh Nintendo.

alr1ght · Nov 17, 2016

Zee-Row said:
Does it have enough memory for more games?

Apparently has 512 MB of flash storage. The complete NES library is around 280 MB. Obviously the menus and whatnot they added take up space.

SpiceMelange · Nov 17, 2016

Everything is soldered in though. If you want more nes rom I'd expect you'd have to whip out the soldering iron.

brickarts295 · Nov 17, 2016

But how? It just has an HDMI port. Unless you gotta take it apart ?

The Abominable Snowman · Nov 17, 2016

DarkLegion said:
I thought this thing was stronger than a Wii or 3DS

You can get a $40 android box that's going toe to toe (on paper) with the X360/PS3 gen. Or a $70 box that has similar capabilities to high end phones and tablets. There are watches more capable than the Wii/3DS.

sixteen-bit · Nov 17, 2016

brickarts295 said:
But how? It just has an HDMI port. Unless you gotta take it apart ?

it's powered by USB, which apparently is capable of data as well

Naked Snake · Nov 17, 2016

The Abominable Snowman said:
Eh, hacking such low power devices has such little merit nowadays. It's good to have options, I suppose.

At the very least expanding/editing the installed library and enjoying more NES games with that polished GUI and features and in that form factor would be cool.

Pokemaniac · Nov 17, 2016

I doubt this will go anywhere significant. Mods that require opening up the hardware tend to stay pretty niche.

Also, I don't recall this thing offering anything you wouldn't get in, say, a Raspberry Pi.

Naked Snake · Nov 17, 2016

Pokemaniac said:
Also, I don't recall this thing offering anything you wouldn't get in, say, a Raspberry Pi.

The shell and controllers

You guys are missing what makes this thing appealing to so many people: it's an official Nintendo product. The Raspberry Pi isn't.

Lijik · Nov 17, 2016

Pokemaniac said:
Also, I don't recall this thing offering anything you wouldn't get in, say, a Raspberry Pi.

you get a sweet famicon/nes shell tho

Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew · Nov 17, 2016

Naked Snake said:
The shell and controllers

You guys are missing what makes this thing appealing to so many people: it's an official Nintendo product. The Raspberry Pi isn't.

Yep. Knowing I have a dedicated console with a console shell and controller is awesome.

Theanine3D · Nov 17, 2016

Too bad I don't know the first thing about using a soldering iron. I'd rather just retrofit an old NES case with an HTPC than go through the trouble of using this.

It's neat that the NES/Famicom Mini are using Linux, though, I didn't know that.

KratosEnergyDrink · Nov 17, 2016

Naked Snake said:
At the very least expanding/editing the installed library and enjoying more NES games with that polished GUI and features and in that form factor would be cool.

The games on NES Mini has been tweaked and optimised for this device. Via homebrew added games surely don't run in the normal menu and need additional emulators and software and will probably run much worse.

jax · Nov 17, 2016

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oonc9gAyi74

-goes to buy a mini usb thumb drive-

Naked Snake · Nov 17, 2016

Valen said:
Too bad I don't know the first thing about using a soldering iron. I'd rather just retrofit an old NES case with an HTPC than go through the trouble of using this.

I doubt any soldering will be required once/if the hack matures. The community always strives on making it as easy as possible.

I'm not an expert but I'd imagine it would all be done through the USB port. Like attach a powered hub and a flash drive/SD card.

Naked Snake · Nov 17, 2016

KratosEnergyDrink said:
The games on NES Mini has been tweaked and optimised for this device. Via homebrew added games surely don't run in the normal menu and need additional emulators and software and will probably run much worse.

People have been injecting roms into Nintendo's official emulators for years, often with perfect results.

ponpo · Nov 17, 2016

sixteen-bit said:
Nice. Would be awesome to be able to sideload my entire officially obtained library.

No need to be that specific, what else would "homebrew" mean!

nubbe · Nov 17, 2016

The irony when you can run SNES games on the NES

LAM09 · Nov 17, 2016

It was inevitable.

UpUpDownDown · Nov 17, 2016

Naked Snake said:
The shell and controllers

You guys are missing what makes this thing appealing to so many people: it's an official Nintendo product. The Raspberry Pi isn't.

Except, thats actually holding this thing back.

Controller being the worst part.

Mega · Nov 17, 2016

The Abominable Snowman said:
You can get a $40 android box that's going toe to toe (on paper) with the X360/PS3 gen. Or a $70 box that has similar capabilities to high end phones and tablets. There are watches more capable than the Wii/3DS.

You do that and enjoy your copious amounts of input lag. Android is truly the worst for retro emulation. The NES Mini running Linux is a proven improvement in this area over Android clone consoles. If this is a cheap way for people to play 8/16-bit games on their HDTVs with little/no lag, that's great.

bomblord1 · Nov 17, 2016

The Abominable Snowman said:
You can get a $40 android box that's going toe to toe (on paper) with the X360/PS3 gen. Or a $70 box that has similar capabilities to high end phones and tablets. There are watches more capable than the Wii/3DS.

lmao what?

The cheapest android box out running actual ps360 games is the $200 Shield TV

Naked Snake · Nov 17, 2016

UpUpDownDown said:
Except, thats actually holding this thing back.

Controller being the worst part.

That's subjective. Many people love the controller, nostalgia or not. But anyway I thought you could hook Wii controllers to it, like the Classic Controller?

CouchMaster · Nov 17, 2016

Now if only I could find one.

nubbe said:
The irony when you can run SNES games on the NES

or Megadrive games.

gt86 · Nov 17, 2016

Mega said:
You do that and enjoy your copious amounts of input lag. Android is truly the worst for retro emulation. The NES Mini running Linux is a proven improvement in this area over Android clone consoles. If this is a cheap way for people to play 8/16-bit games on their HDTVs with little/no lag, that's great.

Maybe im missing something, but Android is linux?

Lil'DigiOp · Nov 17, 2016

I love technology, This is awesome.

I love the idea of it but yet Im not convinced to go run out and buy one. Im sure if I saw it in person Id geek lol

UpUpDownDown · Nov 17, 2016

Mega said:
You do that and enjoy your copious amounts of input lag. Android is truly the worst for retro emulation. The NES Mini running Linux is a proven improvement in this area over Android clone consoles. If this is a cheap way for people to play 8/16-bit games on their HDTVs with little/no lag, that's great.

Raspberry_Pi_3_1_of_4_711f1ffe-af5e-4923-aa7f-d80651396258_1024x1024.JPG

Cheaper and way better.

Mega · Nov 17, 2016

gt86 said:
Maybe im missing something, but Android is linux?

Ridiculous emulator lag on Android, beyond that found on regular Linux distros or Windows, is a known thing.

Seik · Nov 17, 2016

Now this just got a lot more interesting.

If I can put my library in this, I'm in.

Mega · Nov 17, 2016

UpUpDownDown said:
Cheaper and way better.

RetroPi is not great for everyone.

I spent a pretty penny for a HiDef NES and a Ultra HDMI N64 (1080p HDMI mods, both with near 0ms lag) because the Pi's terible lag coupled with my TV's inherent lag would make games unplayable. If a modded NES Mini is as good as reports are saying it may be a better alternative for some.

Naked Snake · Nov 17, 2016

Mega said:
Ridiculous emulator lag on Android, beyond that found on regular Linux distros or Windows, is a known thing.

What's the least laggy and most accurate platform for emulators? How does RetroPie fare?

low-G · Nov 17, 2016

Mega said:
RetroPi is not great for everyone.

I spent a pretty penny for a HiDef NES and a Ultra HDMI N64 (1080p HDMI mods, both with near 0ms lag) because the Pi's terible lag coupled with my TV's inherent lag would make games unplayable. If a modded NES Mini is as good as reports are saying it may be a better alternative for some.

Whoever made you that chart was lying to you.

Mega · Nov 17, 2016

Naked Snake said:
What's the least laggy and most accurate platform for emulators? How does RetroPie fare?

RPi is the worst not counting cheap Chinese clone handhelds. I believe the person who did the tests in the quoted charts said iOS is the best, although Windows has by far the best emulators. If no HDMI is okay with you, the Wii is incredible and has very low lag, probably better than all modern options.

low-G said:
Whoever made you that chart was lying to you.

Lying how? Explain what's false about his months of careful testing.

http://libretro.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5428

UpUpDownDown said:
Far from terrible my friend.

Cute graph btw.

Please stop. I'm not here to personally crap on your favored platform (I don't care about fanboyism crap), I didn't even bring up the Pi. I was responding to someone saying generic Android boxes are superior when I own such devices and have dealt with their unavoidable lag problems.

UpUpDownDown · Nov 17, 2016

Mega said:
RetroPi is not great for everyone.

I spent a pretty penny for a HiDef NES and a Ultra HDMI N64 (1080p HDMI mods, both with near 0ms lag) because the Pi's terible lag coupled with my TV's inherent lag would make games unplayable. If a modded NES Mini is as good as reports are saying it may be a better alternative for some.

Far from terrible my friend.

Cute graph btw.

Naked Snake · Nov 17, 2016

On the issue of lag, these people did an unscientific test on the Mini vs original NES
Is Punch-Out!! Beatable on NES Classic? (100% Unscientific Lag Test) (Youtube)

Seems like there is a small amount of lag compared to original hardware, but better than other emulators.

Naked Snake · Nov 17, 2016

Mega said:
If no HDMI is okay with you, the Wii is incredible and has very low lag, probably better than all modern options.

What about Wii mode on Wii U? Isn't that basically a Wii with HDMI?

Mega · Nov 17, 2016

Naked Snake said:
What about Wii mode on Wii U? Isn't that basically a Wii with HDMI?

Worse lag (at least in official emulators like the N64 one), and everything on vWii has much worse picture quality than GameCube or Wii. Still awesome that it runs GC and Wii natively.

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