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NES Classic Edition Thread: Now You're Playing With Power* *Sold Separately in Europe

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GTI Guy

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gappvembe said:
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Fucking GameStop. They upped the receipt price of the Classic, so if I wanted to return the book, I'd get less for it.
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Return everything to the store. Get all your money back. Then say you want to buy the console. The price is $59.99 in their computer I'm sure. :)
 
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dragonyeuw

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compo said:
I traded in my Wii U for an Xbone last week, and not to start a flame war or anything, but the NES classic fiaso is the straw the broke the camels back in that decision.

So at first I was thinking of trading in my Wii U for a Switch when it comes out. But then I got to thinking that the Wii U pretty much has no games coming out for it anymore, besides Zelda, which I'm not particularly interested in. Then I got to thinking that the Switch doesn't really appeal to me, because I'm not too fond of handhelds, and the limited power of the thing is most likely going to lead to another console generation of limited third party games.

And maybe if it was just that, I still would have kept to my plan of going from Wii U to Switch. But then I wanted one of these mini NESs so bad, and Nintendo just completely screwed us over. I'm sure that's going to happen again with the Switch, so even if I did want a Switch, I doubt I'd get one for like 3-4 months after release, and I'd have to go through all this heartache again.

So fuck it, I've switched to Xbone for a while. I'm still getting a mini NES, but I'm just a little weary of Nintendo now. I am going to miss Mario Kart and the next Mario platformers, though.
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This post completely mindfucked me.
 
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compo

Banned
Joe Shlabotnik said:
Then you'll probably get a Switch. If the games look appealing enough to buy the console, then you'll buy the console. There is zero chance that being stung by the unavailability of a retro novelty will affect your purchasing decision when the Switch is out. One has nothing to do with the other. If it's making you hold off on pre-ordering, then it's just preventing you from making an impulse purchase for a system you weren't sure you wanted yet. If there are Switch consoles readily available down the line and Mario Switch looks amazing to you, you're not going to say, "well fuck them because of the NES Classic."
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I never bought a Wii because I didn't like the motion control design of it. So, by my past history, it's entirely possible that I'll skip another Nintendo generation. Also, I never said I'd skip the Switch exclusively because of the mini NES. I just said the launch fiasco of the mini NES, and the inevitable launch fiasco of the Switch, was the final straw in my decision. I also don't play portable games, and I was pretty bored when I only had the Wii U, and didn't have access to any third party games. I don't want to go through another generation of that.

Joe Shlabotnik said:
(Also kind of funny that you're still getting an NES Classic.)
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Why? I'm not allowed to like Nintendo things anymore if I don't want a Switch?
 
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dragonyeuw

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compo said:
Why? I'm not allowed to like Nintendo things anymore if I don't want a Switch?
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No, it's just that the Mini fiasco, as you put it, seems to have driven much of your discontent and played a factor in you trading your Wii U( on top of being bored with it/ no more games coming out etc). It's comical to see you say all that you said earlier, but conclude by admitting that you still want a Mini anyway. Your post in general seemed to jump all over the placel, with all due respect.
 
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compo

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I admit it's kind of sad that the mini launch played a factor in whether I wanted a Switch or not, but I can only put up with so much of Nintendo's artificial scarcity bullshit. I'm not going through this all over again in like 3 months, or whatever. I was actually burned by Nintendo's artificial scarcity in my childhood too. I remember I wanted an N64 really bad the first Christmas they came out, but my parents weren't able to get one, and got me a PS1 instead (which was still awesome, btw). So I have some historical Nintendo artificial scarcity PTSD.

But I feel like comparing the purchasing decisions of a mini NES to a Switch is comparing apples to oranges. The mini NES is much cheaper, and doesn't have functionality I don't want to pay for, like hybrid portability.
 
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dragonyeuw

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compo said:
But I feel like comparing the purchasing decisions of a mini NES to a Switch is comparing apples to oranges. The mini NES is much cheaper, and doesn't have functionality I don't want to pay for, like hybrid portability.
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You don't have to use the system as a portable, nor do you have to use it as a home console. That's completely user-dependent. In your case, the portability isn't a selling factor, so just keep it docked. That's the idea behind making it a hybrid, giving the end user the freedom to play the system in the myriad of ways it can be used.
 
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compo

Banned
dragonyeuw said:
You don't have to use the system as a portable, nor do you have to use it as a home console. That's completely user-dependent. In your case, the portability isn't a selling factor, so just keep it docked. That's the idea behind making it a hybrid, giving the end user the freedom to play the system in the myriad of ways it can be used.
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Yeah, but then it's underpowered to accomodate the portability aspect, and most likely won't be getting a lot of third party support, as a result. So the portability does affect me.

If the Switch has good third party support, then I might buy it in the future. I'll give you guys that. I'm starting to feel guilty about talking about the Switch so much in the mini NES thread, so I think we're going to have to agree to disagree about anything else.
 
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dragonyeuw

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compo said:
Yeah, but then it's underpowered to accomodate the portability aspect, and most likely won't be getting a lot of third party support, as a result. So the portability does affect me.

If the Switch has good third party support, then I might buy it in the future. I'll give you guys that. I'm starting to feel guilty about talking about the Switch so much in the mini NES thread, so I think we're going to have to agree to disagree about anything else.
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Best to take a wait and see approach given your reservations. I expect third party will be considerably better than the Wii U. And frankly, despite being under-powered the Wii U provided some of the prettiest games this gen, some of which will still look good in 10 years time. I don't expect Switch to differ in that regard.
 
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Cheetos is Pretty Awesome

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The russian dudes released an updated version of the tool literally an hour ago. It's pretty legit and easy as shit now. All you do is plug the NES in, install some drivers, and the tool comes with a GUI to let you add .nes files to it, and add/edit collateral material like box art, release dates, and the publisher's name. It even lets you know if a game isn't supported. Pretty slick.
 
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GTI Guy

Member
Cheetos is Pretty Awesome said:
The russian dudes released an updated version of the tool literally an hour ago. It's pretty legit and easy as shit now. All you do is plug the NES in, install some drivers, and the tool comes with a GUI to let you add .nes files to it, and add/edit collateral material like box art, release dates, and the publisher's name. It even lets you know if a game isn't supported. Pretty slick.
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Anyone brave enough try this?
 
StAidan

StAidan

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I'm not interested in adding more games to mine, but I wouldn't mind "fixing" some of the box art on the original games. The Castlevania / Castlevania 2 differing in Seal of Quality shape has been bugging my OCD, as well as Startropics being the only box art that uses the Canadian version.
 
TLZ

TLZ

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Cheetos is Pretty Awesome said:
The russian dudes released an updated version of the tool literally an hour ago. It's pretty legit and easy as shit now. All you do is plug the NES in, install some drivers, and the tool comes with a GUI to let you add .nes files to it, and add/edit collateral material like box art, release dates, and the publisher's name. It even lets you know if a game isn't supported. Pretty slick.
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Is it still limited to 60 games?

Love red hot cheetos btw! :D
 
TLZ

TLZ

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Well, it's a NES console, NES controller, excellent emulator, your best NES games on it and in HD. It's a dream.

I'm just hoping we can somehow surpass that 60 limit then I'm in heaven.
 
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Beer Monkey

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TLZ said:
Well, it's a NES console, NES controller, excellent emulator, your best NES games on it and in HD. It's a dream.

I'm just hoping we can somehow surpass that 60 limit then I'm in heaven.
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It's not an excellent emulator. The audio lag and inaccuracies and weird anti-strobing stuff make it not excellent by any standard.

That said if I owned one I'd put Tengen Tetris on it. But not Nintendo Tetris.
 
TLZ

TLZ

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Beer Monkey said:
It's not an excellent emulator. The audio lag and inaccuracies and weird anti-strobing stuff make it not excellent by any standard.

That said if I owned one I'd put Tengen Tetris on it. But not Nintendo Tetris.
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CrashPrime said:
It's a mediocre emulator. Sound lag and graphical blinking "fixes" (epilepsy concerns?).

Nintendo has not caught up to the open source crowd for NES emulators.
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Well as far as my playing went everything looks and playing brilliant. So I'm happy there.
 
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Nairume

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CrashPrime said:
I really hate to keep beating a dead horse, but for everyone remotely excited about this hack, keep in mind a simple device like a Raspberry Pi is available for Nestopia or FCEumm which have no issues with audio lag. The interface isn't going to be as slick as the NES Classic or in as pretty of a box, but it isn't ugly by any means.

As of right now you are looking at a 60 game limit. No such limit on your tiny linux box.

It's one thing to say "well it's a plug and easy for non-tech savvy people to buy on the shelf and play", it's another to expect them to hack it.

The truth of the matter is that there exists a cheaper and better alternative to this madness for most people.

That said, I am all for the "if it can be done, do it" crowd. It's still neat someone did this.
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Yes, we get it, a Pi can do more. There's no need to keep reminding people when it's been stated multiple times why people would want the Classic over a Pi.

And I say this as somebody who has both.
 
Lucent

Lucent

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Nairume said:
Yes, we get it, a Pi can do more. There's no need to keep reminding people when it's been stated multiple times why people would want the Classic over a Pi.

And I say this as somebody who has both.
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Also, Are there really more than 60 must play games on NES? I dunno. Feels like they covered most of the bases with what's on there.
 
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Koren

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outunderthestars said:
Why would it be illegal? What do you think the S in MSRP stands for? ;)
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Well, it depends where you live, but here, it WOULD be illegal. ;)

First because selling items in bundles only is illegal. Second because you can't sell a book under its official price (it may sound strange, but it was a decision to avoid price dumping on books by large chains to get rid of independant book sellers).
 
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Shiggy

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Koren said:
Well, it depends where you live, but here, it WOULD be illegal. ;)

First because selling items in bundles only is illegal. Second because you can't sell a book under its official price (it may sound strange, but it was a decision to avoid price dumping on books by large chains to get rid of independant book sellers).
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Selling things in bundles only is illegal? A lot of retailers do so, including for example OTTO.

For books, it's only true for books produced for the German market and sold within Germany. Prices for English books can be set as high or low as the retailer wants to.

/assuming you were talking about Germany
 
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Koren

Member
TLZ said:
Is it still limited to 60 games?
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No more...

CrashPrime said:
I really hate to keep beating a dead horse, but for everyone remotely excited about this hack, keep in mind a simple device like a Raspberry Pi is available for Nestopia or FCEumm which have no issues with audio lag. The truth of the matter is that there exists a cheaper and better alternative to this madness for most people.
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Is Pi with a SD, an enclosure and a NES pad really that cheaper? Beside, NES Classic comes with 30 games, so Pi is only cheaper if you don't have to buy the games, anyway...

Beside, "better", I'm not sure. I'm not that annoyed by audio lag, and I've had more issues with input lag over USB or BT when trying too use a proper pad. I also enjoy having a perfectly legal solution* and a way to tell Nintendo that I like this and want more.


* last time I checked, NES emulation was legal here on the condition you dumped the cart yourself, which isn't easy, even if I can live with playing with downloaded roms of games you have...

CrashPrime said:
As of right now you are looking at a 60 game limit.
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Not any more.

Lucent said:
Also, Are there really more than 60 must play games on NES? I dunno. Feels like they covered most of the bases with what's on there.
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I think there's several games missing that I would enjoy playing. Granted, many NES games have seen better sequels.
 
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Koren

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Shiggy said:
Selling things in bundles only is illegal? A lot of retailers do so, including for example OTTO.
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I wasn't talking about Germany but France. You can always ask for products to be sold separately (as long as they have a barcode). That being said, I don't know exactly if they have limitations on the price for each item.

Shiggy said:
For books, it's only true for books produced for the German market and sold within Germany. Prices for English books can be set as high or low as the retailer wants to.
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For foreign books, that's the company that import the book that has to set the price, but it works basically the same (although things may be more complicated).
 
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Nairume

Banned
CrashPrime said:
Pi Zero $5
Pi Zero Case $5
1gb SD $5
USB Power $10

You are all in for $25 for an NES based Pi, leaving you $35 for a NES pad. You can (should be able to) buy a official NES classic controller for $10, and a mayflash classic adapter to USB for $15. Otherwise, there are premium options like the wireless 8bitdo NES30 for $35.

$50 vs. $60. Less? Nah, but way better.
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If you are recommending a Pi Zero, you forgot to factor in a USB hub since the Pi Zero only has the two micro usb ports (and unless you are find with one 8bitdo and nothing else, you need a hub for multiple players). And if we're doing everything from scratch, you need to also factor in an HDMI cable. Also, if we are being good boys and girls and are legitimately acquiring and ripping all the games that we are going to put on the pi, that cost is going to go up significantly from there.

But, seriously, though. We get it. You can do more with a Pi. That's not the point of why people would want a classic over it.
 
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outunderthestars

Banned
CrashPrime said:
Pi Zero $5
Pi Zero Case $5
1gb SD $5
USB Power $10

You are all in for $25 for an NES based Pi, leaving you $35 for a NES pad. You can (should be able to) buy a official NES classic controller for $10, and a mayflash classic adapter to USB for $15. Otherwise, there are premium options like the wireless 8bitdo NES30 for $35.

$50 vs. $60. Less? Nah, but way better.
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you're forgetting the equipment to dump roms and 30 nes carts. ;)

(plus the amount of time required to do all of this)
 
PSFan

PSFan

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outunderthestars said:
you're forgetting the equipment to dump roms and 30 nes carts. ;)

(plus the amount of time required to do all of this)
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You may be surprised to know that people that have the ability to dump their own roms have probably done it many years ago and already have their collections well stored.
 
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Nairume

Banned
PSFan said:
You may be surprised to know that people that have the ability to dump their own roms have probably done it many years ago and already have their collections well stored.
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But not everybody in the NES Classic's target audience has.

If you are going to seriously try and force the Retropie down everybody's throat at every mention of the NES Classic, then, yes, you have to face the reality that building up a legal collection of games to put on the Retropie is going to be expensive and then getting it all dumped and set up on a Pi is a lot more effort than a lot of people are going to want to bother with when they can just slap down $60 and get a machine that did all of that stuff for them and functions a lot more easily than a Pi.
 
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Danj

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Is the NES Classic ever going to come back in stock at RRP prices anywhere in the UK? According to Nowinstock it's been out of stock everywhere since 16th December and there is no sign of that changing.
 
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