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Boss Doggie · Apr 9, 2012

Yeah, those threads made me realize that despite numerous stuff that PC enthusiasts keep on saying, somehow they never manage to vanish.

I think the most common thing is the price. Yeah it's expensive than consoles... but not very expensive (usually only 20~50 dollar difference if you know where to buy), and it's pretty much a machine that does higher standards + alot more.

njean777 · Apr 9, 2012

Its confusing to install games. With steam it is literally one button press. And yeah the price is another myth.

Comfy couch

Skilletor · Apr 9, 2012

I see a lot of people saying they don't want to play games sitting at their desk.

HDMI out, bizznatches.

Orayn · Apr 9, 2012

How often it's necessary to upgrade parts is often blown way out of proportion. I built a conservative high-end machine in the summer of 2006 and managed to play new games on medium settings with 30+ FPS all the way into 2011 with only a video card upgrade, when some PC detractors would have you believe that such a thing is completely impossible.

Boss Doggie · Apr 9, 2012

Ahh yeah, comfy couch myth.

Also, game compatibility thing. It's mostly old games somehow being unable to run properly... but then again it's the same reason as to why you can't run a NES game in Wii unless you buy the Virtual Console.

fluffydelusions · Apr 9, 2012

Cost and being troublesome to install games...wtf I just click install or play on steam and done!

- J - D - · Apr 9, 2012

X,000 dollar entry cost to pc gaming.

Makoto · Apr 9, 2012

"Too many hackers."

While I won't deny the existence of people who downloaded their skills, they are nowhere near as frequent as people claim. I've been accused of hacking more times than I've seen a hacker.

erpg · Apr 9, 2012

That they can't co-exist with consoles and that every thread needs to devolve into some kind of playoff match.

dionysus · Apr 9, 2012

One that is bugging me more and more is the conflation of people obsessed with running games at max settings as your typical PC games consumer. That is just a small subset.

It leads non-pc people to think you need to upgrade your PC ever year. It leads people to think that running games on medium to low settings is somehow second class. It makes people think that only PC games on high settings look better than consoles, when it often is actually that the pc games look better than consoles if you just meet the minimum requirements.

SuperSonic1305 · Apr 9, 2012

Orayn said:
How often it's necessary to upgrade parts is often blown way out of proportion. I built a conservative high-end machine in the summer of 2006 and managed to play new games on medium settings with 30+ FPS all the way into 2011 with only a video card upgrade, when some PC detractors would have you believe that such a thing is completely impossible.

But what if I want to play every single game at the absolute highest settings with AA at 1080p and 60fps minimum with no drops? WHAT THEN?!

NIGHT- · Apr 9, 2012

Lyphen said:
That they can't co-exist with consoles and that every thread needs to devolve into some kind of playoff match.

Exactly.. I have a gaming PC and all 3 gaming consoles. Best gaming experience

njean777 · Apr 9, 2012

SuperSonic1305 said:
But what if I want to play every single game at the absolute highest settings with AA at 1080p and 60fps minimum with no drops? WHAT THEN?!

Buy the most expensive single graphics card and there you go, will be set for 2 years or so. Consoles cannot do that at all, so whats your point?

evil solrac v3.0 · Apr 9, 2012

that PC games "look" (this is one is a bit hard to explain but I've heard it a lot throughout the years)

nextgeneration · Apr 9, 2012

Pc gaming is too expensive. You need to upgrade every year in order to play games.

SuperSonic1305 · Apr 9, 2012

njean777 said:
Buy the most expensive single graphics card and there you go, will be set for 2 years or so. Consoles cannot do that at all, so whats your point?

2 years?! *cancels PC gaming*

fluffydelusions · Apr 9, 2012

nextgeneration said:
Pc gaming is too expensive. You need to upgrade every year in order to play games.

Um no?

NIN90 · Apr 9, 2012

Need to update drivers all the time.

MrNyarlathotep · Apr 9, 2012

$10000 dollar computer
yearly upgrades
comfy couch
all pc gamers are pirates
all pc gamers are hackers
all pc gamers are cheats
angles too angular
consoles are more cinematic
pcs dont have any games I want to play like fighting games or shoot em ups or platform games
consoles do certain genres better like indie games
pcs are full of drm and consoles arent
pc gamers only want dedicated servers so they can cheat
console online is superior experience
modding games is cheating
steam is a monopoly and bad for the industry
second hand sales is my right and pc games cant do it
I use a keyboard and mouse all day at work I can't use it for gaming

all things ive read on GAF about pc gaming

BeesEight · Apr 9, 2012

Ookami-kun said:
Also, game compatibility thing. It's mostly old games somehow being unable to run properly... but then again it's the same reason as to why you can't run a NES game in Wii unless you buy the Virtual Console.

Yeah, I've heard argued that PC gaming requires you to spend hours troubleshooting and going through websites to download third person programs to get working because there's no centralized unit to design for.

I think part of that is conflating issues with video cards with some games on release that usually have fixes out pretty quickly.

MrNyarlathotep said:
consoles are more cinematic

lol I forgot that one.

Bumhead · Apr 9, 2012

Pretty much all of them.

I would say all of them were it not for RAGE and Arkham City proving to me last year that compatibility and inconsistent performance can still be a huge issue.

GotEmRunnin · Apr 9, 2012

comfy couch and cost are the two biggest issues i hear most of the time.

nextgeneration · Apr 9, 2012

fluffydelusions said:
Um no?

Yes, those are myths. You couldn't get farther from the truth.

Dennis · Apr 9, 2012

evil solrac v3.0 said:
that PC games "look" (this is one is a bit hard to explain but I've heard it a lot throughout the years)

PC games look too clean. And angular.

injurai · Apr 9, 2012

SuperSonic1305 said:
But what if I want to play every single game at the absolute highest settings with AA at 1080p and 60fps minimum with no drops? WHAT THEN?!

Upgrade accordingly... I built my PC back in 2009 and I have been able to run everything except maybe The Witcher 2 at max. You really don't have to upgrade all that often. And with people going through 3 Xboxes, and getting all their brand new apple stuff each year a gamer wouldn't have that hard of time reallocating is money towards an upgrade every few years.

NIN90 said:
Need to update drivers all the time.

Not even a big deal to do, Honestly 1 annual upgrade is enough. Upgrade too often and your more bound to find compatibility issues with the newest games. But seriously drives are awesome, they just extend your graphics far beyond what you expect.

abunai · Apr 9, 2012

Lower FPS is better. It's cinematic.

Haunted · Apr 9, 2012

evil solrac v3.0 said:
that PC games "look" (this is one is a bit hard to explain but I've heard it a lot throughout the years)

angular grafixxx

Lasthope106 · Apr 9, 2012

Paging angular graphics.

MutFox · Apr 9, 2012

PC gaming is getting cheaper by the day.
People will eventually jump on when they see how easy it has become.

Backwards compatibility - I can play games from the 80's!

Also online communities on PC are much better than on consoles.
I can play demo's from 10 years ago that have an online community.

Also, I can use a Wii, PS3 or 360 controller...
Or what's this, you like the Gamecube controller?
I can use that too! with new games!

TheContact · Apr 9, 2012

the keyboard is too hard to use (myth)

zlatko · Apr 9, 2012

A big thread for comfy couch, I like controller more, and PC's are complicated?

This should end well in the usual vicious cycle of master race vs console peeps I think.

Cindres · Apr 9, 2012

MutFox said:
PC gaming is getting cheaper by the day.
People will eventually jump on when they see how easy it has become.

Backwards compatibility - I can play games from the 80's!

Also online communities on PC are much better than on consoles.
I can play demo's from 10 years ago that have an online community.

Also, I can use a Wii, PS3 or 360 controller...
Or what's this, you like the Gamecube controller?
I can use that too! with new games!

I'm confused, is this a troll post? Almost all these things are true.

benny_a · Apr 9, 2012

The initial investment for a PC might be high, but then every game is free.

Oh wait, not a myth. That's actually what people that have assisted me building my gaming PC have said.

MrNyarlathotep said:
pcs are full of drm and consoles arent
steam is a monopoly and bad for the industry
second hand sales is my right and pc games cant do it

These are myths?

Haunted · Apr 9, 2012

fluffydelusions said:
Um no?

We're in the thread about myths, he's pointing out myths.

Cartman86 · Apr 9, 2012

I'll throw this out there because it's what i've come to feel myself, and i'm curious if it's a popular thing (don't know how one could go about proving my personal opinion wrong though). Playing console games is an incredibly limited experience. You play a game and that is it. Even with the 360 getting all these different apps you can't multi-task them. With a PC i'm constantly distracted by my web browser, music, podcasts etc. This becomes such a problem that sometimes i move my consoles out of my bedroom to the living room so I won't be tempted to use the PC while i'm playing.

All that being said I wouldn't have it any other way, and I can't wait for the day when game consoles can multi-task and are always on. I think the good outweighs the bad in this regard.

Zeliard · Apr 9, 2012

bandresen said:
The initial investment for a PC might be high, but then every game is free.

Oh wait, not a myth. That's actually what people that have assisted me building my gaming PC have said.

Maybe you shouldn't engage in dialogue with fucking idiots.

Card Boy · Apr 9, 2012

MrNyarlathotep said:
$10000 dollar computer
yearly upgrades
comfy couch
all pc gamers are pirates
all pc gamers are hackers
all pc gamers are cheats
angles too angular
consoles are more cinematic
pcs dont have any games I want to play like fighting games or shoot em ups or platform games
consoles do certain genres better like indie games
pcs are full of drm and consoles arent
pc gamers only want dedicated servers so they can cheat
console online is superior experience
modding games is cheating
steam is a monopoly and bad for the industry
second hand sales is my right and pc games cant do it
I use a keyboard and mouse all day at work I can't use it for gaming

all things ive read on GAF about pc gaming

Anyone on NeoGAF who has said any of these FUD facts is a straight out retard, you know who you are.

Also I can believe there are cretins out there that need to justify 30fps over 60fps.

sn00zer · Apr 9, 2012

Its expensive.
Actually far less expensive...for about $700 you get a high end gaming PC and a monitor...while a console with a decent tv costs well over $1000 also games are dirt cheap

MrNyarlathotep · Apr 9, 2012

bandresen said:
The initial investment for a PC might be high, but then every game is free.

Oh wait, not a myth. That's actually what people that have assisted me building my gaming PC have said.

TF2 is pretty fucking good, but chances are you will want to buy something eventually.

bandresen said:
These are myths?

- PCs do have shitty DRM, but so do consoles nowadays (to the point you need to download a fucking app and licence migration tool if your 360 breaks)
- Steam is not a monopoly. And even if it was, it would be extremely hard to show it as being bad for the industry when publishers selling on it make so much money.
- PCs haven't had a meaningful second hand market since the 90s, if not earlier. Now project $10 is helping consoles catch up!

Himself · Apr 9, 2012

evil solrac v3.0 said:
that PC games "look" (this is one is a bit hard to explain but I've heard it a lot throughout the years)

I think the best word for the PC games look is "sterile".

benny_a · Apr 9, 2012

Zeliard said:
Maybe you shouldn't engage in dialogue with fucking idiots.

If two out of 25 people (I work in IT) with gaming PCs are buying games and the rest just sharing them via external drives, then I am the odd man out.

Don't even fool yourselves that GAF's stance on this is the majority-opinion.

MrNyarlathotep said:
TF2 is pretty fucking good, but chances are you will want to buy something eventually.

Funny.

I don't think your 3 answers satisfy myself that I can now classify them as myths. Especially the last one where you outright state that what is being said is true.

Karak · Apr 9, 2012

Lyphen said:
That they can't co-exist with consoles and that every thread needs to devolve into some kind of playoff match.

Pretty much this. Can't argue with many of them. But this one is very false.

Kabouter · Apr 9, 2012

DennisK4 said:
PC games look too clean. And angular.

God yes. I once saw some fanboy back in 2006 or somewhere argue against HD because of those exact reasons. It was literally the dumbest argument I'd ever seen.

NIGHT- · Apr 9, 2012

That PC graphics are a generational leap above consoles.

sn00zer · Apr 9, 2012

I have n idea why someone wouldnt get a high end PC... you already need one this day and time and you'll save yourself a console purchase

D3RANG3D · Apr 9, 2012

NIGHT- said:
That PC graphics are a generational leap above consoles.

Not a myth

benny_a · Apr 9, 2012

A few myths that I believes based on GAF:

Couch gaming is super easy with a PC, just plug in a hdmi-cable and you're good to go.
Well, not with the ATI Catalyst Control Center.

All games support 360 controllers nowadays.
Not even all console ports do it.

Foliorum Viridum · Apr 9, 2012

angular graphics has the best username on GAF for a reason.

My (least) favourite is the comfy couch one. With one HDMI cable I can use my TV for gaming whenever I want. Throw in a 360 pad and it's basically a console from the future.

But still, in every discussion about PC gaming, you get people who pull out the "comfy couch" argument and think they're clever. Retards.

Sentenza · Apr 9, 2012

NIGHT- said:
That PC graphics are a generational leap above consoles.

But they are.
Actually, to be even more accurate, I don't even expect the next gen of consoles to be on par with what a good PC can pull off today.

MrNyarlathotep · Apr 9, 2012

bandresen said:
If two out of 25 people (I work in IT) with gaming PCs are buying games and the rest just sharing them via external drives, then I am the odd man out.

Don't even fool yourselves that GAF's stance on this is the majority-opinion.

Well if we're playing the anecdotal card, the people I know in real life who PC game have hundreds of titles on Steam, the people who have 360s and Wiis (especially Wiis) pirate everything.

bandresen said:
Funny.

I don't think your 3 answers satisfy myself that I can now classify them as myths. Especially the last one where you outright state that what is being said is true.

They are true; the myth is that they are 'associated with PC gaming', because they are nowadays just 'associated with gaming'.

NIGHT- said:
That PC graphics are a generational leap above consoles.

herewego.gif

EDIT:

bandresen said:
All games support 360 controllers nowadays.
Not even all console ports do it.

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