• Register
  • TOS
  • Privacy
  • @NeoGAF
  • Like

mclaren777
Banned
(04-25-2012, 09:43 PM)
mclaren777's Avatar
I've known about the 0-255 vs. 16-235 debate for years but I always assumed that I had my PC set for full coverage. Then yesterday, while trying to find a video codec that had the right gamma properties, I noticed that my computer was actually set on 16-235 or something similar. So I changed my settings in the Nvidia control panel and noticed that all of the videos on my computer now look much better.

Anyway, I just wanted to make sure that more people know about this tweak.



Old (16-235)


New (0-255)


Old (16-235)


New (0-255)
Shortt Sirket
Member
(04-25-2012, 09:44 PM)
Shortt Sirket's Avatar
Maybe I am alone in this, but I am not really seeing a difference.
cutmeamango
Banned
(04-25-2012, 09:45 PM)
cutmeamango's Avatar
Just a small note: If your display doesn't support full range, you are just crushing blacks.
Dreams-Visions
I'm mad as hell but this sandwich is delicious
(04-25-2012, 09:46 PM)
Dreams-Visions's Avatar

Originally Posted by cutmeamango

Just a small note: If your display doesn't support full range, you are just crushing blacks.

a very important note indeed.
Tattooth
Member
(04-25-2012, 09:47 PM)
Tattooth's Avatar

Originally Posted by cutmeamango

Just a small note: If your display doesn't support full range, you are just crushing blacks.

Is there any way of finding out if displays support this?
dvdjamm
Member
(04-25-2012, 09:47 PM)
dvdjamm's Avatar
I can see a difference with the pic of the back of the car,not so much with the other 2.
Zoe
(04-25-2012, 09:47 PM)
Zoe's Avatar

Originally Posted by Shortt Sirket

Maybe I am alone in this, but I am not really seeing a difference.

Can you see a difference in the blacks for the first pair?
Shortt Sirket
Member
(04-25-2012, 09:49 PM)
Shortt Sirket's Avatar

Originally Posted by Zoe

Can you see a difference in the blacks for the first pair?

I am wondering if it just my monitor at work because there barely looks to be any difference to me.
StopMakingSense
Member
(04-25-2012, 09:49 PM)
StopMakingSense's Avatar
That's weird that yours was set to 16-235, as computer monitors are generally 0-255, and 0-255 is generally the default for computer monitors. Do you have your computer hooked up to a TV by any chance? edit: nm, I see its an ASUS monitor.

It's not really a matter of things looking better or worse, but correct. The right setting needs to be applied to the monitor/tv.
Last edited by StopMakingSense; 04-25-2012 at 09:56 PM.
Piano
Foie Gras For Free!
(04-25-2012, 09:49 PM)
Piano's Avatar

Originally Posted by Tattooth

Is there any way of finding out if displays support this?

This.
Zoe
(04-25-2012, 09:50 PM)
Zoe's Avatar

Originally Posted by Shortt Sirket

I am wondering if it just my monitor at work because there barely looks to be any difference to me.

The background in the first one looks lighter (more grey) than the second one for me.
Zeliard
(04-25-2012, 09:51 PM)
Zeliard's Avatar

Originally Posted by Shortt Sirket

I am wondering if it just my monitor at work because there barely looks to be any difference to me.

First pic has more of a greyish look to the black, while the second is a much fuller black.
ToxicAdam
Banned
(04-25-2012, 09:51 PM)
ToxicAdam's Avatar
I definitely see the difference. Images look a bit sharper and 'cleaner'.

Thanks for the tip.
BlueTsunami
there is joy in sucking dick
(04-25-2012, 09:52 PM)
BlueTsunami's Avatar

Originally Posted by dvdjamm

I can see a difference with the pic of the back of the car,not so much with the other 2.

Opening up both in individual tabs and flipping back and forth will make the differences jump out

Images look like they have higher contrast which is great (if your not clipping and crushing the tonal range). Nothing worse than a muddy, flat looking image
kinggroin
Junior Member
(04-25-2012, 09:53 PM)
kinggroin's Avatar

Originally Posted by Shortt Sirket

Maybe I am alone in this, but I am not really seeing a difference.


You may be on a color range limited display
StopMakingSense
Member
(04-25-2012, 09:54 PM)
StopMakingSense's Avatar

Originally Posted by kinggroin

You may be on a color range limited display

No, that wouldn't matter at all. He should just put the images on different tabs and click between them.
Last edited by StopMakingSense; 04-25-2012 at 10:09 PM.
C.Dark.DN
Banned
(04-25-2012, 09:55 PM)
C.Dark.DN's Avatar
Well I'll be
mik83kuu
Banned
(04-25-2012, 09:56 PM)
mik83kuu's Avatar
In this thread people with cheap monitors can't see a difference. LOL it's going to be brilliant.
blainethemono
Member
(04-25-2012, 09:57 PM)
blainethemono's Avatar
Didnt know this also affected games, I've only ever noticed a difference in video playback

edit: wait, are the screencaps from a video or captured from actual gameplay
Last edited by blainethemono; 04-25-2012 at 10:01 PM.
Dreams-Visions
I'm mad as hell but this sandwich is delicious
(04-25-2012, 09:57 PM)
Dreams-Visions's Avatar
this thread is funny.

*waits for people to discover Vibrance and Saturation settings*
alr1ght
bish gets all the credit :)
(04-25-2012, 10:00 PM)
alr1ght's Avatar
http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/black.php
Timedog
good credit (by proxy)
(04-25-2012, 10:04 PM)
Timedog's Avatar
I don't have a clue how to find this or change this in settings and I can't see a difference between the photos and I have a decent monitor.
Menelaus
Banned
(04-25-2012, 10:05 PM)
Menelaus's Avatar

Originally Posted by mik83kuu

In this thread people with cheap monitors can't see a difference. LOL it's going to be brilliant.

exactly my thought, this is genius.
Alucrid
Member
(04-25-2012, 10:06 PM)
Alucrid's Avatar
People really can't see a difference? I mean, maybe not in the second one, but the white glow is gone in the first picture. Certain areas, like the back of car or bottom of the steering wheel are much darker in the second too.

I'm using a lenovo thinkpad too :lol
Nekrono
Member
(04-25-2012, 10:08 PM)
Nekrono's Avatar
So how do you know if your monitor supports full range or not?

I have an ASUS VH242H.
LuCkymoON
Banned
(04-25-2012, 10:08 PM)
LuCkymoON's Avatar
The difference will be easier to see using black and white media.
MasterShotgun
brazen editing lynx
(04-25-2012, 10:09 PM)
MasterShotgun's Avatar
Never realized this was an option. Mine also defaulted to 16-235. It's a laptop monitor if that means anything. I compared the two settings with a short video and instantly noticed the difference. Does this also affect games? If so, fuck yeah.
Backfoggen
Member
(04-25-2012, 10:09 PM)
Backfoggen's Avatar
Wow thanks. Video always looked a bit weird to me, now it's ok.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
(04-25-2012, 10:09 PM)
Deadly Cyclone's Avatar

Originally Posted by alr1ghtstart

http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/black.php

Hmm, I don't have the first 4 squares. Changing my contrast/brightness does nothing.

I have 2 Dell 24" U2410's if that makes a difference.
Menelaus
Banned
(04-25-2012, 10:10 PM)
Menelaus's Avatar
Protip: if you have to ask if your monitor supports it, it doesn't.
fierrotlepou
Member
(04-25-2012, 10:10 PM)
fierrotlepou's Avatar

Originally Posted by cutmeamango

Just a small note: If your display doesn't support full range, you are just crushing blacks.

what have they ever done to you?
Always-honest
always-end-with-a-swirl
(04-25-2012, 10:11 PM)
Always-honest's Avatar

Originally Posted by cutmeamango

Just a small note: If your display doesn't support full range, you are just crushing blacks.

Exactly.
This is the same as Full RGB on ps3... some people might be wowed by the way it makes graphics pop, but you lose a lot of detail in dark areas.
Dreams-Visions
I'm mad as hell but this sandwich is delicious
(04-25-2012, 10:11 PM)
Dreams-Visions's Avatar

Originally Posted by Deadly Cyclone

Hmm, I don't have the first 4 squares. Changing my contrast/brightness does nothing.

I have 2 Dell 24" U2410's if that makes a difference.

I can see them all. 2011 MBP currently in Windows 7.

Display is color-calibrated, though I don't think that matters in this test.


edit: yes, your display's color profile may affect your results, as can any custom color settings you've "eyeballed to taste".


Originally Posted by Always-honest

Exactly.
This is the same as Full RGB on ps3... some people might be wowed by the way it makes graphics pop, but you lose a lot of detail in dark areas.

sounds like little more than what increased saturation does. makes shit more "vibrant", while decreasing actual color accuracy and causing black/white crush on the top and bottom ends.
Last edited by Dreams-Visions; 04-25-2012 at 10:14 PM.
blainethemono
Member
(04-25-2012, 10:14 PM)
blainethemono's Avatar

Originally Posted by Always-honest

Exactly.
This is the same as Full RGB on ps3... some people might be wowed by the way it makes graphics pop, but you lose a lot of detail in dark areas.

I think if you're using a computer monitor Full RGB/0-255 is most likely the better option, but only certain televisions work with it

I use 16-235 when outputting to my TV and 0-255 on my lcd monitor
SnakeswithLasers
If I want to pay a black man $20 to suck him off in a public bathroom, by God and Country, I SHALL.
(04-25-2012, 10:15 PM)
SnakeswithLasers's Avatar

Originally Posted by eravulgaris

what have they ever done to you?

I'm not racist, my monitor has a lot of blacks.
Zeliard
(04-25-2012, 10:15 PM)
Zeliard's Avatar

Originally Posted by Deadly Cyclone

Hmm, I don't have the first 4 squares. Changing my contrast/brightness does nothing.

I have 2 Dell 24" U2410's if that makes a difference.

Make sure you don't have glare bouncing off your monitor. That will affect the test.
Zombie James
(04-25-2012, 10:16 PM)
Zombie James's Avatar
I don't see this option anywhere in CCC, so I can't even try it out.
la flama blanca
Banned
(04-25-2012, 10:18 PM)
la flama blanca's Avatar
IPS panels would generally see a difference yes?
Gentleman Jack
Member
(04-25-2012, 10:18 PM)
Gentleman Jack's Avatar
Yeah I'm in a well-lit room on an iMac, I ain't seeing a lick of difference.
Dreams-Visions
I'm mad as hell but this sandwich is delicious
(04-25-2012, 10:18 PM)
Dreams-Visions's Avatar

Originally Posted by Zombie James

I don't see this option anywhere in CCC, so I can't even try it out.

Video --> Advanced Color.

If it's not already set to Full by default, your monitor probably doesn't support it.
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
(04-25-2012, 10:21 PM)
SapientWolf's Avatar
This is what the 360 "extended" reference level display setting does, IIRC.
Always-honest
always-end-with-a-swirl
(04-25-2012, 10:21 PM)
Always-honest's Avatar

Originally Posted by blainethemono

I think if you're using a computer monitor Full RGB/0-255 is most likely the better option, but only certain televisions work with it

I use 16-235 when outputting to my TV and 0-255 on my lcd monitor

ofcourse, what i said only happens when your screen DOESN't support it ;P
vazel
Member
(04-25-2012, 10:23 PM)
vazel's Avatar
Your computer monitor should not have been set to limited RGB by the driver to begin with. Computer monitors are set at full RGB by default.
blainethemono
Member
(04-25-2012, 10:24 PM)
blainethemono's Avatar

Originally Posted by vazel

Your computer monitor should not have been set to limited RGB to begin with. Computer monitors are set at full RGB by default.

not for me, whenever I clean install new nvidia drivers I have go to back and change the nvidia settings from "use the video player settings" to use nvidia settings with 0-255
Zombie James
(04-25-2012, 10:25 PM)
Zombie James's Avatar

Originally Posted by Dreams-Visions

Video --> Advanced Color.

If it's not already set to Full by default, your monitor probably doesn't support it.

Don't even get that:

Plywood
NeoGAF's smiling token!
(04-25-2012, 10:25 PM)
Plywood's Avatar
srsly u guise

r u guys srs

srsly

u guise

guise
Last edited by Plywood; 04-25-2012 at 10:28 PM.
Angelus Errare
this looks like one of those Final Fantasy games lionhead always makes
(04-25-2012, 10:26 PM)
Angelus Errare's Avatar
If you can't see a difference it's one of two things.

1. You might be blind
2. You have no need to change your settings, your monitor clearly doesn't support it.
Cipherr
Member
(04-25-2012, 10:30 PM)
Cipherr's Avatar

Originally Posted by Zombie James

Don't even get that:

Hmm, its there on mine, I scroll down and I see Advanced Video color or whatever.
Sethos
Banned
(04-25-2012, 10:30 PM)
Sethos's Avatar
The blacks got a bit darker on those pictures, this is on a Dell U3011 with Adobe RGB preset.

Not seeing a broader colour spectrum.
vazel
Member
(04-25-2012, 10:31 PM)
vazel's Avatar

Originally Posted by blainethemono

not for me, whenever I clean install new nvidia drivers I have go to back and change the nvidia settings from "use the video player settings" to use nvidia settings with 0-255

That's because video players should be able to display the correct RGB range by itself when viewing on a computer display. But then again I use MPC-HC to view videos.

Thread Tools