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Sony and Nintendo to present at the Full Indie Summit
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EagleBurnn
Banned
Microsoft, just announce your damn console already so you no longer have to be that guy who never shows up.
dragonflys545
Member
MS out of the picture again LOL.
DragonSworne
Banned
I think this is more of the case of MS not caring about indie developers than Durango not being announced.
They could easily be there with 360 if they truly cared.
They're only mentioning the companies that are presenting.
Dead Prince
Banned
Sony needs to talk more about unity
EagleBurnn
Banned
Microsoft showed support of the indie developers years before Sony and Nintendo did?
SolidSnakex
Member
Are you asking or making a statement? Because that's certainly not true. Just look at the Net Yaroze.
Criminal Upper
Banned
Nintendo and Sony within the last few months have really been loving indies and are making it super easy for them to get their games on their systems.
lol at ms
lol at ms
GetemMa
Member
Jeff Gerstmann and Andy McNamara both said on Gametrailers that with the 720 that Microsoft is seemingly moving ever further away from an open publishing platform for indies to an even more closed and more expensive platform for small studios to operate on.
$50K patches, hurray!
EagleBurnn
Banned
I'm talking about this gen and Microsoft created XNA and an entire marketplace for indie games along with a consumer ranking system. Saying Microsoft doesn't support indie games just isn't true at all.
They sort of did but then it seems like they decided that they don't have the energy to do so anymore.
SolidSnakex
Member
People are talking about where things are now. You won't have any difficulty finding quotes from indie devs talking about how MS seemingly doesn't give a shit about them anymore. There's clearly been some sort of shift in their mentality toward indies.
They used to. They don't give a shit any more.
bigtroyjon
Member
2 of the 6 people listed in the OP as speaking had their most recent games published by Microsoft.
This.
outunderthestars
Banned
The thing about support is that it needs to be continuous. Microsoft has seemingly shifted focus towards media and away from indie games while Sony and Nintendo are aggressively reaching out to the indie community.
This man speaks the truth.
And then hid that indie marketplace in the back of their interface, where everyone forgot about it.
ElectricKaibutsu
Member
My theory is that everyone at MS has been out sick for the past month.
Osiris
I permanently banned my 6 year old daughter from using the PS4 for mistakenly sending grief reports as it's too hard to watch or talk to her
And cancelled XNA, told indies that development in the future was "Devkit again, lol", and then stopped talking to indies about the future altogether.
RawkHawk2010
Member
Are indies really this important?
And subsequently stopped caring.
mugurumakensei
Member
With the 360, MS was coming off the XBox which bled money. They needed to do something to beat Sony. So, in the beginning, they courted indies and moneyhatted Japanese support. However, something happened. They garnered a huge base off CoD and Gears. Later on, Kinect would sell some systems. So, there process now is entrenched with the establishment, media, and kinect. Indies are no longer important in their eyes. Moneyhatting Japanese developers is no longer necessary. Now, we are here.
In a collapsing AAA market, yes. You need smaller people to blossom or the industry stagnates with smaller giants. Some of the giants we have today could be considered independent when they were making games in their garage in the 1980's.
Yeah, it's really well hidden. They chose to hide it in the same place as XBLA games and Games on Demand, just like they hid indies on Xbox.com too: -
How many games do Sony and Nintendo have on their dedicated indie games services? This many?.....
Honestly, I believe MS realizes they aren't going to compete in Europe and Japan with Sony so they are basically putting all their eggs in the baskets belonging to USA and UK.
Indies are getting much bigger, and will be huge 8th gen I see, if the AAA market crashes than Nintendo/Sony/Microsoft will have to bank on other types of games other than their own which would be indies.
If the AAA market has to take a rest for a few years than indies will be huge me thinks.
outunderthestars
Banned
Important enough to come to a conference to discuss their platforms? Yes.
It is a minimal investment in time/resources to build relationships with the fastest growing segment of the gaming market.
I'd make a safe assumption that these guys are the future of the industry. It may pay off in the long run to build good relationships with this group of people now.
Iacobellis
Junior Member
Sadly they are becoming more important every second that pass
Dead Prince
Banned
why so sad
I think the stereotype for indies is they are usually 2D games or games that aren't really that fun, and not everyone likes 2D games, but if you look in the right place, I believe you will find it.
Here are some upcoming 3D indie games.
And tons of others I missed.
I think the stereotype for indies is they are usually 2D games or games that aren't really that fun, and not everyone likes 2D games, but if you look in the right place, I believe you will find it.
Here are some upcoming 3D indie games.
And tons of others I missed.
I think that middle one may be a unity tech demo
It's a tech demo of Project Y2K for Wii U and PC.
Why are Nintendo and Sony supporting Indie Developers?
Nintendo is supporting them because the AAA Gaming Industry has all but abandoned them. By supporting indies immensely, Nintendo hopes that these indies will become the AAA publishers of tomorrow and see Nintendo not as the monopolistic Nintendo of the '80s or the relatively uncool Nintendo of the '90s, but instead see Nintendo as a benevolent gatekeeper who, like the indies, want to make great innovative games and help great innovative games to blossom on their platform.
Sony is supporting them because they learned from the debacle with the PS3 that developers are the key to a platform's success and want to make it easy for all developers to support their system, big or small. Both Nintendo and Sony see potential success in their new platforms in helping the indie developer bring their games onto the systems.
Nintendo is supporting them because the AAA Gaming Industry has all but abandoned them. By supporting indies immensely, Nintendo hopes that these indies will become the AAA publishers of tomorrow and see Nintendo not as the monopolistic Nintendo of the '80s or the relatively uncool Nintendo of the '90s, but instead see Nintendo as a benevolent gatekeeper who, like the indies, want to make great innovative games and help great innovative games to blossom on their platform.
Sony is supporting them because they learned from the debacle with the PS3 that developers are the key to a platform's success and want to make it easy for all developers to support their system, big or small. Both Nintendo and Sony see potential success in their new platforms in helping the indie developer bring their games onto the systems.
Why is it sad?
I think it's great that smaller devs are getting a chance to shine, I'm tired of the same AAA devs rehash every year.
MisterHero
Super Member
I like to think that people at the top of both companies were people who made (or wanted to make) games independently, even if the corporate sides of both have gotten in the way of that.
Those are great alternative summaries though.
IMO MS is only interested in things that already have been successful/proven. They'll snatch these up then and make them "better".
I think the stereotype for indies is they are usually 2D games or games that aren't really that fun, and not everyone likes 2D games, but if you look in the right place, I believe you will find it.
Here are some upcoming 3D indie games.
And tons of others I missed.
Is there are a release date for any of these, or anywhere I can find out more about them?