Rest here:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...-hardware-giant-is-courting-small-team-talent
I'm loving Sony's foray into indie development recently. They're generating so much goodwill, it's awesome to see.
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SCEA hasn't charged an indie for a patch in over three years
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Rest here:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...-hardware-giant-is-courting-small-team-talent
I'm loving Sony's foray into indie development recently. They're generating so much goodwill, it's awesome to see.
SirIgbyCeaser
Banned
Microsoft also hasn't charged an indie for a patch in 3
!
days
Glass Rebel
Member
They just leave it unpatched, like Polytron with FEZ.
SuperSonic1305
Member
Free online, no ads, no patch fees? HOW CAN THEY BUSINESS?!
You mean disgusting? Looks like it hasn't been groomed in months.
XBL Indie Games AFAIK doesn't charge either.
http://xbox.create.msdn.com/en-US/home/faq
http://xbox.create.msdn.com/en-US/home/faq
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
You mean Sony America right?
Phonomezer
Banned
STOP. This thread is about good Sony PR.
Meanwhile, Microsoft is asking for $40k large to patch games on XBL.
It's not really a mystery why indie developers are jumping ship in droves when it comes to developing on the 360 anymore, and based on scuttlebutt on next gen platforms, it'll not going to slow down anytime soon.
It's not really a mystery why indie developers are jumping ship in droves when it comes to developing on the 360 anymore, and based on scuttlebutt on next gen platforms, it'll not going to slow down anytime soon.
I know, I thought the only way for devs to survive was to nickel and dime us to death.
I meant Sony Moon
reptilescorpio
Member
Huge difference sadly.
Keyser Soze
Member
Charging for those slow download speeds would be tantamount to robbery anyway
grimshawish
Banned
Whats the difference between 'XBL Indie' and what Fez did?
Yeah but XBLA does.
XBL Indie Games aren't certed by Microsoft, have a price cap, only work while you're connected to Live, can't award achievements, can't have leaderboards, and can only access 4 out 6 of the 360's hardware threads
Haha yuuup
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Don't worry, you can post positively about lord Microsoft in the proper thread. This is about PSN/Sony.
I really like this particular quote here
"This is not about going and looking over their shoulder to check whether they're doing the right thing. This is about finding the talent and enabling that talent to do what they want."
It feels like Sony is really fostering a lot of these devs and I'm happy to hear that more of them are happy because that means more games for their respective platforms.
reptilescorpio
Member
You can't buy an XBL Indie title outside of the US. A bunch of other limits too like price.
I live in Australia and as such I could buy Fez but not a bunch of games that some Australian's I know made for XBLIG.
funkystudent
Member
Meanwhile in SCEE they delay every indie game from the US 3 months and encourage $1=€1 bullshit. Would not be shocked if they still charged for patches.
At least PS+ is nice here.
At least PS+ is nice here.
I wouldn't want the door to be (even more) open for developers/publishers to push out incomplete products...
"Complete" is kind of subjective in this industry, though...
Don't forget to mention abysmal marketing.
paradise_circus
Member
arent 15 us dollar games listed for 13 euros ?
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
I like what I'm reading
This kind of support and handling of devs is what will foster these great little games. Something everyone should be championing.
This kind of support and handling of devs is what will foster these great little games. Something everyone should be championing.
SolidSnakex
Member
They need to go and talk to the devs behind Routine. They've already said that they're interested in developing for consoles. PSN needs more horror games.
Heart of Black
Member
A lot of the indie stuff, like Luftrausers, was handled by SCEE, as far as has been said. A lot of the initiative came from a dude at SCEE.
So at least give them some loving on that front.
SCEA DOES in fact get it though, we're like best pals, they're super supportive.
So that's where they went! The rest of us stayed out til way too damn late with Adam.
Grooming aside, I'm glad the dev relations team and Sony are getting independent developers on board. I only hope that they're finding commercial success on a floundering platform.
In a similar vein, are SCEJA bringing some of these games over? I know they translated When Vikings Attack, for instance.
In a similar vein, are SCEJA bringing some of these games over? I know they translated When Vikings Attack, for instance.
AuthenticM
Member
Take that, M$ !
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
As a player of Fez, Castle Crashers, Shadow Complex at launch, and many other titles with crippling bugs/flaws, theres not exactly much of a yard stick to meet.
Without bullshit: You can write a twitter post to Shahid Kamal Ahmad, Shane Bettenhausen or Nick Suttner.
Someone in the Vita thread wrote a message that pointed at how "Super House of Undead Ninja" would fit on the Vita at Shahid Ahmad and it seems like that game will perhaps now turn up on Vita.
An Adult swim developer has said people are talking to each other following that tweet.
Without going into Sony vs. MS console war territory, MS has done a lot around 2008-2010 with the XBLA stuff. It was where you went if you were an indie game of note. It's also mentioned in the article that Metrico wanted to be on XBLA because of that.
The notion that removing patch disincentives would result in a dramatic drop in product quality/reliability is nothing but a myth; similarly, I'd wager Microsoft's outrageous financial wall surrounding updates has done more harm than good (though it goes without saying this is difficult to prove either way). You don't see broken games popping up on Steam and the like on a regular basis despite the possibility of things going wrong being far more likely due to the countless PC hardware configurations.
So now 1.5 GB/sec. is slow?
LiquidSolid
Member
Microsoft doesn't run quality control tests. Certification != QA
Anyway, I read the article earlier and it's pretty fantastic. Sony still have a ways to go, especially when it comes to communicating between getting their departments to actually work together, but they do at least seem to be actively trying to improve.
Like you said there already is incomplete games. Removing patching fees is just one barrier to fix them.
Not directly relevant but
http://arcadesushi.com/sony-kills-indie-game-approval-process-opens-up-psn-to-indie-developers/
Alx
Member
XBLA games must have a publisher (hence are not "indie"="independant" by definition).
XBLIG are self-published, MS only provides a way to distribute the software.
I think we should avoid using "indie" for small studios in general. There is a reason why it was a breakthrough to let real indie developer sell products on a gaming console market.
The reported Sony efforts to approach/work with loads of smaller/indie devs must take a huge amount of effort to sustain. I mean the next hit (from the demographic) could conceivably come from anywhere! Still, I'm an outsider looking in; if you're au fait with the market I guess it's easier to do.
EDIT: D'oh, read the thread is always good advice. Just seen benny_a's post thanks to Kenshin's post below mine...
EDIT: D'oh, read the thread is always good advice. Just seen benny_a's post thanks to Kenshin's post below mine...