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(09-08-2013, 01:15 AM)
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Adrian Chmielarz was the former Creative Director at People Can Fly for Painkiller, Bulletstorm and Gears of War Judgment.



UPDATE #2:



UPDATE #3:

Adrian was kind enough to write a detailed explanation to all of this in the thread:


Originally Posted by Saphathorael

I think Adrian should jump into the conversation. He does it all the time in his blogs.

Here I am. So...

1. I am not doing a damage control, but I do want to clarify one thing. But first, yes, devs I know -- and as someone has shown it before in this thread, some other devs already talked about it too -- claim that there's 50% speed difference WHEN DEVELOPING in cross-gen/next-gen PS4/XO games. So there we are, I said it and I stand by it. Notice: WHEN DEVELOPING. It'll become clear in a second.

2. Will this change in the future? WIll devs discover some tricks to narrow the gap? Will stuff like XO cloud computing help? Hell if I know. Uhm, maybe? I know that devs -- well, most of them -- will do whatever they can do get you the best games possible. You're going to see a lot of multiplatform games this next gen, just as you've seen them in this gen, so it's in studios' best interest that there's no clear advantage in one version over the other.

3. Does it mean studios will cripple PS4 versions to match XO ones? Not really, do not underestimate the devs. Even if this happens, you will not know that and that's okay. You've never seen most games in their most powerful form anyway (when we work on them on our ninja dev PCs in 1080p 120fps with all the antialiasings and stuff turned on for shits and giggles). But most of the time devs have a target and they meet this target. If it's a multiplatform game, it's designed with this in mind from the start. So maybe it's not maxing out one console while going 100% on the other. Maybe it's 100% on both, but they take extra time for super-extra optimizations on the weaker hardware to make sure things look the same as on the more powerful platform. Etc. etc.

4. So what is that "one thing" I want to clarify, that some people may consider "damage control", but really is just an explanation. Someone mentioned Titanfall, which looks money and enjoys a great hype. Exactly. A great dev will make a great game no matter what's the hardware. Current gen CoDs looks great and it's 60 fps, on both platforms (well, and PC :). To most devs that is just impossible to achieve. And yet...

Think about it this way. X360 is faster than PS3. Not just easier to program on, it's faster overall (although PS is faster/better in SOME areas). And yet no exclusive on X360 looks like The Last of Us. Halo 4 looks great. Gears blew my mind in 2006. And still, the best looking AAA game of this generation belongs to the supposedly weaker platform.

So if you think that the war is over because PS4 is 50% faster TODAY, then you're delusional. This is far from over, and will probably never be over, at least not this upcoming gen.

Last edited by Vire; 09-08-2013 at 02:08 AM.
FINALBOSS
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(09-08-2013, 01:15 AM)
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Uh ohzzzzz. A legit dev too. People Can Fly are fucking awesome.
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(09-08-2013, 01:16 AM)
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Elixist
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(09-08-2013, 01:16 AM)
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"but Sony do you even program?" MS execs
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Originally Posted by FINALBOSS

Uh ohzzzzz. A legit dev too. People Can Fly are fucking awesome.

Absolutely. Painkiller was so much fun and Bulletstorm is one of my favorite shooters of the gen.
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(09-08-2013, 01:16 AM)
He hasn't read the box yet.
funkystudent
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(09-08-2013, 01:17 AM)
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But Major Nelson said.....

:(
RoboPlato
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(09-08-2013, 01:17 AM)
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Anyone surprised by this has been ignoring reality for months.
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(09-08-2013, 01:17 AM)
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but directx
Black Republican
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(09-08-2013, 01:17 AM)
What have you done..
Mechazawa
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(09-08-2013, 01:17 AM)
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How many Gamecubes is that? How much soup is involved?
Rashid
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(09-08-2013, 01:17 AM)
But muh cloud is infinite
ElTorro
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(09-08-2013, 01:18 AM)
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He is most probably referring to the GPU, and we have known this for months now.
CassidyIzABeast
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(09-08-2013, 01:18 AM)
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I expect him to start copping pleas and/or deleting tweets
GemŁsepizza
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(09-08-2013, 01:18 AM)
Finally someone speaks out. Nice!
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Originally Posted by RoboPlato

Anyone surprised by this has been ignoring reality for months.

Yeah agreed. We already knew this.
Averon
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(09-08-2013, 01:18 AM)
I guess devs haven't tapped into the super secret second GPU in the XBO yet.
beast786
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(09-08-2013, 01:18 AM)
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SHOCKING|: Why would a company make a late GPU/CPU clock up?
Rei no Otaku
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(09-08-2013, 01:18 AM)
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But I've seen Titanfall...
Jomjom
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What does he know?I don't think he's a lawyer or an engineer.
Iacobellis
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(09-08-2013, 01:18 AM)
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Sony is SO back. I love this.
TacticalFox88
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(09-08-2013, 01:18 AM)
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Confirming what we already know.

Most Third Parties refuse to say what we already know for some dumbshit reason.
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(09-08-2013, 01:18 AM)
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Originally Posted by RoboPlato

Anyone surprised by this has been ignoring reality for months.

pretty much

this shit isn't new
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(09-08-2013, 01:18 AM)
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Time to get the popcorn ready.
CambriaRising
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(09-08-2013, 01:19 AM)
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You guys will see! Just wait!
Ricerocket
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(09-08-2013, 01:19 AM)
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Direct X was supposed to fix that difference...
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Originally Posted by Rei no Otaku

But I've seen Titanfall...

You've seen it on pc
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That big of a difference is not good for MS.
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Originally Posted by GrimlÝck

Should have been first post.
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(09-08-2013, 01:19 AM)
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Someone link him a Titanfall video.
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Don`t tell that Major Nelson and that other MS guy who post here.
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(09-08-2013, 01:19 AM)
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Enormous difference.

Superior multiplats all day every day.
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(09-08-2013, 01:20 AM)
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Originally Posted by Salex

I loled
vpance
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(09-08-2013, 01:20 AM)
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Penello and Nelson just died a little inside.
Mikey Jr.
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(09-08-2013, 01:20 AM)
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Lol, 50% would be a fucking disaster for Xbox.

No way its that high.
Krakn3Dfx
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(09-08-2013, 01:20 AM)
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Calling 20 pages on this thread within 2 hours.
maverick40
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(09-08-2013, 01:20 AM)
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No surprise at all. When you have the second coming of Christ as your systems architect you know you got something good going.
velociraptor
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Originally Posted by RoboPlato

Anyone surprised by this has been ignoring reality for months.

You would be surprised, given the amount of fud that has recently been spread. Besides, there are many out there who think games will look exactly the same on the PS4 and XBO.
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(09-08-2013, 01:20 AM)
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Unpossible. Microsoft invented DirectX, so they couldn't be slower than Sony, right guys?
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(09-08-2013, 01:20 AM)
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so Mr Albert lied? Noooo...........
MrToughPants
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(09-08-2013, 01:21 AM)
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Originally Posted by Salex

LOl FUCK
syko de4d
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(09-08-2013, 01:21 AM)
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So with PS4 VR HMD the PS4 could get around the same graphics in VR for every game thats 1080p@60fps on Xbox One. Thats a big advantage if VR becomes big the next 5 years.
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(09-08-2013, 01:21 AM)
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Originally Posted by Iacobellis

Sony is SO back. I love this.

Where'd they go?
Zephyx
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Originally Posted by maverick40

No surprise at all. When you have the second coming of Christ as your systems architect you know you got something good going.

I lol'ed. :D
Andrew_Korenchkin
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(09-08-2013, 01:21 AM)
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Uh oh.
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(09-08-2013, 01:21 AM)
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Penello quote in 3, 2, 1......
Domino792
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(09-08-2013, 01:21 AM)
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Originally Posted by iapetus

Unpossible. Microsoft invented DirectX, so they couldn't be slower than Sony, right guys?

lol
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