You would have to know the total number of failures for all consoles in use. Pulling numbers out of your ass is what started this. There isn't enough information available to come up with any concrete numbers.
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IGN's on their defective PS4 [Up: Sony - less than 0.4% of shipped units affected]
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You would have to know the total number of failures for all consoles in use. Pulling numbers out of your ass is what started this. There isn't enough information available to come up with any concrete numbers.
schwabdizzle
Banned
If I get one, I'm gonna snap.
A hardware issue, maybe solder that melted / cracked and something lost contact with the motherboard.
MrPressStart
Member
Wow... that is awesome. I just hope Gamestop honors it for that time period. Like I said, I am probably worrying for nothing, but I just want it to work. I may be forced to crack the seal tonight and give it a try... just hate to open up that console and go thru the proccess of setting up only to take it right back down again. This console deserves to be played on my Sony W900 I am buying... not a 21 inch insignia monitor that I have had for 4 years. (no disrespect to anybody that has that monitor.... it has served its purpose.)
This should be in OP
What?
i really hope he is right :/
Jawmuncher
Member
After RROD no one wants to take chances.
This is important. One thing I would like to modify: WiiU released a year ago, and if many remember, there were a number of reports of consoles getting bricked, even by people in the gaming press. Overall that didn't have much impact after a couple of weeks. Nintendo updated the OS, things were fine. But the people who had defective and/or bricked units were pretty vocal so it seemed like it was a giant, widespread thing.
RE: 4000 PS4s
Keep in mind the scalper crowd as well. Yesterday there was 14 listed on EBay. No idea how many on Craigslist.
Anyways, I'm curious about the specifics of the warranty. If its a software related issue, it used to be that consumers didn't have any options unless they purchased extended warranties. Not sure if that's changed, but here's hoping. Back in the day you had 30 days of software support (for PCs)
Keep in mind the scalper crowd as well. Yesterday there was 14 listed on EBay. No idea how many on Craigslist.
Anyways, I'm curious about the specifics of the warranty. If its a software related issue, it used to be that consumers didn't have any options unless they purchased extended warranties. Not sure if that's changed, but here's hoping. Back in the day you had 30 days of software support (for PCs)
3rdamention
Member
I agree with him, there are thousands in the wild, and we have heard of approximately 7 of them? And some of those we know zero details about or if they are even real (Reddit).
Threads like this wouldn't exist if people were reasonable. Still, it's part of the fun of NeoGAF.
So you assume that all 4000 people have plugged in their console, downloaded the update, played the system and then have reported the problem on the internet for everybody to read. There is no way to even evaluate a proper failure rate at this point. So basically everybody is pulling random numbers out of their ass at the moment lol.
fvng
Member
anyone with a brain and understands at all how business works should realize they wouldn't want to take that kind of a loss again and would do everything in their power to prevent a repeat
Or maybe a faulty hdmi like kotakus?
Oh don't worry.. that thread will be a bloodbath too.
sixteen-bit
Member
The risk of early adopting
3rdamention
Member
Different generation, different console, different manufactorer, different technology.
Trust me; it will be even worse.
I first played my N64 on a Macintosh Performa 638 with video input til I had a proper TV ready. It might not be optimum but it could ease your fears and give you at least a little playtime.
Mario 64, still the best game I ever played on that Mac.
It's going to be worse since. MS has a very bad history because of RROD.
In no way. You have to multiply the failures per day by the number of days in the year to have an correct approximation.
That's the less reliable approximation in the world, because you only have one day sample. But if you want to do math correctly you have to multiply 7 * 365 days. That would be 2555/4000 defective consoles which gives 63% failure ratio.
Again, that's not what will happen because one day sample is NOTHING. We need many weeks or months to aproximate failure rate correctly.
But talking about 7/4000 is wrong in all possible ways.
DirtyLarry
Member
So out of roughly 4000 units floating around at in the wild, 10 have been confirmed (I rounded up just to make things easy and to account for a few more) to not be working.
1% of 4000 is 40.
So right now, it is being reported that .25% of PS4's have a hardware issue.
Let me repeat that...
.25%
I said the same thing in another thread. Issues like this are BOUND to happen just because of the practices of some delivery men. They do not care what they are delivering, they toss it around, etc.
Now granted it would be best if 0% had issues, but cmon internet and GAF, cmon. .25% is hardly cause for alarm. In fact, I would expect the numbers to be higher just keeping poor delivery methods in mine.
1% of 4000 is 40.
So right now, it is being reported that .25% of PS4's have a hardware issue.
Let me repeat that...
.25%
I said the same thing in another thread. Issues like this are BOUND to happen just because of the practices of some delivery men. They do not care what they are delivering, they toss it around, etc.
Now granted it would be best if 0% had issues, but cmon internet and GAF, cmon. .25% is hardly cause for alarm. In fact, I would expect the numbers to be higher just keeping poor delivery methods in mine.
3rdamention
Member
So Sony didn't put a ton of work in their hardware? You are saying just because a manufacturer had a hardware issue years ago (MS) that they are going to work harder than anyone else now to have the best and most reliable hardware.
That makes no sense. Every hardware and tech manufacturer has had some type of issues in their past. By your logic, every single electronic device ever made should be near perfect, since all the manufacturers would work much harder because of these issues, thus eliminating problems. That is absurd.
It's going to be worse for Xbox though, with their history, Microsoft would need to build them with %0 percent failur rates to avoid it blowing up. We all know it's going to happen.
DrGonzo615
Banned
The problem is, even if this issue does affect a small number of PS4s, tomorrow is going to be a shit storm of those people posting constantly tomorrow.....not that I blame them but it will end up appearing as a much larger issue.
Also Im waiting for the almost guaranteed shitstorm when the 2million preorder people all try to jump online and update their system at the same time tomorrow and the shit crashes.
I HIGHLY suggest that if you are getting a ps4 tomorrow, download the update on to your computer tonight so you can still play games when the servers get borked from the load.
Also Im waiting for the almost guaranteed shitstorm when the 2million preorder people all try to jump online and update their system at the same time tomorrow and the shit crashes.
I HIGHLY suggest that if you are getting a ps4 tomorrow, download the update on to your computer tonight so you can still play games when the servers get borked from the load.
3rdamention
Member
No ones assuming that. But we are assuming these 4000 work until reported otherwise.
Right now, 0.175% out of an assumed 4000 Taco Bell shipment are reported as faulty units. It could be higher due to unreported ones, it could be lower if some If these people are lying(Reddit).
Now everyone calm down. We will NEVER know the exact failure rare. EVER.
What we do know is that the more consoles shipped, the higher the failure rate will get.
exactly ...the people complaining here seem to be, by and large, level headed people with a pre order of a ps4 and a mild concern
the Xbox one failure thread will bring about all sorts of people who will never own an Xbox jumping up and down as if they were being accosted by Balmer
ElRenoRaven
Member
If I get one MIcrosoft will pay. I know it's them sabotaging these. I can't figure out how but I know it is. Them and their PS4 damage ninjas. It's part of project kill em quickly.j/k
If I end up with a defective PS4 I'll snap though. I will not tolerate breaking consoles the way I did last gen. I have faith though because I had good experiences with Sony. Only the one defect and it was handled quickly and easily by them.
If I end up with a defective PS4 I'll snap though. I will not tolerate breaking consoles the way I did last gen. I have faith though because I had good experiences with Sony. Only the one defect and it was handled quickly and easily by them.
Yeah, because that it is all that matters. Lol
For sure; they are going to get slaughtered.
BruiserBear
Banned
Yeah. I'm thinking the same thing. The 360 failure rate was insanely high, but if the PS4 has problems even 1/4 as frequently, it would blow up to something just as big.
Your assuming we know of all bricked consoles. We don't.
But even if we multiply this number by 10, which is likely more accurate, it's still an acceptable rate
Magic? So your first day in a new country it's raining. You will assume the rain ratio in that country is 1/365, right? That's mathemagic.
Ha exactly what I was thinking. multiply 7 times 365? Seriously what? That makes no sense. Even less sense that the 7/4000 number.
Right, we don't know the failure rate because we aren't Sony and aren't receiving the calls about defective systems. But if we were to try to calculate rough estimates of error rates, we can only go by numbers that have been reported. We can say that by what we know, the approximate error rate is .2%. I believe like all statistical measurements, you leave in a +/- 2-3% error rate, which is within normal ratios as well.
LMFAO. Wrong again.
To get the percentage, you would divide 7 by 4000 then multiple by 100. It's simple math.
No one is saying this is the exact failure rate, we can only go by reported failures.
well, that makes me feel a little better. in yoshida i trust.