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MS HoloLens
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NotSmartEnough
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Confused by the 'holographic' term and 'photons bouncing around'.
I thought any kind of real-time holography was a long way away, if this is genuine it's an enormous step forward. The realist in me says it's just marketing speak gone awry, and it's either stereo screens or retinal projection. I await more details.
I thought any kind of real-time holography was a long way away, if this is genuine it's an enormous step forward. The realist in me says it's just marketing speak gone awry, and it's either stereo screens or retinal projection. I await more details.
My biggest question is how this will intergrate with xbone and kinect!
E3 should be fun
cyberheater
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My biggest question is how this will intergrate with xbone and kinect!
I'm not sure it will.
I feel they are really pushing this towards corporates and professional people. I think it's going to be quite pricey.
It's not real holograms. The image is projected into your eyes and it appears that it's really in space in front of you. In a lot of ways that is a better approach because they can deal with very bright light conditions better.
Maybe down the road.
Graphics Horse
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The Wired article isn't specific but sounds like it does something to mimic focal lengths.
My biggest question is how this will intergrate with xbone and kinect!
I was wondering the same thing. May see something at E3.
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They did mention Minecraft with it. I agree though that it does seem like it will be expensive. Will be surprised if it's under $250.
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They make some nifty promotional videos for their projects, give em that!
cyberheater
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Yep. Obviously I'm much more interested in the gaming potential of this.
That may not technically be true. I'm guessing the user isn't looking directly at any screens, rather the reflection of tiny stereoscopic projectors, sorta like the old Sega 'holographic' game, Time Traveler. But yeah, I know what you mean. Only the wearer sees anything.
Uuhg, killed my hype right there
jimbobsmells
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I'm kind of disappointed that Eurogamer called it VR.
hotnheavyload
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It really is a short leap of logic how people could compare HoloLens to Kinect; an Xbox peripheral that was tethered to the Xbox 360, dependent on Xbox 360 hardware, not demoed in real-time at announcement, not a keystone in the entire Windows business and priced at $150.
In saying that, Kinect was a necessary stepping stone towards this and it looks as if all of the R&D keeps paying off.
In saying that, Kinect was a necessary stepping stone towards this and it looks as if all of the R&D keeps paying off.
From my perspective it feels like an updated version of 3DS/PSV AR. Still would like to buy it, but Microsoft hasn't given out any concrete info regarding availability or pricing. Maybe it is still a prototype product.
Besides, Microsoft doesn't have a strong history of leading innovation. They had a lot of fantastic concepts, including eReader, Tablet PC, module-based mobile phones, and Kinect. But in the end it is always other companies - Apple, Google, Amazon, just to name a few - carries out the mass-market-ready version and takes all the credit. I am not jumping to any conclusion here; I just get a little bit disappointed after being "tricked" into buying Windows 7 Tablet, Windows Phone 7 device, $499 XBOX One and a Lumia 920 through all these years.
Besides, Microsoft doesn't have a strong history of leading innovation. They had a lot of fantastic concepts, including eReader, Tablet PC, module-based mobile phones, and Kinect. But in the end it is always other companies - Apple, Google, Amazon, just to name a few - carries out the mass-market-ready version and takes all the credit. I am not jumping to any conclusion here; I just get a little bit disappointed after being "tricked" into buying Windows 7 Tablet, Windows Phone 7 device, $499 XBOX One and a Lumia 920 through all these years.
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How Minecraft is supposed to look
I can't see this thing being cheap as it has it's own computer built into it.
Looks amazing. Hopefully we will hear feedback from folks that have tried it today.
If it's cheap enough. Table top gaming will be awesome with this.
jimbobsmells
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The board game revolution I've been waiting all my life for.
How Minecraft is supposed to look
I can't see this thing being cheap as it has it's own computer built into it.
It's probably smartphone-grade processing guts...that doesn't have to be super duper expensive, depending on what they want to go for.
The bigger cost would probably be in the display and/or maybe the cameras.
Although the latter in particular is just guess-work.
Microsoft's problem is that they're always too far ahead before the technology has matured, this might run into the same problem.
If it works as well as in the ad then this will be pretty amazing.
No it's MR Mixed Reality.
InaudibleWhispa
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No it didn't. Any time Microsoft demonstrated Kinect live, it had the same flaws on stage (and in demo booths) as it does in your living room. People still pointed out the lag, the tracking was flawed (hence the famous bottom of an avatars foot moment) and voice commands failed to register, all live on stage. Kinect works in the dark via IR so it isn't dependent on perfect lighting, and I'm assuming the same is true of this if it's using a similar sensor. The only time Kinect was misleading was in promo ads that never came to fruition (like Milo), not in real world testing.
literally nothing works as well as in ads and promotional videos.
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Mainly because nobody cares about AR. The best William Gibson could come up with was wierdo shrines to celebrities parked on servers along tourist destinations.
Well if its close it'll still be amazing as long as it get supported and not insanely priced.
Alx
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Yeah and you could notice similar tracking latency in today's demo, and notice that they were careful to avoid fast motions. Also the "helicopter building" part had its clumsy moments, even if she probably had trained a lot to do it.
All of it seems legit, and it should be. We know they have the tech for depth measurement, voice recognition, and apparently head-up-display now. The big hurdle now will be cost.
The wired article made it sound as though the person using it was walking on a virtualMars landscape, what's the different between AR and VR in that instance?
NotSmartEnough
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Well there was the nanotech city visualisation thing ('sunflower'?) from Virtual Light, but give me good ol' Sprawl VR any day!
I think that's on purpose that they used that word instead of augmentaed reality because you still need to wear those glasses to see pictures being displayed just like Google glasses.
Real time holography is more like this and it has been accomplished without any glasses : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEaBqiLeCu0
That's not holography it's a projector putting up a 2D image on a pane of glass if you viewed it from the side it would look flat.
FaintColt388301
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Just doesn't speak to me. Good on them for trying. Hopefully it works. Not for me yet though.
To be fair I remember journalists were pretty damn positive in their first impressions of the Kinect (twice even! 1.0 and 2.0).
I personally don't give that much weight.
jimbobsmells
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Well one augments reality (you are walking on Mars and see your own hands) the other is a virtual world where even your own body is an avatar. If I had a table in the middle of the room I would expect to see it with AR, but not VR.
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I agree. The optics and display sound critical for this which probably means quite expensive initially.
PerezDeCorcho
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Halo Wars 2 would be pretty damn neat with this, actually.
Betta Lines
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What's the difference?
This comes to my mind.
I used to be super excited about this...
Samurai G0SU
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I want to use this while driving.
"Why thank you for letting me know the next couple exits will lead me to a chipotle"
"Why thank you for letting me know the next couple exits will lead me to a chipotle"
NotSmartEnough
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How dey do dat?! Lasers? I thought they needed some solid or liquid medium to reflect the light?
Anyway, bit disappointed that MS chose the 'holo' name; that's setting the bar pretty high if it ends up being images bounced off the translucent screen, or even is it's direct retinal projection. Holography it ain't.
Fog. It's projected on fog.
That I love this stuff and I can't wait to see more, but I doubt gaming has something to do with it (so far, and I prefer this way).
ROUGE_BLOCK
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Sounds cool! But....
WILL IT WORK?
WILL IT WORK?
Alx
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This comes to my mind.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7RCkD_32xo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWt6VAteuYw