EmptySpace
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and your "oh she couldn't care less, it's the first thing she saw at her timeline! you're overthinking it!" is some mrs. hudson level-of-deduction.
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Scott Rohde on Amy Hennig's Departure [Up: Naughty Dog responds]
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and your "oh she couldn't care less, it's the first thing she saw at her timeline! you're overthinking it!" is some mrs. hudson level-of-deduction.
And don't forget how often ND praises itself for being a company that allows employees to be brutally honest with one another. Employees with as much capital as Hennig or Druckmann surely get a ton of leeway with their critiques.
LiquidMetal14
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The kinds of posts that lead from that are really pathetic and nearly as bad as the poor reporting in the first place. Some Gaffers need to really not post things just to stir the pot or to gain some king of personal notoriety which happens here a lot as some like the attention whether good or bad. I've been here long enough to see these kinds of things.
Castle Doctrine
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I think you're on the wrong side of Occam's Razor. Sorry but the timing of her retweeting him is too coincidental. Weird that you're so adamant on dismissing it.
Mr. Waffle
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Ok, I'll change the end of the story... she became a distraction, and morally destructive to the team. ND had no choice but to let her go.
All I'm saying is ND has never had a rep. for being an unfair or unpleasant place to work... in fact they have been applauded for their studio culture. IGN... I wouldn't trust something written purposely to be polarizing.
Seriously. It's really sick to use a guys cancer donation as a avenue to subtly get back at someone. And I don't think Amy is that kind of person.
TheBaronOfNA
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I will take it.
The problem is that you just admitted that the speculation has a perfectly reasonable reason and you just want to believe that there is something "subtle" at work.
You heard about Occam's razor?
gundamkyoukai
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ND just clear up that Bruce and Neil did not force her out which made sense since they are not the bosses .
Now the question is why she leave but to be honest it looks like ND let her go .
We are most likely never going to find out the reason but it happens all the time in business .
I suppose, but this was after she left Naughty Dog and had clearly agreed not to talk about it. Again, just a theory.
We're all sitting here speculating because the parties involved have had ample opportunity to clarify and have chosen not to. It's their right to do that, but it's also fair for people to wonder about what happened. ND didn't 'set the record straight' at all.
TheBaronOfNA
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Read my past post where I said that I believe that there some accuaricy in IGN article....
Timing...
UntoldDreams
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I had a coworker highly skilled at what they did. Responsible about their work too.
The Problem? Absolutely unpleasant to work with for "certain people" they didn't get along with. Unworkable for those few people due to personality conflict.
No one knows this. No one knows the drama or the personalities at play outside the company. No one knows what happens during a salary contract negotiation. No one knows anything outside the company walls.
So what do we get out of this "report"? You know GAF has provided that UNETHICAL IGN journalist a wild speculation 20 page thread of people accusing people of wrongdoing which is baseless fiction for the most part.
I think IGN can REPORT their rumors but its was REPREHENSIBLE to point at someone and make career crushing accusations. HOLY CRAP how could they do that?
The Problem? Absolutely unpleasant to work with for "certain people" they didn't get along with. Unworkable for those few people due to personality conflict.
No one knows this. No one knows the drama or the personalities at play outside the company. No one knows what happens during a salary contract negotiation. No one knows anything outside the company walls.
So what do we get out of this "report"? You know GAF has provided that UNETHICAL IGN journalist a wild speculation 20 page thread of people accusing people of wrongdoing which is baseless fiction for the most part.
I think IGN can REPORT their rumors but its was REPREHENSIBLE to point at someone and make career crushing accusations. HOLY CRAP how could they do that?
bigboss370
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now we have people making fan fiction about the situation. jesus christ
Is it really though? Is it really actually what happened?
Why does there have to be a conspiracy. She left Naughty Dog. It happens. Maybe she felt like she was being forced out, maybe she wasn't. What use is there in taking sides or speculating about why it happened? If she wanted to, she can come out and say "I was treated like a bitch". But, as far as I know, she has not.
In other words, gossip like a bunch of Orlando bluehairs.
Vire
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Regardless of where you stand on the Boyer tweeting nonsense, I hope you guys take a look and donate.
http://www.gofundme.com/brandonnn
Pretty unfortunate situation, but glad to see he already got 71K.
http://www.gofundme.com/brandonnn
Pretty unfortunate situation, but glad to see he already got 71K.
Sorry dude but based on your past I don't think you even care about Amy. I you just want a chance to shit on ND.
UnObtainium17
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Why are some believing that Neil and Bruce wasn't the reason Amy left? Though I'm not saying we should believe that ign article either. I think both parties are capable of making shit up.
We might never know the full truth behind this. No way amy will leave in the middle of a project w/o a huge reason that's for sure.
Edit: removed the generalizations.
We might never know the full truth behind this. No way amy will leave in the middle of a project w/o a huge reason that's for sure.
Edit: removed the generalizations.
Or subtly standing up for Dyer who's being attacked by ND for telling the truth?
TheBaronOfNA
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With a note of a charity to ex colleague suffering a painful disease.
The whole industry needs to grow up. This kind of stuff is business as usual across many other industries.
Disagreements between employees happen. Reporters getting bad information happens. Reporters getting good information that companies don't necessarily want getting out...also happens.
We can only deal with what we know to be fact and draw our own conclusions from that. When you have two extremes like this, the truth usually lies somewhere in the middle. I'm not going to speculate because this thread alone shows the type of outlandish conclusions you can come to.
All we know for sure is Hennig is gone and not because she wanted to be. Maybe "forced out" isn't the politically correct way of saying, but it's essentially the same thing as being fired or asked to leave. The reasons for that firing make all the difference in terms of how we would view the situation; unfortunately, it's not something we as consumers have any "right" to know. We'd all love to know, no doubt...but we shouldn't. And we likely never will. Naughty Dog made a decision to move on and she's gone. If you like them both, it freaking sucks. But there's nothing stopping you from supporting both parties in the future.
Edit: And make no mistake, this isn't the end of this. Naughty Dog has called IGN out by explicitly referring to their report as "unprofessionally misreported." Dyer and IGN's name is now on the line. As much as folks like to hate on IGN, they're the biggest video game site on the net and they know how closely folks are watching this story. I would expect them to do one of two things: 1) Double-down on their original story and further explain/solidify what they meant and how sure they are of their source OR 2) Issue an apology to Naughty Dog, Straley and Druckmann.
prag16
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Let's not go ad hominem. You're working very very hard to dismiss out of hand a very plausible (even if it ultimately ends up being unfounded) connection. Very hard. Why?
All you have to say is, "Yeah, it could be, but I really don't think so," and we'd be done here. Instead you've taken the "you're all a bunch of crazy nut job parodies" route...
Agreed. I brought up occam's razor a few pages ago. His adamance seems to be unfounded, and the centerpiece of the argument is something something tinfoil hat.. I don't really get it.
Amy is great and I wish her all the best. I'm sure she's going to continue to do great things.
I'm not sure why any more need to be said beyond that. Some gaffers act like they've never worked in a professional environment. Personnel change happens all the time. People move on, people change, for all sorts of different reasons. It's normal and it's just life. A good organization will continue to function the way it's always been. The end. It's pretty normal for any healthy organization.
I'm not sure why any more need to be said beyond that. Some gaffers act like they've never worked in a professional environment. Personnel change happens all the time. People move on, people change, for all sorts of different reasons. It's normal and it's just life. A good organization will continue to function the way it's always been. The end. It's pretty normal for any healthy organization.
EmptySpace
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"perfectly reasonable reason"? where did i say that. i just said it has context. you are brushing it off as a random occurence, which is highly unlikely. what are the chances a perfectly self-aware individual will do that consciously, randomly? that's the brakes.
This post is pretty fucking awful also.
Defending them against what exactly ............. blind conjecture? Defamation based on said conjecture?
All this based on the fact that someone no longer works at a place they once did!
If someone leaving a job is a the reason for this circus then surely we should have this carnival of stupid daily ........ games industry has a high turnover of staff.
Embarrassing in the altogether.
You said that much better than I did and in far fewer words, but I agree 100% with this.
HORRORSHØW
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this fucking guy.
TheBaronOfNA
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Except is not very plausible. Except that the guy that introduced the theory admitted that it was "for fun". Except that you admitted that it is unfounded (innocent until proven guilty). Sorry that I don't feel that is good sport to create conspiracy theories with tweets related with helping a person with cancer.
You'd be right if this wasn't a creative industry, and if Amy Hennig wasn't so closely associated with Uncharted and responsible for what it is. Take Dan Harmon leaving Community for example, this isn't just standard personnel changes.
prag16
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This. I don't see it as "using a cancer patient to get a subtle dig in at somebody". I see it potentially as "subtly standing up for herself and Dyer while simultaneously promoting a good cause."
So anyone rolling in here getting all sanctimonious, you can stop now.
RyanPierre
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I gotta make sure to follow Amy Hennig and Mitch Dyer on Twitter so I can get the scoop on all the secret messages they plan to send us via subtle RTs and favorites.
Vire
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It's easy to say that, but when the person involved is a large part of what makes Uncharted what it is today, it's not hard to see why people are incensed about the topic.
It's the equivalent of some prized director leaving his or her long established pet project behind. Do hundreds of people work on the Uncharted series? Of course, but many would argue the story is the most important aspect to the franchise. This isn't just normal procedure.
EDIT: On the same wavelength.
Exactly. If someone just lied about the circumstances on why I was fired and was also ruining the reputations of people that I worked with I probably would not be retweeting anything by that person let alone following them. But that's just me.
Given that we have no idea who the sources were or anything to do with the circumstances of her departure, I wouldn't make too many assumptions. Something probably happened. It could've been her fault, it could've been Naughty Dog's fault, it could've been both of their faults. Making assumptions based on unknown sources who could have easily had a friendship with Amy Hennig is probably not the most logical course of action. That's also assuming the sources had first hand knowledge of the situation. I've seen plenty of pretty shady behavior by corporations in my life in the workforce. I'm sure most of us have. That doesn't mean Naughty Dog has to be at fault here. Sometimes things happen. It sucks, but that's life.
Amy Hennig retweeting Mitch Dyer's plea for people to donate to Brandon Boyer's cancer crowd funding initiative is completely separate from her departure.
certainly some of the worst grasping for straws I have seen
prag16
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Except that it IS very plausible. I said it "may" turn out to be unfounded. I did not "admit it was unfounded". The guy who first posted the tweet probably only qualified it that way so that he wouldn't later need a flame shield.
The original question still stands. What is your enormous investment in this that makes you so absolutely adamant? As was said, you're standing on the wrong side of occam's razor on this based on what we know now. Doesn't mean you're definitely wrong, but you have no basis to be so adamant.
All that said, I think it's correct to say that this topic is becoming an embarrassment, with too many assumptions being made on all sides. Somebody fire up the modbot signal.
TheBaronOfNA
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Jesus...
reptilescorpio
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Maybe she was planning on jumping ship to another developer and Bruce Straley and Neil Druckmann found out about it through developer friends and tattled on her to the studio heads?
Lots of developers have been changing companies lately. Remember even Naughty Dog have picked up a few ex-Microsoft people in the last year.
Lots of developers have been changing companies lately. Remember even Naughty Dog have picked up a few ex-Microsoft people in the last year.
It was about a former coworker with cancer. She may have just been looking through his tweets to see if he said anything else about the situation with her and clicked retweet on the link because of the cause.
Louis Cyphre
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Basically they want to set the record straight that Bruce and Neil were not involved in what transpired but don't want to tell us why someone who won awards for the Uncharted series suddenly left during the development of the next game.
Guys, please stop with the horrible fiction.
TheBaronOfNA
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I hate that kind of gossip and I dislike that people consider it a valid argument and I think that is tasteless given it has to do with a person with cancer.
prag16
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And that's how you lose an argument on the internet...
Well, all you've done is dismiss the prospect out of hand with no backing. For as little backing proponents of the "theory" have, you have less.
But the consensus forming now is correct. This thread needs to die, and soon. I will be excusing myself from it at this point in time.
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