Yes, this is a good paragraph on the display and optics differences as they perceived them:
They'll probably end up converging on each other in the consumer models.
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GDC Expo: hands on impressions/media of Project Morpheus (Sony VR)
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Yes, this is a good paragraph on the display and optics differences as they perceived them:
They'll probably end up converging on each other in the consumer models.
If you have the time, I recommend you watch this video, it's about 30mins but it explains why VR needs to be the way it is and why it's so great. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-2dQoeqVVo
Rift is OLED though right? Could that be what they're referring to.
Thanks for the link, love stuff like this. Could you link me to the most impressive vids or at least the videos that capture the immersiveness the best? Hoping to make it out to E3 this year, so I'm assuming I'll get to try it then, but for now I'll scratch that itch with vids.
cebri.one
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I'm kind of impressed of how many prototypes they have available. I guess they'll have ton of them for E3 + new software.
I'd say late 2015 release at 250$ (VR+Camera). Probably PS4 will cost 300/350$ by then, so not that expensive for a full gaming system.
OLED removes a lot of the latency, i guess the final SONY product will also have those type of screens. After all i believe they do manufacture them.
I'd say late 2015 release at 250$ (VR+Camera). Probably PS4 will cost 300/350$ by then, so not that expensive for a full gaming system.
OLED removes a lot of the latency, i guess the final SONY product will also have those type of screens. After all i believe they do manufacture them.
Indeed, between the wider FoV and the pentile matrix, objectively Morpheus has the superior resolution. Obviously the image quality on the DK2 is going to be superior, but not for the reason they've stated.
For you maybe, and those like you that will never want VR no matter what.
For those like me though, it's a new and exciting beginning in gaming.
Though really it's not even the end of gaming for you since traditional gaming will be around a long while yet even if VR becomes standardized many years from now.
'Blur', especially with motion, speaks to persistence vs low persistence.
AbortedWalrusFetus
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I agree. In some ways it's definitely a positive because they'll be able to get the final tech better and cheaper. In some ways it sucks because I want it now.
Verge is the only one stating so not really refering to anyone.
anchorman128
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My biggest question regarding Project Morpheus, is will the device and the screen inside be compatible with AMD freesync? That would be a big step towards improving IQ problems, and might actually make games at sub 60fps possible (completely conjecture, however seeing how well G-sync performs I don't think its out of the question).
Also, they mentioned 3D audio to help improve immersion, I assume this is using that AMD True Audio DSP correct?
Also, they mentioned 3D audio to help improve immersion, I assume this is using that AMD True Audio DSP correct?
juicyfruitas
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Just spoke with a co-worker who's at the GDC show floor.
He wanted to give morph a test spin but said the lines is 'hundreds' of people deep and moving at a snail's pace.
But he also said that when you watch the reactions of those who just finished the demo there's a lot of 'wow' type reaction immediately afterward.
He wanted to give morph a test spin but said the lines is 'hundreds' of people deep and moving at a snail's pace.
But he also said that when you watch the reactions of those who just finished the demo there's a lot of 'wow' type reaction immediately afterward.
thunder_snail
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Ideal team:
1) Oculus for R&D on how to make VR better
2) Sony for lenses from their experience with cameras
3) Samsung for OLED
Chance of this happening: 0%
Still got a lot of learning to do I guess. Didn't sony claim low persistence?
KoopaTheCasual
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Neato. Impressed with Morpheus managing to reduce the screen-door effect better than Crystal Cove, since I thought CC having OLED would give Oculus the edge in that regard? But that FOV sounds like a problem that I hope they can fix.
I don't know nothing bout no fancy virtual doo-dads, but how expensive would it be to increase FOV? Is that simply a financial barrier, or an experimental barrier?
Freeman
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Sony manufactures OLED as well or am I incorrect?
I remember that they released the first OLED TV.
hodayathink
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960x540, or something like that. But if this thing isn't coming out this year, then they can target something like whatever screen they're going to use in their next flagship Xperia phone at a basic level (though I don't think low persistence is something that's a buzzword feature for mobile panels yet outside of VR).
FunkyPajamas
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4) Crytek, Epic and Valve as official VR SDK providers (CryEngine, Unreal, Source).
Chance of this happening: -100%.
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Yes, but not everything in their presentation necessarily would be in their dev kit prototype. It's not final, it's what they consider good enough for devs to work with.
Some other pics from The Verge:
http://www.theverge.com/2014/3/19/5526918/sony-project-morpheus-virtual-reality-headset-photos
thunder_snail
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I've read somewhere Sony will be moving away from their TV business.
I'm not too knowledgeable about display businesses but it seems like Samsung is the one who's really pushing OLED these days with their phones. Even the new Vita is not using OLED anymore.
Yes, but not everything in their presentation necessarily would be in their dev kit prototype. It's not final, it's what they consider good enough for devs to work with.
Some other pics from The Verge:
http://www.theverge.com/2014/3/19/5526918/sony-project-morpheus-virtual-reality-headset-photos
Damn that looks comfy and sleek.
backbreaker65
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NICE
I'm not sure about the FOV. Other reports say it looks the same as DK1. 90 horizontal would be the same. If it's 90 diagonal it would not. It's possible the curved/'half-moon' qualities that The Verge saw at the periphery is giving them the impression of a different fov than is actually the case.
iceatcs
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Holy shit, eye tracking? Nice.Yes, but not everything in their presentation necessarily would be in their dev kit prototype. It's not final, it's what they consider good enough for devs to work with.
Some other pics from The Verge:
http://www.theverge.com/2014/3/19/5526918/sony-project-morpheus-virtual-reality-headset-photos
akalongman
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A good deal of that "don't sit too close to the screen or you'll ruin your eyes" quip mothers used to chastise us for when we were young has not actually been a problem for some decades now, and even when it was it was in relation to CRTs.
As far as I understand it very old CRTs would emit very low levels of radiation, and sitting to close could be damaging to your eyes. Since about the 70s there has been a standard in place to coat the screens with a shielding solution, eliminating x-rays.
As we have now moved away from CRTs and onto panel screens, it's even more irrelevant.
Of course this doesn't take into account regular old eye-strain, of sitting staring at something for too long, but the amount of time I sit staring at my 32inch telly anyway is probably not good for me already.
That thing is just as cool on the inside. Great, great design.Some other pics from The Verge:
http://www.theverge.com/2014/3/19/5526918/sony-project-morpheus-virtual-reality-headset-photos
Their Vita OLED was made by Samsung.
I think they'll end up putting OLED in this. They doubled the PS4 RAM from feedback. The extra $20 or whatever on this is nothing for the impact it's going to make.
KoopaTheCasual
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You've made this $20 comment before. I just want to know, are you ballparking, or you know that the manufacturing cost is only $20 more expensive?
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What makes you say that? I clicked the link and didn't see any mention of eye tracking. Surely that would be the #1 headlining feature if it was true..
efyu_lemonardo
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Where does it mention eyetracking?
maquiladora
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I really like the design.
iceatcs
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look like a camera in the middle above nose area.
RedHotChimiChanga
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They should have a Killzone Helghast helmet version of it, using red.
BlackBuzzard
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Would not surprise me remember at the launch event Geoff Keighley was playing a Infamous SS demo with eye tracking.
Yeah I noticed that too. They said during the Q&A that they are researching eye tracking but it's not in it yet. Maybe the prototype contains some camera for them to gather data from?
Pretty nice, clean graphics in those demos. Simple, but pleasing.
Is EvE/Thief on another day, or are they here today?
chickdigger802
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oh man, i can just imagine all the sweat on those goggles after all them journalists were swinging move remotes around with them on.
Generally AMOLED cell phone panels range from $18 to $20 at mass production in cost breakdown analyses. A VR headset wouldn't be putting in multi-million production run orders, so it'd cost more, but yeah, I think it's saving about $20, maybe $25. It's not worth it for the staggering advantages OLED is going to provide here, and I think Sony will eat the cost and change.
Probably just an indent. Not sure, but I think that part would be flush against some part of your forehead too...
iceatcs
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The lights probably change based on the game similar to the move.
ReturnOfTheRAT
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Strange Days
Kotaku article. Light on actual impressions aside from the headline, but has some tidbits from their conversation with Anton and Yoshida.
They got to play EvE, but beyond saying that they don't give their impressions of it! Haven't watched the videos yet, but they say they'll get into deeper impressions and comparisons with Oculus DK2 in another article.
We Just Tried Sony's PS4 Virtual Reality Headset. We Like It.
Videos at the link may have more.
They got to play EvE, but beyond saying that they don't give their impressions of it! Haven't watched the videos yet, but they say they'll get into deeper impressions and comparisons with Oculus DK2 in another article.
We Just Tried Sony's PS4 Virtual Reality Headset. We Like It.
Videos at the link may have more.