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Watch_Dogs - Welcome to Chicago Trailer
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Towelie you're high again.
Reasonably close, yes. GTA V simply didn't have a big downgrade.
If you're revealing a game 2 years ahead of time and showing it as an E3 stage demo, sorry but you deserve all the flack you get when things don't look quite so nice 1-1.5 years down the line. It's not unrealistic to expect changes in fidelity, but it sure as hell is unrealistic to show something you almost certainly know won't exist come endgame.
So what if they didn't know console specs? Don't show the game then - because you're going to eat lots of crow otherwise.
These are simple, telegraphed marketing choices which Ubisoft could have made, but they didn't because they wanted the hype.
blastprocessor
The Amiga Brotherhood
Highly doubt it's Alpha footage. It's probably out of Beta even and being bug fixed/polished given it's due out in May.
That's what I feel will happen as well. Additionally, Ubisoft has been evasive about answering whether the PC version will look like (or at least very close to) the 2012 reveal.
Everyone here is free to search the tweets. AFAIK there have been no direct answers, which implies...
An endless game mode fighting against neon aliens with a 'nerf space invaders' gun where you can use cars and bikes throughout the city can be fun.
They sure love GTA V.
Kill the fucking®
Dude, it's entirely CGI. It's just a sequence out of the "Exposed" trailer from E3 2013 used as B-Roll. The trailer screams CGI.
Raven77
Member
I get a distinct feeling that this game will end up like Dark Souls 2.
The PC version will look slightly better than the current gen version but will ultimately not look as good as the 2012 reveal. Why do I feel this way? Well, for one, why would they not be showing the PC version if it truly is great looking? Ubi is the king of the "bullshot" so I doubt they would purposely show a worse looking product unless the PC version wasn't that much better.
The PC version will look slightly better than the current gen version but will ultimately not look as good as the 2012 reveal. Why do I feel this way? Well, for one, why would they not be showing the PC version if it truly is great looking? Ubi is the king of the "bullshot" so I doubt they would purposely show a worse looking product unless the PC version wasn't that much better.
DyslexicAlucard
Member
I'm so goddamned sick of this argument. It was revealed at the Sony PlayStation press conference. It is literally implied that it is running (or will look as good on) a Sony platform, unless otherwise explicitly stated.
Edit: After research, I was wrong. I remembered incorrectly and retract my statement
ricardo_sousa11
Member
The graphics look worse and worse, each time they show a new trailer. I'd say I find it similliar to GTA5's graphics...Its disapointing.
The lightning is way way off.
BUT, some of the features they are showing, appeal me...Like the fact that you can basically spy on random people.
My Voyeur side aproves !
The lightning is way way off.
BUT, some of the features they are showing, appeal me...Like the fact that you can basically spy on random people.
My Voyeur side aproves !
Me_Marcadet
Member
As long as the devs are clear it's early footage subject to changes it's not bullshit. I really enjoy those early presentations and I take them as gifts for the enthusiasts. Sure they are great marketing tools and like in every advertising there is a part of bullshiting involved because you want your product to look at its best but you can easily ignore the bullshit and just take the good things.
When you are subjected to early footages, don't assume the final game will be the same but think of it like a proof of concept and a great way to show what the developpers have in mind.
Those things are not bullshit and are precious to a lot of gamers.
Just imagine how sad would it be a world where we didn't get to see some footage of The Last Guardian.
Dark Octave
Banned
It's a last gen game with a few current gen bells and whistles bolted on. You can't expect too much from it.Why is it running at 15fps?
The reveal trailer...
Such promise much hope
Raven77
Member
Actually we can...
We can only expect what has been shown to us, and what was shown to us in 2012 was not a game with a few bells and whistles. It looked "next gen". This game they are showing now barely looks current-gen.
Ah, but they weren't clear. There are no automatic disclaimers. If the early presentations are proof of concept, Ubisoft should keep those (mostly) internal where they belong.
It really boils down to whether the game could look like the reveal (or at least close) on PC, and I say yes. Anything less than that is intentionally downgrading based on an average platform fidelity target.
Windom Earle
Member
They sure love GTA V.
Kill the fucking®clowns,Trevoraliens®,® Aiden®.®
This was in the game before it was delayed. It was in a behind doors demo at e3 2013
Dark Octave
Banned
Yeah we can expect what was shown to us originally and that was a higher end last gen PC game. It was still nothing that wasn't impossible looking even back then. We all know that big companies like Ubi and EA are all about streamlining the process and collecting them dollars. Why re-model everything and make the game twice when you can just use the original high end textures samples from the ones you downgraded for the PS360 version, wrap those on the low poly last gen model and call it a next gen game.
Muffdraul
Member
Yes! Like it used to be. In the good ol' days, back when the internet was barely capable of playing Quicktime videos the size of a postage stamp in the center of your screen at 5 fps, this sort of thing was never an issue. Previews and demos were shown to industry insiders and that was it. We were lucky if we got to see a couple of screenshots in EGM or Next Generation magazine. That's the way it was and we LIKED it! *feeble old man fist pound*
Well, good.
Because Watch_Dogs looks fantastic so GTA V on PC should look super-amazeballs.
Gah, we need a date :/
In the meantime, it'll be nice to have Chicago to explore on the PC. It looks more promising, everytime I watch the trailer. I'm most excited to just wander about, hacking into people's lives.
Yeah, it is crazy that they are promising that every single NPC is unique and can be hacked. We will see.
Me_Marcadet
Member
No platform, no release date, heavily edited trailer with no freedom nor interesting gameplay (well, the presentation ends just when things are becoming interesting), it was pretty obvious the final game would have been subject to some changes.
While we lost some pretty effects and IQ we have gained a real game with true freedom and open world gameplay. It's not a downgrade, it's just the difference between very early not playable footage and final game.
Muffdraul, why in the hell would you want a world when gamers are kept even more in the dark ...
Seriously, one of my fondest memory was when I got my hand on some promotional mini cd rom (shaped like the gamecube's mini dvd) for the gamecube with all the trailer with early footages for games who wouldn't even be released in the end (RIP DK racing). Not once I ever thank nintendo was bulshiting me, it was just pure joy and hype for a new system and generation. I didn't get to play the games from the footage but the generation was still amazing.
Why would you want to be all negative and agressive when you could just enjoy things for what they are. We got to see a cool video at E3 2012 and two years later we could be playing a pretty cool game too. No matter how much footages of games I see, I still need to play them to find out if they are good.
If I could chose between being kept in the dark and playing a good game or seeing cool videos and playing a different but still good game at the end I rather see the cool videos as a bonus.
EDIT: And I was just remembering how amazing the zelda TP reveal was while being completely different from the final game. Why would you want to take away all those good memories and joy from me
SJRB
Gold Member
It's unique in the sense that there's a huge algorithm that compiles a
- first name
- last name
- job or curious fact
- occasional additional hacking options [read text messages, break into conversations and listen/disconnect, hack bank account]
So the chance of running into a person with the exact same name and job twice is almost a statistical anomaly.
The cool [and in my opinion revolutionary] thing about the ability to hack anyone is that you walk down the street, hack some random guy's phone, read his messages and see that he's on his way to kill someone. You can follow him and take him down. It completely shifts the function and purpose of NPCs in traditional open-world sandboxers from "dynamic obstacles" to integral part of the experience.
The graphical issue of watch dogs is overblown. I have seen the E32012 trailer and its not that far from the welcome to Chicago video. People let the game come out and let people do PC versus PS4/Xbox One then complain. In all honesty Next gen should not have come out till 2015 . Let 10 years go by the graphical jump is not going to be that amazing and 4k is where the next big leap is. It takes about 10 years for TV tech to hit mainstream.
Yeah, I am sure you are right. That sounds more believable.
Why would anyone? Whats the point of keeping the same content and making the only difference its graphics?
Its a waste of time and resources if the only difference is better graphics. Not to mention peoples arrogance asking devs to abandon the previous gen to make better looking games, when a lot of people are still using last gen consoles since they don't have the money or want to upgrade yet.
Honestly GAF has shown me how much people prioritize graphics over what the game actually is. Its sad how much hype graphics create, rather than a games hook in terms of gameplay, story,etc.
They said that they have 3000 unique visual parameters, that are mixed and matched to make npcs look distinct and different.
The possible combinations are statistically in the millions.
You say this, but in an open-world game, the fidelity and believability of the world are key to the enjoyment of the game. A lot of the time in game will be spent exploring. Exploring a collection of poorly-textured areas, with no life or atmosphere will get old very fast. When people say 'graphics', it's lazy shorthand for particle effects, realistic lighting, convincing animation, and many things that add texture to the world and make it fun to be inside.
Raven77
Member
I've never understood why games didn't have more random generation with enemies and NPC's.
For example, how hard would it be to have a game like GTA V use a system to randomly generate the color or cars and clothing. For example, you give the game a color range and it just pulls a color and random. I'm being serious, how hard would that be?
In addition, how hard would it be to scale NPC's randomly? I mean, how hard would it be to have a system that when an enemy or npc is generated it can be a certain size between 2-5 and anything in between.
Then I play open world games for different reasons. I like them for fun mechanics that allow for a lot of diversity while I play.
And this trailer fully shows that watch dogs is focused on AI and discovery.
Since GAF holds Second Son as the poster child of a next gen sandbox, the enhanced visuals were nice but weren't the reason I really liked the game.
It was the gameplay and sense of movement second son delivered on. It was fun to play.
Watch Dogs looks like a lot of fun, and still looks very interesting. A lack of particle effects and detailed smoke are not going to detract me from liking the game.
The gameplay and story will.
I think watch dogs is more focused on npc's since they are an important part of the core experience rather than just there to make the city feel alive.
chickdigger802
Banned
something i just noticed. you see aiden on a roof. wonder if the game will have verticality, helicopters, parachutes etc.
that stuff was sorely missing in sleepy dogs
that stuff was sorely missing in sleepy dogs
SJRB
Gold Member
something i just noticed. you see aiden on a roof. wonder if the game will have verticality, helicopters, parachutes etc.
that stuff was sorely missing in sleepy dogs
No controllable planes/helicopters in this game, sir.
I'm not sure we do play them for different reasons, except maybe story (stories in games are almost universally terrible in my experience). You mention discovery, AI and gameplay these also key for enjoying exploration and just freewheeling in an open world. Players posting here about visuals aren't just walking around admiring textures. 'Graphics' make the world more enjoyable. After all, the interactions of a game are presented to you visually for the most part.
Dark Octave
Banned
It's much easier to update graphics than it is to come up with brand new gameplay ideas, especially if you have brand new hardware. The game is supossedley already doing something revolutionary and never done before, so what more could they do to the PS4 and XB1 versions but make the graphics better? I'm only gonna play one version so why should I care that the PS360 version has the exact same "revolutionary gameplay" as the PS4, XB1 and PC? I and everyone else does notice when the textures and polycount is no different from the last gen versions though and that's why it is so important. Also graphics do make a difference in the game. They make the game more immersive which many often think makes a game of this type more fun. Nobody ever complained that a game's graphics are too good.
chickdigger802
Banned
lame, please dont tell me roof top missions are just closed off missions or i need to snipe someone or something generic. :/
That's funny because I think that's where Ubisoft's open world games are lacking. Add to that bad mission structure in the last few AC games and you have a good portion of things that are problematic.
The fact they had to send Watch_Dogs back to the drawing board for derivative, boring missions is quite telling to me.
SJRB
Gold Member
Source?
Kleegamefan
K. LEE GAIDEN
In and of itself there is nothing wrong with this statement but in the context of Watch_Dogs I am not seeing how the game is poorly textured, lifeless or lacks atmosphere. Are the graphics as good as the 2012 e3 debut. No, but it still looks fantastic to me and everyone knows I am a GIGANTIC graphic whore.
I still love to *play* games though, and in terms of open world games, this one looks to be on of the best looking and interesting ones out there, IMO.
chickdigger802
Banned
all we've seen so far are poorly cut trailers with ok visuals. I don't get where people are getting gameplay and story good/bad from any of this.
It's perfectly valid for people to loling at visuals of a game prerelease, because well... thats all you got pretty much.
Always-honest
Banned
So they had that insight and did something about it.
SJRB
Gold Member
Can't find "derivative, boring missions" anywhere in that part. "Repetitive" in that context refers to the way the AI reacted to events, as clearly indicated by the last line.
The rewind theater looked great
http://www.ign.com/videos/2014/03/27/watch-dogs-welcome-to-chicago-ign-rewind-theater
http://www.ign.com/videos/2014/03/27/watch-dogs-welcome-to-chicago-ign-rewind-theater
Windom Earle
Member
That makes it sound incredibly meaningless... People will do it a few times, maybe get the inevitable achievement/trophy connected to the events and then get bored of the repetitive nature. Of course it's all according to the Ubisoft school of game design.
SJRB
Gold Member
You could indeed jump to such shortsighted conclusions based on my post. I myself prefer to wait until the game is out before I judge gameplay.
Always-honest
Banned
Why? It could offer lots of different little sidemissions.
Seems like they're talking about the entire game being repetitive. I'm just reading between the PR lines. But hey, I know what you're doing on May 27 (
theignoramus
Member
hope the PC version still looks decent, this footage looks like ass