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UC4 Game Director Justin Richmond Leaves ND (And famousmortimer leaves GAF #1393)

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Crazy thread. It's a shame to see someone that I had some faith in (mort) lower himself to such levels.

I'll be the first to admit that I believed him at first, as usual, until the air was cleared by Col himself.

I do think that some mod posts crossed the line into overly aggressive. I'm not calling anyone out, it's just something I'm not used to seeing from an otherwise level headed staff. I'm not sure if I feel it is justified or not, to be honest. That all being said, so sad to see the truth, and I hope your son gets better Col.
 

prwxv3

Member
Yea, just like him being the first one to say Driveclub was delayed.

Just trying to kiss-up to Sony like a good old boy!


I hate these topics, because they're so damn ironic. We flame a guy, who got in trouble for peddling false info, and what do we do? Let's make false info/theories about the guy! Yea!

Seriously. Everyone can learn from this.
 
Um, didn't he already lose with tier 2 release dates being off? So he's actually 0-1 by now? Can't really remember everything he said. :p

Lol! I believe everything he said was true and real as of that date. Release date change all the time especially when not announced. However, revealing things like development hell is real no matter what the date is, and putting spin on it to tarnish a few dedicated developers is sad.

Believe me, it's painful to hear people talk shit about your living over the internet, and you are always confused whether to explain the truth or let the public believe whatever they want to believe. I'm glad Col came here and posted that as we don't consider them and their actions human, but as power and money hungry directors and publishers which is not true in any sense. Even the man on the top works just as hard as the man on the bottom, we just don't see that fact.
 

bigmf

Member
Well that was a lot to read. I think I skipped 30 pages or so but I got the gist of it. I hope Col's son does well, and I'm still looking forward to Driveclub.
 

Principate

Saint Titanfall
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Oh k man that was pretty funny.. :lol :lol
 
This threads is a great reminder that even though this industry has the most passionate and loyal fans, thousands of individuals who are just as passionate pour their hearts out into making these games. A lot of real people with real lives. We need to show them respect and decency instead of speculating the worst scenarios and conspiracies potentially harming their character (even on the internet).
 

besada

Banned
that's obviously true but when myself or other people reference 'gaf' or the 'internet', i feel that it's clear that it's being used as a shorthand for the 'seemingly vast majority of posters on this forum/thread/page'.
And it's incredibly prone to confirmation bias and often wildly wrong, which is why we frown on it.
 
Yea, just like him being the first one to say Driveclub was delayed.

Just trying to kiss-up to Sony like a good old boy!


I hate these topics, because they're so damn ironic. We flame a guy, who got in trouble for peddling false info, and what do we do? Let's make false info/theories about the guy! Yea!
He wasn't the first to leak it. He "confirmed" it. Some unknown, unheard of small time site stated their source said DriveClub was being delayed.

Mort was then like, let me confirm this lol... "Guys it's true!!!!!".

Actually, almost all of Mort's leak where already stated before, and he just took the "LET ME VERIFY WITH MY SOURCES" position.

Which isn't a bad position to be. He had good will with the community and a proven track record, hence why he wad always so believable. Mort was a good guy and a great community members, but he defaced a person and almost ruined someone's career, and false info hurting someone like that shouldn't be tolerated, and it wasn't.
 
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/member.php?u=110441
Dave Meltzer was his username, but my point still stands. The guy was an obvious parody account yet his posts derailed tons of threads. And the fact it took months for him to get perma-banned is ridiculous.

Why are we on this tangent? Further, as has been noted numerous times, if you feel that a certain poster is a troublemaker and are bothered by their presence in threads, you are welcome to PM us with an explanation as to why their posts are problematic.
 

KoopaTheCasual

Junior Member
There is no theorizing, everything he said was nothing but damage control.

And I'm not the only one to think so.
So... you still have absolutely no response to him being the very first source to make a thread and post about Driveclub? Cool.

Don't you dare try and pass the buck to a mod, when you straight up accused him of being a blindly loyal fanboy. Steve said that post is damage control =/= he's clearly a fanboy, who has a pro-Sony agenda. That's straight up FUD.

What you're doing in this thread is just as pathetic as what Pete did to get banned.
 
He wasn't the first to leak it. He "confirmed" it. Some unknown, unheard of small time site stated their source said DriveClub was being delayed.

Mort was then like, let me confirm this lol... "Guys it's true!!!!!".

Actually, almost all of Mort's leak where already stated before, and he just took the "LET ME VERIFY WITH MY SOURCES" position.
To be fair he was the first to leak Knack, Cerny, DriveClub and KZ SF before PS4 Reveal (not on GAF though). He certainly had inside stuff from time to time.
 
This is an interesting situation. Journalists are trained to be judicious when they use anonymous sources. It's one thing to cite unnamed people while revealing information about a company or a product; it's quite another to cite unnamed people while disparaging someone, especially someone who isn't a public figure. At the very least, if a journalist decides it's appropriate to do that, it's only right to give that person an opportunity to comment before publication.

The idea of a "GAF insider" or "Reddit insider" or whatever is a bizarre new figure that occupies a weird space between journalist and fan, and that can be harmful in situations like this, where the insider doesn't have the experience (or an editor!) to know what's right. Sometimes this can be messy and even harmful to people, as we just saw. It's good that GAF has high standards about these situations, though.

This forever and ever.

I feel bad for everyone involved. Both people were harmed by the exchange, and I guarantee fm would want to take it back for the personal harm rather than reputation damage because I like to think people want to be decent humans. The pressure to deliver is high for insiders (CBOAT was banned too after nearly 9 years on the board). Seems like Pete had no history of negative consequences to temper his words. The first time it came back on him, it came back hard and here we are. Again, sad for everyone. Good luck to Pete. Good luck to Col and especially his son.
 

Tamanon

Banned
I do find it ironic that we're decrying speculation, while at the same time speculating why someone posts as an "insider".

I never thought the PS4 DRM thing was real personally, but so many media members seemed to think it was.
 

KoopaTheCasual

Junior Member
He wasn't the first to leak it. He "confirmed" it. Some unknown, unheard of small time site stated their source said DriveClub was being delayed.

Mort was then like, let me confirm this lol... "Guys it's true!!!!!".

Actually, almost all of Mort's leak where already stated before, and he just took the "LET ME VERIFY WITH MY SOURCES" position.
Oh, I'm not saying he's a paragon of truth. He was a guy, who sorta new some guys, and it got to his head. But for Vire to somehow spin this into some pro-Sony conspiracy is pathetic.
 

-PXG-

Member
Holy shit at all of this. No one should have to devulge sensitive personal issues to clear up internet drama, of all things. No one. There is speculation and just making shit up.
 

Vire

Member
So... you still have absolutely no response to him being the very first source to make a thread and post about Driveclub? Cool.

Don't you dare try and pass the buck to a mod, when you straight up accused him of being a blindly loyal fanboy. Steve said that post is damage control =/= he's clearly a fanboy, who has a pro-Sony agenda. That's straight up FUD.

What you're doing in this thread is just as pathetic as what Pete did to get banned.

I have no idea why you are becoming so increasingly hostile.

I don't really think it's any secret that he favored Sony, he admitted it himself on his own personal website.
 

Tomohawk

Member
Why are we on this tangent? Further, as has been noted numerous times, if you feel that a certain poster is a troublemaker and are bothered by their presence in threads, you are welcome to PM us with an explanation as to why their posts are problematic.

I think people are using this opportunity to air their personal grievances about other posters.
 
It's interesting that we're hounding a guy and rightfully so for "ruining someone's career" and just now kind of celebrating another industry professional in Jason from Kotaku slandering another journalist just because they referenced Pete's rumours and speculations.

... this is an interesting thing to watch unfold.
 

Nirolak

Mrgrgr
I wonder if a GAF rumor subforum would work? Sorta like the old egm/Gamefan sections. Where people can post rumors, no personal shit, without fear of the ban hammer. Maybe the mods can verify posters behind the scenes. Maybe it's impossible logistically, but part of the Gaf fun is reading rumors.

The goal here isn't to ban people from posting rumors, it's to get people to think about what they're posting and not just regurgitate anything they hear.

For example, here are some simple guidelines that make a rumor posting vastly better:

1.) Generally speaking, do not post negative personal rumors about staff on GAF, and by that I mean things like someone getting fired or forced out or whatever. If you feel strongly about your information, e-mail a site like Kotaku or Polygon with your evidence and let them handle getting additional confirmation and also commentary from the person the rumor is about, and decide whether or not it's worth posting. Now, if it's something like "Oh yeah, they left to found an indie studio, get excited!", I'm not really concerned about that, but strive to not do anything libelous or disrespectful.

2.) In case this isn't clear, it is okay to post rumors about a bunch of people being laid off (not fired, but explicitly laid off) from a studio. We have allowed this in the past and will continue to do so in the future. Please really try to make sure you're certain about this first though. Similarly, if you see a bunch of staff members mentioning they were laid off on twitter, obviously that's fine to post about.

Now, for rumors that aren't about staff:

3.) Never overplay your hand. Only share what you know, and if you wish to make any additional speculation, clearly mark it as speculation. Make sure to state your level of certainty about the core rumor as well. If you've heard that something "has a chance of happening", it's totally different than hearing that it "will happen". This also applies if different parts of the rumor have different levels of credibility. For example, if you've heard that Naughty Dog is definitely making a space shooter and heard that it might have a budget nearing $75 million, make sure that you present the budget as a less certain fact than the game existing. You should explicitly make these kinds of distinctions to the best of your ability.

4.) Ask yourself "Would the person who told me this actually know this information?" Let's say you have a rumor about a game having multiplayer. If your source is a QA person working on that product, they probably do know that information. Let's say your rumor is that a senior staff member was fired (which you shouldn't be posting anyway). If your source is a QA person at a 300+ person studio, chances are they actually don't know that for certain. If your source is an external QA person who doesn't even work at the studio, you should be extremely skeptical of the rumor even if you personally trust the person, since they could easily be hearing gossip that was presented to them as fact.

5.) Ask yourself "Does this rumor make sense?" If your rumor is that Naughty Dog is making an iOS game about farting cats, even if your source is someone at the studio, you might want to think if they're playing a joke on you. Game studios generally aren't water tight, especially if you know what information you are looking for. Check their job postings and public statements and linkedin resumes, and see if that adds up with the information you've heard. A rumor sprung up that Visceral was making a Battlefield title. It was really easy for me to find buckets full of information supporting this. Chances are you can find at least one thing confirming your rumor before you bother to post it, even if you don't share what that thing is in order to protect your source. There are obviously rumors where this isn't true, but it may be worth noting in your post that you couldn't find external evidence confirming or even hinting at this.

6.) Before you hit post, ask yourself one last time "After checking all this information, do I actually believe this, or at least find it notably plausible?" Chances are that if you've completed the previous steps, by this point you do, but it's worth checking one last time and deciding if you want to do a bit more research first, especially if it's something farfetched.
 
Can I get a summary of what the fuck happened here?

A quits Studio B, C goes on to say A was fired since A failed to deliver a product in time. A comes to NeoGaf to set the record straight. A explains personal reasons were the one and only reason to quit/leave studio B as he's unable to travel 220 miles every day to work when his family needs immediate attention. C is now officially called out for providing false information and potentially harming A, A requests for apology since the things C mentioned about A has been hitting gaming news website. A fears for personal and professional damages due to C's negligent comment. C is said to have apologized to A directly and not through Gaf. C then takes to twitter to say he's done with Gaf, C is now banned for life time.
 

KoopaTheCasual

Junior Member
I have no idea why you are becoming so increasingly hostile.

I don't really think it's any secret that he favored Sony, he admitted it himself on his own personal website.
I'm not hostile, I'm tired of hypocritical behavior, because (a little detail about myself) I find hypocrites to be among the lowest rung of people.
 
It's interesting that we're hounding a guy and rightfully so for "ruining someone's career" and just now kind of celebrating another industry professional in Jason from Kotaku slandering another journalist just because they referenced Pete's rumours and speculations.

... this is an interesting thing to watch unfold.

Seems to be a large contingent of people celebrating his downfall merely due to his reputation for leaning towards Sony. The names dancing on the dude's grave ... is, well... expected to say the least. Ironic, too.

very interesting
 

ironcreed

Banned
famousmortimer got banned for the right reasons, however I will remember him for the all good information (right information) he got in the past. Someone will probably also post tweets from him from time to time.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day. But I sure as hell am not going to use it when I want to know what time it is.
 

Mlatador

Banned
Gamefaqs = Console wars for 12 year olds.
Neogaf = Console wars for 21 year olds

Seriously though, I agree with the sentiment that GAF has declined in the past few years. I've seen a great deal more "console war" type topics, I.E digital foundry threads, this past year that would have been an absolute no-go back in like, say, 2009. And just in general, the quality of posts has declined. I think the one of the biggest problems is that a fair number of people on GAF judge others with opposing views as the "enemy," and not simply the opposition.

I second this sentiment. I don't know what happend, but the quality of discussion has really declined.

I remember, that when I joined in 2011, the athomosphere here wasn't so harshly driven by console wars. The hyperbole these days is just too damn toxic. So many news are blown out of proportions, it's not even funny. I still remember that one day of the 35+ threads about "Nintendo is doomed/what should Nintendo do next", all because of their annual reports briefing. This was just too insane.
 
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