Hmm, that's a good point. I always considered that the main effect of DVRs and streaming is that broadcasts are no longer considered social events but personal experiences, but it also has the effect of reinforcing the idea that everything must be novel. When people lose an appreciation for the merits of revisiting works, then they start to believe that loss of novelty means loss of value.
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Winter-Spring 2014 Anime |OT3| People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time
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I think there's a colossal misunderstanding about Yuasa's art style if people keep mentioning rotoscoping. Is there rotoscoping used in Ping Pong? Almost certainly, but not in a large degree at all. The ending animation certainly looks rotoscoped, simply because that sort of movement and precision in terms of how things move with relation to the camera looks like it was traced over reference footage. But that has nothing to do with the art style at all. The way characters and the environment look in Ping Pong is entirely down to Yuasa's artistic preference. Kemonozume and Kick-Heart look like this too, and they had no rotoscoping at all. There is rotoscoping used in Nodame, Kids on the Slope, Evangelion 3.0, etc and they look look completely different from each other. Aku no Hana is 100% rotoscoped, and it doesn't look like Ping Pong or any of the other shows I just mentioned either. Rotoscoping is an animation technique, and has little to do with how the art ends up looking.
This doesn't change your point about your preference for things looking clean and defined though, which is fine. The abstract look is not for everyone, even though it has it's merits in terms of application. It's important to clarify that the artistic direction has nothing to do with rotoscoping though, and to emphasis that Ping Pong is mostly -not- rotoscoped, but hand animated. Claiming that the art looks like it does because of rotoscoping would simply be incorrect.
Admiral Woofington
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Admittedly some people did reach the "sorry to say your taste is crap" level. But even if so you should be the bigger person and just continue to enjoy it. Don't stoop to their level.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
I will say, I don't purposefully go around spoiling shit just to be an asshole, because I know there are people who want to have virgin experiences with their texts, but there are times when I consider something trivial but someone else considers a massive spoiler and I don't really know what to do in that case.
Personally, I go out of my way to spoiler punchlines to jokes, but it makes it almost impossible to talk about comedies and why you think a show is necessarily funny because at that point, all you can really say is that "it made me laugh" and leave it at that.
I'm in a phase where I pretty much go full spoiler on everything if I can. It's why I like listening to slashfilmcast, because they are one of the only movie review podcasts who understand that the only way to have a genuine discussion about a film is to actually talk about what happens in the film. It helps me make a more informed opinion on whether or not I want to watch a film anyway.
Well, people are - to use the "E" word - extremely entitled with spoilers now. Because people have been weaned on texts that depend entirely on twists for their excitement. So the whole "Red Wedding" thing was a massive event that people complained about because twitter was reacting en masse to the episode and if you didn't watch it at the same time you were "spoiled".
But yeah, if the whole point of the "Red Wedding" was how shocking it is, then does that episode matter if you go back to it the second time? Presumably so, if you believe that Game of Thrones is a good show, but when you hear people complain about it being ruined because they got spoiled, it makes you wonder sometimes.
SparksterMeta0
Member
Dragonar 1:
The concept of the two(?) types of dragon creatures remind me of How to Train your Dragon and this old cartoon Dragon Booster, which sounds interesting enough to me.
Other than that, not much stands out in terms of the characters. I'll give it another chance next episode and see what happens.
No Game No Life 1
This one I like and hope to stick with this season. I mean, two shut-in gamer siblings thrown into a world where virtually everything is decided on games? Something they enjoy or do the most? And not because they're destined heroes...
? Sign me up!
Marvel Disk Wars 1
I'm not sure if I want to drop this just yet. The DISK idea sounds interesting, but I can otherwise see why many/all here recommend otherwise, mainly because of the animation. I'll see where this goes in episode 2.
Nanana 1
Adventure meets potential murder mystery. Sounds sweet as
. I'm just hoping there isn't too much drama.
The concept of the two(?) types of dragon creatures remind me of How to Train your Dragon and this old cartoon Dragon Booster, which sounds interesting enough to me.
Other than that, not much stands out in terms of the characters. I'll give it another chance next episode and see what happens.
No Game No Life 1
This one I like and hope to stick with this season. I mean, two shut-in gamer siblings thrown into a world where virtually everything is decided on games? Something they enjoy or do the most? And not because they're destined heroes...
yet(?)
Marvel Disk Wars 1
I'm not sure if I want to drop this just yet. The DISK idea sounds interesting, but I can otherwise see why many/all here recommend otherwise, mainly because of the animation. I'll see where this goes in episode 2.
Nanana 1
Adventure meets potential murder mystery. Sounds sweet as
pudding
Jex
Member
This is kind a kind of garbage, "look at all the anime I've watched" post, but it's pretty sweet that that the Captain Earth OP has got a bit of Cobra to it:
I'm sorry /old man
FelixOrion
Poet Centuriate
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Are there other interesting shows that deal with amnesia in the same way Golden Time did (or maybe different, but also serious)? To me, the best thing about the show was definitely that dynamic, usually when a main character has amnesia, it just serves as a plot point later on, but I honestly loved the way they handled it there. I guess it just felt human. Of all the ridiculous melodrama that Banri had over anything, this one was definitely deserved, his struggles with his past life, being scared about it and even
being afraid of and later coming to terms with the fact that the person he calls "me" may suddenly disappear, after all, he's basically another person using someone else's body, and the original owner may wake up at any time.
It was also probably the reason I disliked the ending, after such incredibly moving episodes like 22 and 23, having LOVE CONQUERS ALL with Ghost Banri even getting his ring out of the water (?????????) was kinda stupid. He could have achieved the same result but with a bittersweet ending instead of just saying "you know all those inner conflicts? fuck that, we're happy now. OG Banri can fuck off"
It was also probably the reason I disliked the ending, after such incredibly moving episodes like 22 and 23, having LOVE CONQUERS ALL with Ghost Banri even getting his ring out of the water (?????????) was kinda stupid. He could have achieved the same result but with a bittersweet ending instead of just saying "you know all those inner conflicts? fuck that, we're happy now. OG Banri can fuck off"
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Just watch One Week Friends. Conveniently airing this season.
That is seriously impressive, even if it is a "LOOK AT ME!!!! I'VE SEEN SOME STUFF IN MY TIME!!!!" type post
I have to admit I was wondering what that scene was doing in there. The gun thing is the ignition for the mechs - why is it also a shooty-shooty-bang-bang type of gun in the OP? Because Cobra references, that's why!
Mushishi Zoku Shou 2
I think that might have been one of my favourite episodes yet. I thought it was really interesting that while the mushi were there, they weren't really a major part of the story this episode. It was all about the village and the relationships of the people. And all of the mushi taking off at the end of the episode was one of the most beautiful moments in the entire show.
I think that might have been one of my favourite episodes yet. I thought it was really interesting that while the mushi were there, they weren't really a major part of the story this episode. It was all about the village and the relationships of the people. And all of the mushi taking off at the end of the episode was one of the most beautiful moments in the entire show.
Many stories have been told in retrospect, providing a general understanding of what occurred at the start, but then going into details for the bulk of the work. Romeo and Juliet is an easy example, and Titanic is another. Some stories even work better this way, as it provides meaning and direction to scenes that would initially appear benign or aimless. I argue as much for School Days, as for many the value is simply the shock at the end, but for me it's the reinforcement of dread as it progresses and that only works when you know how it ends. (To be clear, I've never said School Days was particularly good, just better than a cheap trick.)
On a day when all my new shows are streamed by Funi, Funi's site goes down the exact hour the new episodes are supposed to go live. Yeesh.
Riddle Story of Devil 02
Now that the rules of the game are established and some of Haru's backstory is out in the open, I'm interested. Tokaku's determination in tearing up all the notices was a good show of "screw your rules", but there's so many characters in the assassination game that I hope I'm able to keep everybody memorized. I'd much rather use character names than descriptors, and so far Nio and Isuke are the only two who I can remember. The various ending themes are good, a nice showing from Kanemoto.
Date a Live II 01
Of the two shows this season that have Mayayan in them, she doesn't appear in either of their first episodes. That's not quite what I was looking for. A decent reintroduction to things. The parallel between Tohka's soap opera and her misunderstanding of things was amusing, but if there's one moment that sticks out the most, it's the moment with Origami and Shido in the girls' bathroom. Getting a little bold there, Origami. I can appreciate bold. The key point of all this is that the twins debut next week, and my favorite Maaya with them.
Riddle Story of Devil 02
Now that the rules of the game are established and some of Haru's backstory is out in the open, I'm interested. Tokaku's determination in tearing up all the notices was a good show of "screw your rules", but there's so many characters in the assassination game that I hope I'm able to keep everybody memorized. I'd much rather use character names than descriptors, and so far Nio and Isuke are the only two who I can remember. The various ending themes are good, a nice showing from Kanemoto.
Date a Live II 01
Of the two shows this season that have Mayayan in them, she doesn't appear in either of their first episodes. That's not quite what I was looking for. A decent reintroduction to things. The parallel between Tohka's soap opera and her misunderstanding of things was amusing, but if there's one moment that sticks out the most, it's the moment with Origami and Shido in the girls' bathroom. Getting a little bold there, Origami. I can appreciate bold. The key point of all this is that the twins debut next week, and my favorite Maaya with them.
KuwabaraTheMan
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Yeah, there is something of a difficult line that varies from person to person. For my own personal take, I generally consider 'spoilers' to be something really major, such as the death of a character or a similarly major event. I'm not generally too bothered about lesser events, and I don't really bother to spoiler tag things unless I think they're really major.
The most effective criticism is certainly going to involve discussing the text as a whole, and I think the idea of spoiler free criticism is kind of silly. The distinction I think falls more on if something is being designed as a review to let people know if they might be interested in something (in which case, light to no spoilers is probably more appropriate, but with the scope of a review in general being a more limited 'this is good/bad' thing) or critical analysis of a work, which will require getting into all the nitty gritty details and involve pulling out quotes, looking at things from multiple angles, etc. The latter is going to be a far more interesting experience for the reader or listener, even if it does feature 'spoilers', and reading a really interesting critical analysis of something might make me more interested in something I had otherwise ignored, even if it told me about some major twist up front.
I'll still take a virgin experience without knowing anything if I have my choice, but knowing where a story is going isn't the end of the world if it is well told. Knowing largely where The Brothers Karamazov is going doesn't make it any less outstanding.
At least in the case of the Red Wedding, I think it works just as well even when you know what happens (on my re-reads of the book, I actually find it far more effective than I did the first time, because of the buildup to it and all of the wrong things that you can see even if the characters don't). I don't think it's something that relies on being a surprise to be effective storytelling. It is, however, something that is intended in part to be a huge surprise, which is why I think it's the type of thing a lot of people wouldn't want to know about in advance.
I definitely will, just need to finish a few more winter shows, D-Frag is next as soon as I'm done with Battle Tendency.
Just a liiiittle bit longer til I'm home and can dedicate myself to DIO
ThreePiMatt
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Honestly, I think it would be best to split this into two threads. One thread for people with refined, mature taste. And then a second thread for anyone who didn't like the end of OreImo S2.
I think you learn to love all the characters in the show. There's only one person I hate with all my anime might in that show. It would have been perfect if she didn't exist......
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Well, you had people complaining about being spoiled on Rush. When you need to have spoilers for history, I don't know what you can do at that point.
I prefer my reviews to skew toward full criticism, because I find that more engaging to read but also because being able to flat out state which of the important components of the film excited the reviewer is also an interesting metric to have. I suppose it depends on what you're looking for in criticism though.
I guess the Red Wedding thing for me wasn't important because I treat GoT as camp. I guess the last twist that I enjoyed was probably the Madoka Magica Rebellion ending, but I liked the film as much the second time that I watched it as much as the first.
phoenix296
Member
Trigun - 17
Hopefully they continue with the wild west aesthetic in future episodes.
So everyone is an alien on a new world and Vash is some weird something that isn't quite human... I didn't expect this to go full scifi on me.
Hopefully they continue with the wild west aesthetic in future episodes.
Purposeful refusal of historical information is willful ignorance. While fictional works can achieve cultural significance for one reason or another, history achieves automatic significance on account of actually happening with actual consequences.
SHIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEET
nintendoman58
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Didn't we already have this discussion yesterday or something?
Spice and Wolf 6
It's pretty nice to be able to watch an anime based on a light novel, and not have negative attitude towards the concept or what to expect from it. I can only imagine what this sort of story would have looked like if it was written now trying to appeal to the current popular LN tropes. Lawrence will probably be a high school student who is a genius economist who is trying to save the world. So I'm consistently surprised when I see some smart writing in these past few episodes or see the way the relationship between Holo and Lawrence is developing in a natural progress. I still can't say I care much about the economics concepts explored, but they are doing a fine job in creating conflict and drama.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
People don't seem to understand that now though.
I bet if you made a film about JFK now, people would complain about spoilers if you told them what happened in Dallas.
R_thanatos
Member
Sakura Trick - 10
Rest the obvious question: Out of the 2 , who is the girlfriend ?
Ah sakura trick .... i haven't finished watching you i'm already said i have 2 episode left to watch.
i guess whenever Haruka & yuu are kissing , normal laws of physics are dismissed
..I guess this explain this episode and the first.
Ps: You can Play in the snow , you don't eat in the snow.
Salura trick 10 was very good , ..it was full of delicious kissing, delicious finger licking , misunderstandings , denials, evil faces & evil grins and suzu being cute ...
i wonder how does haruka manges when she does soo poorly at sports ..
Rest the obvious question: Out of the 2 , who is the girlfriend ?
Ah sakura trick .... i haven't finished watching you i'm already said i have 2 episode left to watch.
i guess whenever Haruka & yuu are kissing , normal laws of physics are dismissed
..I guess this explain this episode and the first.
Ps: You can Play in the snow , you don't eat in the snow.
Save 'N Quit
Banned
The fact that the psychogun is now a little girl is pretty reflective of modern anime~
Star Driver's op1 is better, but op2 is... outside of that Shikama cut there isn't much to say about it.
As for modern-bones-robot-anime-openings, CE's op falls behind SD's op1 and Eureka Seven Ao's first opening, but better than the second intros for both. It's almost like there's a trend there.
KuwabaraTheMan
Banned
People don't seem to understand that now though.
I bet if you made a film about JFK now, people would complain about spoilers if you told them what happened in Dallas.
I do have to agree that 'spoiler culture' is starting to become an annoying thing. Some of the nonsense with the Game of Thrones threads on here just feels annoying to me, and it does lead towards a suppression of any real appreciable discussion being had because everyone is too obsessed with making sure no one gets spoiled on anything, even just through inferences.
And complaining about spoilers for historical events, even if they aren't commonly known ones, is pretty silly. That's the line.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
I think it's been a while since the anime thread read like a redacted CIA document about Area 51... But it's why I'm the crazy person who uses a script that disables the spoiler tag, since it makes some threads more readable.
Train of Midnight
Banned
I don't think you people understand what 'on principal alone' means. Dubs are on a lower tier of quality purely by their definition!!!
Not really serious, but 99% of the time I can't stomach a dub. I'm watching Lodoss in english, though.
This is exactly the kind of thing I'm talking about.
JoJo 4
Well, I guess this is where the "bizarre" starts coming in. Zepelli has an interesting design, but a lot of the stuff he's spouting right now sounds like nonsense (at this time). And yeah, it's kind of annoying that Speedwagon is reduced to commentating the obvious, seems kind of useless right now.
Visuals are incredible, though.
Well, I guess this is where the "bizarre" starts coming in. Zepelli has an interesting design, but a lot of the stuff he's spouting right now sounds like nonsense (at this time). And yeah, it's kind of annoying that Speedwagon is reduced to commentating the obvious, seems kind of useless right now.
Visuals are incredible, though.
I'm curious about how people feel about another aspect of spoilers. If there is a remake or a reimagination of a famous literary work, does it make sense for people to be protected from spoilers if the interest for most people would be on the execution rather than the story beats?
Let's take a few examples: Romeo and Juliet, Hamlet, Frankenstein, The Count of Monte Cristo. These are all well known works, which I think any reasonable adult should be aware of. Most people would have studied at least one of them at some point, and anyone who is well-read should have exposed themselves to material such as this simply because they're important. They are also extremely influential works, where the themes and/or outcomes are continuously used as references for similar stories if not direct remakes.
In having an intellectual discussion about such a work, what should really be more important? "Protecting" new viewers from some perceived right to have an untarnished experience of not knowing what could happen at all, or encouraging the debate of how well such a work executes the reimaingation of the themes and/or how it adapts the original story into something else?
I think one of the best examples would be something like Gankutsuou. If it were released today, and people are talking about it, if all discussion about the original book is spoiler tagged, I think most pages of discussion for each episode would be just a ton of black bars everywhere. What's the opinion on that?
Let's take a few examples: Romeo and Juliet, Hamlet, Frankenstein, The Count of Monte Cristo. These are all well known works, which I think any reasonable adult should be aware of. Most people would have studied at least one of them at some point, and anyone who is well-read should have exposed themselves to material such as this simply because they're important. They are also extremely influential works, where the themes and/or outcomes are continuously used as references for similar stories if not direct remakes.
In having an intellectual discussion about such a work, what should really be more important? "Protecting" new viewers from some perceived right to have an untarnished experience of not knowing what could happen at all, or encouraging the debate of how well such a work executes the reimaingation of the themes and/or how it adapts the original story into something else?
I think one of the best examples would be something like Gankutsuou. If it were released today, and people are talking about it, if all discussion about the original book is spoiler tagged, I think most pages of discussion for each episode would be just a ton of black bars everywhere. What's the opinion on that?
Hmm... I think that one function remakes have is to refresh a work's presence in cultural understanding. Recent Hulk and Spiderman movies aside, usually remakes are made because the previous version faded from attention and recognition and a newer generation is presented the opportunity to be reintroduced into it. As such, the expectation for people active in society to be knowledgeable about such things is reduced, but in many cases certain references get absorbed into our cultural language and stick around long after the work itself has faded. For example, most people still know how the original Planet of the Apes ends with the picture of the man kneeling before the ruins of the Statue of Liberty, because the image was iconic. The quote "you can't handle the truth" from the climax of A Few Good Men far exceeded the range of people who actually saw the film. Many other examples exist, and I think overall that while remakes offer a new audience the opportunity to discover something in a way better tailored to them, at some level they have to accept that they're not the first people to discover it and that the first waves of cultural influence had already propagated.
Its interesting. I started my anime watching in October 2012. Sure I'd watched anime before when much younger, but it was only really a random thing here and there. Getting netflix streaming changed that. That allowed me to sample a range of things easily at essentially no cost. That in turn led me to Crunchyroll and MAL where using top ten lists from MAL of genres that titles I liked from netflix fell into broadened my exposure. Added to that was starting an anime thread or two on a community I was already well into who had a range of folks into anime and manga.
Probably my first exposure to anime on gaf was the 2012 vote thread. And that again was great in that it pointed me to stuff I would not have tried, mainly tsuritama.
So really I didn't find filtering stuff I'd probably like any harder than western film.
I'm not sure I'd tar the whole community with that brush. Thats probably true with the younger sub group (as its true with western film, tv and other media) but I don't think its completely true. That said as a 'new' anime watcher
i do struggle with anime beyond a certain point (I'd say pre 1990) that I never have with live action film (well silent film is a bit of a struggle). And I think for me, just like videogames, its the visuals. And so unless I have nostalgia for it (like robotech) its hard for me to get into.
Not my problem if other people are uncultured. I'll readily admit, not spoilering a "remastered" or "readapted" classic is a bit of a dick move but so what? The alternative is just as disgusting if not more so because people are effectively flaunting the fact that they're underachievers when it comes to internationally recognized culture. That mindset should not be acceptable.
Something like JoJo, I can understand, because despite being an manga classic its global exposure is limited and the JoJo fans of GAF are an international community, but something like Count of Monte Cristo, or Frankenstein... No. Not unless it is based on another adaptation (an adaptation of an adaptation if you will) that veers drastically from the source material in some way.
Anyway, if a work of fiction solely relies on "surprise" and being a "pure experience" to be worthwhile, then it probably wasn't a very substantial work in the first place.
FelixOrion
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I like my anime posts like I like my top-secret government documents:
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On the real though, I'm not sure, though I don't really care if there are spoilers. Yes, if you're well-read you should probably know these works, but I think many famous works that might be built on by some anime pro might not be as well known by GAF members, especially if they aren't necessarily well-read or maybe come from a place or culture where the work in question isn't perhaps as well know. I'd rather have a page full of redactions and spoiler tags if it meat not spoiling someones enjoyment.
Additionally, if there are original twist or aspects of the remake that don't mix come from he original work (take at lot of what happens in Romeo x Juliet, for example), then, even the base work is well known and largely 'unspoilerable', I still think care should be take to perhaps not spoil at least parts of the remake.
R_thanatos
Member
Sakura Trick - 11
" they were kissing of course "
and then it ended with rose petals.
New student concil president is something else ... i wonder what could have happenned to make a normal girl go this route she even refers to those moments as her "dark past". This need to be adressed ASAP.
Anyway the lesson we already knew is that haruka is not a chick magnet , she just struck gold in that familly..i hope that one day we'll get the mother and this effect will work on her too , just for the joke !
"So tell me , what do you think they were doing ?"
About time this happenned. i guess a maiden in love is somewhat dense.
" they were kissing of course "
and then it ended with rose petals.
New student concil president is something else ... i wonder what could have happenned to make a normal girl go this route she even refers to those moments as her "dark past". This need to be adressed ASAP.
The pudding hot demand took all the third years by storm ...i guess this is a case of people because taken in by their desires.
The real question that matters.
You cannot resist patting her head.
Anyway the lesson we already knew is that haruka is not a chick magnet , she just struck gold in that familly..i hope that one day we'll get the mother and this effect will work on her too , just for the joke !
Dedication Through Light
Member
I thought that happened relatively recently with some people being a bit shocked that the Titanic updated release trailers had been packed with a few scenes spoiling the key event with the ships fate.
R_thanatos
Member
Who knows ? maybe James cameron made a director cut version in witch the ship manages to
reach her destination.
FelixOrion
Poet Centuriate
Theonik
Member
*her
Yeah. Lots of people upset on places like fb from things like that. Shows how unexposed to older material (be it history or fiction) many, esp the young are.
As for spoilers I don't like them, and really prefer a first viewing being as unspoiled as possible. And so even for remakes I'd err on the side of not spoiling as for so many it could be their first exposure to this story. But really it depends on the audience I'm talking to, or think I'm talking too.
And really Game of Thrones is a pretty perfect example of the whole issue of spoilers. Book 1 came out in 96. So in the communities I hang it had been discussed to death. Then we have the tv show and the spoiler paranoia around that is immense. So i'm always having to be careful to judge who my audience is. I know I'd hate to be spoiled on that.
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*hugs everything
Youve got a good point there. Its more fun really to watch a show that is a basketcase clusterfuck because it surprises you and makes you laugh. A well written and directed show is pleasant and wonderful, but in a completely different way thats more about how it makes you feel than how entertaining it is.
I never listen to the subbed version of Goldenboy. It is way inferior.
This is a great idea and it works really well.
Lol. Taking videogames seriously.
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