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Winter-Spring 2014 Anime |OT3| People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time

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Lexxism

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Hope the Mahouka ads pay off big in disc sales, I need an s2 for visitor arc and the 2nd year.
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Me too. Hoping for a big sales for this anime.
 
Neon Genesis Evangelion END

Well...that was something. I feel like I knew enough about the circumstances of the ending to not be surprised by its nonsense but I was surprised by just how budget it was. Now maybe this is just because Gintama wisened me up to it but all of these still and reused shots over the last two episodes felt super blatant. I had noticed it earlier on too but it was especially bad here. I haven't looked into it at all but I'm curious of the circumstances for the tail end of the show, was it budget or something else?

Now onto the most important thing, Kaworu outclassed Asuka as "best girl" in just ONE episode. He should have been the original 02 pilot! While I came to sympathise with her, she was still an annoying brat. I thought people were exaggerating when they talked about gay tones but nope, that was amazing. It's a shame it had to end so quickly and in the way it did...

I guess I'll watch End soon to see if that actually ties that mess together. Then I guess I'll check out the new movies? I know people aren't too hot on 3 but I feel like it's something I should probably see.

I don't agree that the TV ending is nonsense or a mess, but you'll likely enjoy EoE, which brings you to basically the same conclusion using visual language that's more in keeping with the rest of the show. It's explicit in its depiction of the events. Even as somebody who didn't crave its existence after completing the TV series like some people did, I thought it was a brilliant film.

RE: Asuka, she was always my favourite character. I don't think anybody in the show is traditionally likeable, and Misato is perhaps the only one that maintains primarily good intentions through to the end, so favourite is probably the right word. I like that she wasn't punished for being strong and independent, and instead her arc deals with her failing by her own rules, rather than being told they're wrong. She suffers when she's no longer the best. I also found her the most relatable of all the characterizations, which is no surprise considering the kind of teenager I was :p

As for the Rebuilds, sure why not? I don't regret watching the third film, even if I didn't particularly enjoy it overall. The first two are fairly good conversions of the show into a more film-like narrative, at the expense of some of the show's scope. They're well animated, which is probably no surprise and, if I'm remembering the show correctly, more dramatically lit. Something I enjoyed, being a sucker for dramatic lighting.
 

KtSlime

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Haha, ranko, haven't heard that word in ages.

Edit: Oh, for some reason I thought the image might be NSFW (乱交) , put my browser into private and was a bit disappointed.
 

Grzi

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Mushishi s2 - 02

A really great and emotional episode, not much more to say. The final scene with the birds looked amazing.
 

Midonin

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Daimidaler 02

Not only are there a lot of mecha recently, there's a variety of mecha, and Daimidaler is pretty enjoyable. It's playing itself seriously enough that the battles have a sense of stakes, but those stakes are ridiculous enough that it gets a few laughs. Since the beginning of time, mankind has yearned to destroy the sun, or at least not worry about daytime so they can mate. I was also amused at how the explanation of what Hi-ERO particles are, exactly, was drowned out by the Penguin Emperor.
 

survivor

Banned
What do you think those sports tropes were here? I don't watch a lot of sports anime but the tropes there always seem to be "the plucky rookie starts the sport and will win with lots of enthusiasm!", whereas here we're dealing with people who are already at the top of their game. It reminds me a little of 3gatsu no Lion, a manga in which all the shogi players are top-ranked and so each match is more about their inner psychology as a player or their personal issues rather than being the best etc.

It seems to me that this show is really about Smile as a person, more than anything.

Speaking of this, have you by any chance read Zero by Taiyo Matsumoto? It's a 2 volumes manga about the strongest boxer in the world. He has been an undefeated world champion for a long time and is itching for someone to give him a challenge before he retires. It's a pretty interesting story about what it feels like to be inhumanly strong at something.
 

Link Man

Banned
These are the biggest things wrong with Mahouka. The series has multiple MAJOR problems. Warning: some spoilers.


1) The MC is one of the most obscenely overpowered main characters in the history of overpowered main characters. Seriously, I don't think that's even exaggeration at all; he's just that ridiculously amazing at everything except for the things harem protagonists cannot be good at, eg. relationships with girls.

- He is an incredible genius. He's got the best grades in his school, and the school is one of the top ones in the nation. He also is an exceptional martial artist who studies under one of the nation's greatest martial artists. And he's also a genius scientist, better able to understand magic than just about anybody.
At some point he advances magic technology by a decade all on his own.
And last, he's also one of the strongest mages in the world, probably. His magical powers are ridiculously strong (
basically he can kill (decompose) people at will if he wants to
), and he knows how to use them. He also can
regenerate his body almost as fast as people can damage it.
For people who have just watched episode 1 of the anime, you have no idea.. The "price" for this is that he has almost no emotions, but that mostly just serves to provide an excuse for why the relationship element, of course, goes nowhere. Apart from that,
his powers are borderline godlike.

Oh yeah, and the MC and his sister's family
is one of the richest and most powerful in Japan. This is why he's able to have that great lab.
This guy is no underdog.


2) Despite #1, the series tries to convince you that this guy is some kind of underdog, that he's not that great, questions himself, etc. It's just LUDICROUS the idiocy it descends to to try to keep its "the MC is an underdog" theme running, even though the truth is the exact opposite of that. This is one of the most overpowered MCs ever, and yet the series tries again and again and again to paint him as some underdog. It's not just ludicrous, it's insane, broken, and utterly implausible.

In order to keep this 'necessity' -- "the MC must be an underdog because that's how main characters in this kind of story work" -- going, the MC comes across as a self-hating guy who might be depressed or something, at least to me. Maybe the explanation is just that it's because of his lack of emotions, but the results are the same. See below for an example of how this is applied. It doesn't work, at all, once you realize what he really can do, but the series kept it up anyway. The MC tries his best to keep this going, too -- he covers up his powers, intentionally does worse on magic tests than he can do
(his slow casting speed thing is a fake he does to make his scores worse than they should be)
, etc. He doesn't want people to know his true abilities. Sure, he can't do well at traditional magic, but what he can do he's the best anywhere at, and he will destroy ANYONE in a fight, in moments. But despite that, either implausibly no one ever figures it out (and everyone else is thus an idiot), or they decide to keep denigrating him for no reason. It's absurd either way.

So yeah, the tests that their society uses to determine magical power are flawed, and don't really cover the thing the MC is incredible at. So, even though he's the greatest, no one knows except for his sister, and no one believes her when she constantly says that he's the greater mage; he IS, of course, since he's the MC and this is a harem action series and in this genre the MC guy is always stronger than the girls because of sexism and power fantasies (note: I HATE this element of the genre), but the tests conveniently are flawed, or breakable by a MC dedicated to hiding his powers, in just the right ways for the stupid story to work.

In the end, he's probably the greatest combat mage ever, but is dedicated to keeping that fact secret; virtually no one knows is true potential. So, he's an exceptional genius on almost all fronts, but the series tries to keep up the "but he's an underdog and persecuted!" thing despite that, ridiculously. This connects to the next major he defends a system which persecutes him, and seems to think that it's fine to be treated badly as he is. If he opposes the system, I sure can't tell at all because he's its staunch defender. On that note, the next point.


3) The series defends discrimination, and the MC is 100% on board with it, even though he is a major subject of that discrimination
and in fact the whole reason he's there is to try to break the focus on raising strong mages for purposes of war; he wants magic to be used by more things than just the military.
This is sort of connected to #2, but it is also its own issue. The society depicted in Mahouka is DEEPLY discriminatory, and the 'good guys' in the series frequently support this discrimination. The resulting message is awful.

So, in their school, one of the group of top schools in the nation for training mages, everyone is divided up into two groups based on magical ability. Once again, their tests are incomplete, but no one other than the MC is smart enough to realize that, of course, and he's too self-hating (intentionally or not) and intent on hiding his powers to tell anyone. The lower group, which includes the MC naturally, is treated worse than the upper one, based on nothing other than their natural ability. He seems to be perfectly okay with the system as it is, as far as the two-tier system goes. Some others are not, but he never complains about it.

One of the most obvious examples of this bad treatment is that only upper-tier students, those with better magical ability, are worthy of having actual teachers in their classrooms. Lower-tier students, with less magical ability, are often called "weeds" by their superiors, and are unworthy of such things. They have to deal with only having a video monitor showing a teacher in a real (upper-tier) classroom, and will never see an actual teacher. If they need help, which they are more likely to since they're lower-skill, too bad; you won't get any from your nonexistent teacher. So based on magical skill, students are massively discriminated against in all of their classes -- and the "good" characters are okay with this and rationalize it away. The one who doesn't... well, I mentioned that already. DISGUSTING.

Another example of this is that course-one students can be on the student council, of course; lower-level ones aren't worthy of such an honor.
This becomes an issue when Miyuki, his sister, says that the MC should be on the student council. They say he cannot because of the rules. The student council president claims to "oppose [at least some of] the discrimination", but she won't bend that rule, yet at least, so instead she puts him on the disciplinary committee, which doesn't have that restriction.
A third thing is that clubs about magic get much more money than clubs about other things; the excuse is that money is distributed based on success, but of course with money comes success, so that's circular logic there, not a good argument.

It's all completely ridiculously horrible, but apparently there are eventually some elements of pushback against this within the series --
First, eventually the class president apparently does break that rule that bans course-two students from being on the student council. Maybe eventually the school may change more policies as well, as some hints of how amazing the MC is start to leak out due to his actions; as he is "course two" this would challenge the system. The MC winning his quest to de-militarize magic schools might inadvertently help with the discrimination too, of course; he doesn't care about it, but if the focus wasn't just on creating the strongest battle mages maybe the ludicrous discrimination wouldn't be as bad. Who knows for sure, and of course that would not happen before the end of the series, most likely.
Even so, the "good" characters do a lot of rationalizing about how the situation is okay. There even are scenes with some course-two students rationalizing away how it's okay for them to not have teachers, since they aren't good enough at magic to deserve it anyway! Unbelievable. I've seen it claimed that the LN is better at criticising the discrimination than the mangas and anime are, but I don't know if this is true, but I can't imagine it being much better. How it is in the LNs and anime is quite clear, and it's as I've described: really, really bad.

Despite those qualifiers, this is an incredibly discriminatory society, and the way the series portrays its defenders and its critics in the early parts of the series is horrible and backwards. Even if things change later, the fact remains that the series, and the MC, did not properly speak out earlier. The closest it gets to that early on is the student president's speech in a debate, where she both said how she disagreed with some of the discrimination while also saying that change should be slow, has some issues, but she is portrayed as being entirely right on the matter. Don't rock the boat too much, you see, we don't want the course one students to be dragged down to course two's level. Evening everything out that way would do no good, right? Yes, the discrimination element in this series is deeply unpleasant, and its attempts to argue against that are conservative, limited, and flawed.


4) The incest element, of course, is also a problem. The MC's sister -- and yes, she is his real sister -- is in love with him. Since he has the usual harem-protagonist trait of not understanding feelings, this goes nowhere fast, but her feelings are clear. Of course, to repeat the obvious, this isn't anything remotely like any kind of actual sibling relationship, and it's completely stupid to see yet AGAIN. What is this, the season of brocon sisters? There are what, three or four this season... argh. This is, of course, a major element of the series, since Miyuki makes her love clear again and again and again, but I don't think there's much to say about it other than that I hate it, it's horrible and isn't based on anything that exists in reality.

So Mahouka is "Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality", but with incest?
 
It's just that when I see an overpowered character I don't want to see him fighting against some incompetent fodder character, I want to see he figth another master class...like in Kenichi, masters fight masters and disciples fight disciples.
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I understand this point of view and i agree.
But if you remember kenichi beginnings , he did fought some very basic battles before he started his training for "real"
Foodders characters are a necessity , IMO the tricky part is to not focus too long on those.

Me too. Hoping for a big sales for this anime.

So far i'm inclined to agree.
 

Gbraga

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Tokyo Ravens

Holy shit what happened to Kon she suddenly transformed into a mature fox lady, though for some reason I don't hate her transformation probably because she was the best part of this anime.

Hishamaru fights with Suzuka for best girl just because of the transformation.
Sorry cnet.
 

Acosta

Member
I'm trying to do some cleanup of backlog, so far I have definitely dropped "couldn't become a hero" (it has its moments but I think I can watch something better at comedy, and the whole +18 thing does nothing for me) and I have started to watch what I had put in hold.

Watched first episode of Mushishi and wow, I really love Japanese sobrenatural stories so I guess it´s not suprising I really liked it. It was a really great episode, with the right amount of exposition for a first episode, an intriguing universe and it was beautiful to watch. Really promising.

Anime of the season imo, you're in for a treat.

Best anime of last season.

Nice! I don't know why I dropped it, I think I was in love with the idea of "zero drama" fun shows like Love Lab (almost no drama) and Yuyushiki (zero absolute) so the whole idea of the "marriage by surprise" put me off, but I really enjoyed the first two episodes, looking for more.

And now I'm going to watch Date a A Life before getting spoiled!
 

BluWacky

Member
Still, The World is Beautiful 1

I feared for the worst for this show after the frankly appalling OP. We're talking Golden Time OP1 levels of ineptitude here; for a sequence that is supposed to attract people to watch your show, it helps if you actually animate over 50% of it rather than pan across backgrounds. Perhaps they are saving scenes until characters are introduced later on?

With that said, the episode itself is at least competent, if a little uninspiring in production values (aside from a brief shot of "ribbons" towards the end of the episode). This is absolutely the kind of thing that should be airing in a sensible time slot instead of the middle of the night, though - it's nice, family friendly fantasy, with some very light politics and okay characterisation.

I read the first few chapters of the manga some time back and don't remember this story being in there; is it anime original or did they flash back to it at some other point? It's probably a better introduction than the original one-shot, which stands alone particularly well but doesn't give any idea of the background machinations hinted at here.

survivor said:
Speaking of this, have you by any chance read Zero by Taiyo Matsumoto? It's a 2 volumes manga about the strongest boxer in the world. He has been an undefeated world champion for a long time and is itching for someone to give him a challenge before he retires. It's a pretty interesting story about what it feels like to be inhumanly strong at something.

I haven't - but I'll find a spare 20 minutes or so today to do so, it sounds great (and of course is by the same author as Ping Pong). Thanks for the recommendation!
 

Acosta

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Date a Life S2 1

hahaha, that was fun, poor Shiro, most stressful job ever. It seems Tohka has new peaks of dumbness to reach.

Too much Origami! Jesus.

Kurumiiiiii :) hahaha, I guess that was a way of saying "yeah, we know you want to see her, here, here, don't kill us *
 

Chariot

Member
So, I watched the first two episodes Heartcatch, because fuck why not.
I really don't like the style of the eyes. Luckily Key adaptions prepared my poor soul.
But it was nice besides that. The grandma was really interesting. I didn't even think about old PreCures and their partners. At his point I wish they would do something like Jojo's. Like a linage of PreCures over generations.
 

BluWacky

Member
Brynhildr in the Darkness 1

I think the CG bus in this episode is one of the worst I've seen in a while!

This show undercuts almost every moment of potential creepiness almost instantly; it wants to be both "fun" (i.e. filled with lame humour at the expense of its "sexy" female characters) and mysterious/horrifying. Is this what Elfen Lied did?

I'm also impressed that Neko genuinely monologues to herself out loud, while standing in the rain (seriously - she's lip-flapping!). At least the main character's monologues are purely internal (and hoo boy, there are a lot of them).

Not my thing, then.
 

cajunator

Banned
Haha, ranko, haven't heard that word in ages.

Edit: Oh, for some reason I thought the image might be NSFW (乱交) , put my browser into private and was a bit disappointed.

cutie she is.

Date a Life S2 1

hahaha, that was fun, poor Shiro, most stressful job ever. It seems Tohka has new peaks of dumbness to reach.

Too much Origami! Jesus.

Kurumiiiiii :) hahaha, I guess that was a way of saying "yeah, we know you want to see her, here, here, don't kill us *

at least shes there right away instead of teasing us for 7 episodes in season 1.

So, I watched the first two episodes Heartcatch, because fuck why not.
I really don't like the style of the eyes. Luckily Key adaptions prepared my poor soul.
But it was nice besides that. The grandma was really interesting. I didn't even think about old PreCures and their partners. At his point I wish they would do something like Jojo's. Like a linage of PreCures over generations.

I have an issue with heartcatch designs too. Prefer Smile a loooooot more. I think thats a blasphemous opinion here so I must be careful.
 
Can you guys name one moment in any anime that has made you cry manly tears or womanly tears, in which it gave you a burst of feels.

For me it would be in OnePiece during Choppers Arc with Dr.Hiluluk, shit just made me feel so sad I teared up but it was worth it in the end.

Hiluluk_Hugs_Chopper.png


And this saying from Dr.Hiluluk really got to me "When do you think people die? When they're shot through the heart with a pistol? ...No. When they have an uncurable disease? ...No. When they drink soup made from a poisonous mushroom? No! When they are forgotten! Even if I die, my dream will come true. The hearts of the people will be cured..!"
 

Midonin

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Dragonar Academy 02

While Daimidaler has explicit nudity, I see Dragonar is going for the doll design, so Eco can parade around on screen with no nipples at all. Now that the world was free of exposition (though they were still dropping a lot of terminology), I found the show a little easier to watch. Eco's cute, and Silvia's getting to have some good moments. And there's the sexy teacher every show like this needs. Standard fantasy stuff, but it's not unpleasant to watch.
 

Nordicus

Member
Can you guys name one moment in any anime that has made you cry manly tears or womanly tears, in which it gave you a burst of feels.
One such moment is the Jigoku Shoujo finale when the father character finally admitted to himself and his daughter that his wife's car accident was at least partially his fault. They had a fight, which caused the wife to go drive a car in the first place, but for so long he denied any blame.

And this saying from Dr.Hiluluk really got to me

"When do you think people die?

When they're shot through the heart with a pistol?
...No.
When they have an uncurable disease?
...No.
When they drink soup made from a poisonous mushroom?
No!

When they are forgotten!

Even if I die, my dream will come true.
The hearts of the people will be cured..!"
This was a really good one, but the most tears I had with One Piece was when Sanji said his goodbyes to Baratie staff
 

Andrew J.

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Nanana's Buried Treasure 1

There is the potential for a vaguely entertaining story about treasure hunting, as exemplified by the pre-credits sequence and some of the ideas introduced later on, in this show. It's a shame it's slathered with layers of Christmas Cake landladies, boob fondling and other such irritating cliches, because it's not got terrible production values by any means. I look forward to plot synopses in future.

Definitely adding this to my backlog now.
 

Gbraga

Member
Dragonar Academy 02

While Daimidaler has explicit nudity, I see Dragonar is going for the doll design, so Eco can parade around on screen with no nipples at all. Now that the world was free of exposition (though they were still dropping a lot of terminology), I found the show a little easier to watch. Eco's cute, and Silvia's getting to have some good moments. And there's the sexy teacher every show like this needs. Standard fantasy stuff, but it's not unpleasant to watch.

So I don't have to wait for the blu-ray to watch Daimidaler, is that what you're telling me?
 

Acosta

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Mahou Sensou 1

errr, is this any good? I was interested because it was the studio of HxH, but dunno... that first episode did nothing for me. There is a bunch of stuff that makes little sense to me.

massive steel sword vs bamboo training sword, yeeeah, and good job on that girl almost killing the main character with the gun she is not supposed to use to attack mortals

And the combat scenes were quite plain, nothing remarkable about them or about the character...

Dunno, does it get better?
 
One such moment is the Jigoku Shoujo finale when the father character finally admitted to himself and his daughter that his wife's car accident was at least partially his fault. They had a fight, which caused the wife to go drive a car in the first place, but for so long he denied any blame.

This was a really good one, but the most tears I had with One Piece was when Sanji said his goodbyes to Baratie staff

I really think that all the Strawhat's make you cry at some point which shows how amazing Oda is with character development, I mean he made me cry for a boat (Going Merry) that says a lot.
 
Mahou Sensou 1

errr, is this any good? I was interested because it was the studio of HxH, but dunno... that first episode did nothing for me. There is a bunch of stuff that makes little sense to me.

massive steel sword vs bamboo training sword, yeeeah, and good job on that girls almost killing the main character with the gun you are not supposed to use to attack mortals

And the combat scenes were quite plain, nothing remarkable about them or about the caracters...

Dunno, does it get better?

Its one of the worst LN adaptations in years and basically is one of the anime that most lives up to being an advertisement for the LN with its airing leaving no questions answered or anything.

Avoid.
 

sonicmj1

Member
Mahou Sensou 1

errr, is this any good? I was interested because it was the studio of HxH, but dunno... that first episode did nothing for me.

Madhouse is a big studio with a long history, and while they have some good talent (the Hunter x Hunter adaptation seems to prove that), they've lost a lot of their best people in the last few years, and they're just as capable of putting out bad work as any other studio.
 
Date a Live S2 1
Not a particular good first episode. Seemed very deivative. However there was a lot of teasing.
including Kurumi giving a pointless monologue. It was still nice to see her
 

Jex

Member
Mahou Sensou 1

errr, is this any good? I was interested because it was the studio of HxH, but dunno... that first episode did nothing for me. There is a bunch of stuff that makes little sense to me.

massive steel sword vs bamboo training sword, yeeeah, and good job on that girl almost killing the main character with the gun she is not supposed to use to attack mortals

And the combat scenes were quite plain, nothing remarkable about them or about the character...

Dunno, does it get better?
In general, the quality of work that any one studio puts out varies hugely from show to show and as such can't really be used as a way to easily gauge whether or not you'll like the show. This is a general rule, of course, and exceptions do apply but for the most part I recommend examining the actual staff behind the shows you enjoy. Looking at what they're working on will serve as a better guide.
 

Jex

Member
[Knight's of Sidonia] - 1

During the OP's for this series there's a lot of quick cutting between various scenes that are only onscreen for half a second. Am I the only one to notice this one?


???
 

BluWacky

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[Knight's of Sidonia] - 1

During the OP's for this series there's a lot of quick cutting between various scenes that are only onscreen for half a second. Am I the only one to notice this one?

No, but it makes more sense when you actually watch the whole episode :p
 
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