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Angry Joe gets called out by IGNs review editor for misquoting their Titanfall review
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Cornbread78
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To what level of inaccuracy are we talking about here? .01? Did IGN get called out independently for their review and put on blast? I believe he left it open, calling out the "major media outlets" instead. My point is, if there is no major slander here, why call him out publically and even start that exchange? There was a direct agenda and I could understand them standing up for their corporate "name/pride" if they were specifically blasted, but they were not here. In the court of public opinion, this was not a good way to go about it for IGN when you get down to the "Big Guy", vs. "Little Guy" match-up. btw, I'm not even an Angry Joe "fan" and do not subscribe to his blogs, I only read IGN casually, but I do have them both on my twitter feed to get the corporate and gamer "passionate" side of gaming info; it's a happy balance so I have no real skin in the game. They both could have handled it better, plain and simple.
bobawesome
Member
Joe comes across as an angry man-child in that Twitter argument. Not that I'm surprised.
I completely agree. It's useless to attempt a call-out of that sort on Twitter when you know that Joe will just drag you down into his shitty discourse.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Fair enough. I still think he has the right to vehemently defend himself.
BlazingDarkness
Member
The preview is shady as fuck.
They basically tell readers they have to buy the game, because it's the game to have and is the evolution of FPS games, and is worth buying a One for (all VERY big claims) and then they proceed to say it's actually not amazing in the review.
It rubs me the wrong way that they make such lofty proclamations in the preview and then rescind on that with the review score. I don't think previews should ever make such bold statements about a game before it is released.
See, this is what I'm getting at. The stuff from the preview is gold dust for the EA marketing team.
They basically tell readers they have to buy the game, because it's the game to have and is the evolution of FPS games, and is worth buying a One for (all VERY big claims) and then they proceed to say it's actually not amazing in the review.
It rubs me the wrong way that they make such lofty proclamations in the preview and then rescind on that with the review score. I don't think previews should ever make such bold statements about a game before it is released.
See, this is what I'm getting at. The stuff from the preview is gold dust for the EA marketing team.
No comments about the 'Standee' which is in most game shops
http://i.imgur.com/2NwCjSK.jpg
It contains the "Belive the hype" quote and attributes it to IGN
http://i.imgur.com/2NwCjSK.jpg
It contains the "Belive the hype" quote and attributes it to IGN
This posts nails it. I don't think either of these guys comes off too well here.
I know that many here have disagreements with IGN, but they are more of a journalistic entity than Angry Joe and I can see why they'd take offense.
I've got to agree more with IGN on this one, if for no other reason than this... Joe mentions that reviewers were giving the game 10s and 9s, so if he had so many reviews to prove his point, why show a review that started with an 8? Even if there isn't much of a difference between an 8.9 and a 9, why not show a 10 out of 10 review?
Likely to specifically target IGN...
I've got to agree more with IGN on this one, if for no other reason than this... Joe mentions that reviewers were giving the game 10s and 9s, so if he had so many reviews to prove his point, why show a review that started with an 8? Even if there isn't much of a difference between an 8.9 and a 9, why not show a 10 out of 10 review?
Likely to specifically target IGN...
The Albatross
Member
I don't understand why anybody cares in any way other than the guy who was misquoted (or not) and the guy being called out. It's a mystery to me.
Tricky I Shadow
Banned
I don't mind Angry Joe, but honestly they both come across as morons here.
Comfort Jones
Banned
See what's great is that in seeing where Joe might have misconstrued the review you see even more embarrassing and silly shit on IGN's side. I can't even kinda get mad at Joe over this.
He's a guy who makes youtube videos. What has professionalism got to do with it? Only one of these guys is claiming to be a journalist.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
The thing is IGN is held to a higher standard. Just because Joe isn't a journalist doesn't discredit him automatically. Seeing as we're not journalists or backed by a big entity then we should also disregard your opinion as well.
He doesn't make them for free.
figadapaura
Member
No, that's fine because their review score isn't next to it. That would have been bad.
The 0.1 thing is pretty minor Ill admit.
But yeah, he should have probably clarified that he was using quotes from a preview. It would have taken merely a few keystrokes.
A preview is absolutely NOT a review. Over the decades I have seen far to many previews that finally get reviewed in full only to reveal huge issues to pretend that I don't know the difference. And Im sure Joe knows the difference too. Its extremely unlikely that Joe did that on purpose, but he should definitely keep it in mind for the future.
If the context of what you are talking about at the moment is Reviews, don't quote Previews without clarifying it. They are not interchangeable.
IGN needs to get over the 0.1 though, its not that big of a deal.
But yeah, he should have probably clarified that he was using quotes from a preview. It would have taken merely a few keystrokes.
A preview is absolutely NOT a review. Over the decades I have seen far to many previews that finally get reviewed in full only to reveal huge issues to pretend that I don't know the difference. And Im sure Joe knows the difference too. Its extremely unlikely that Joe did that on purpose, but he should definitely keep it in mind for the future.
If the context of what you are talking about at the moment is Reviews, don't quote Previews without clarifying it. They are not interchangeable.
IGN needs to get over the 0.1 though, its not that big of a deal.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
He's earned his spot. He edits and does his own work. I surely hope you're not discrediting his hard work on his channel. He earned his million + subscribers.
SaintMadeOfPlaster
Member
Right, but he has no boss. He can act however he wants, technically. He has no duty to act professionally, but he does certainly need some more of it if he wants people to take him seriously.
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
If Joe was more savvy he would have conceded the points and still ripped him apart, because they don't invalidate the issues people have with how IGN covered Titanfall. And it's a shame that Titanfall is a part of this conversation, because it's a genuinely good game. Maybe previews should let the game speak for itself.
BlazingDarkness
Member
IGN probably had a quota to fill of 'quotes they could put on the box' when writing their totally sincere and not at all talking shit preview.
flatearthpandas
Member
Because "I can't wait to see which reviews you maliciously misquote this time!" is clearly the professional and collected way to start a conversation.
Its to early for GAF to disappoint me like this. Atro, you know you are sidestepping the issue here. Fine Joe isn't a 'Journalist'. Lets pretend for a moment that we even hold that title in high regard around here (yeah right). It doesn't change the fact that he should NOT use a preview statement under the context of it being a review. I don't care if hes a Youtube personality, a Barber or a fucking Anesthesiologist..... Don't do it, its misrepresenting the content you are using out of context.
Period.
How he makes money or what his title is does not change this fact at all.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Who makes the rules though? Who decides what the benchmark of professionalism is? He's a Youtube persona. We all act a fool here sometimes and are no different. That's why mentioned the morality police sentiments earlier.
Let's not shit ourselves here, Angry Joe is a professional YouTuber. He's not 'just a guy who makes YouTube videos'. That would be like calling Dan 'just a guy who edits reviews'.
SHADES
Member
I saw this blow up on my feed and all I could think of is " if Dan's that bothered by Angry Joe's "misrepresentation" then why did he wait a month to voice his concerns?"
Surely IGN picked up on this quite quickly after it was posted, just seems like he was waiting for the "right comment" from Joe before having a dig IMO otherwise if he felt that concerned surely Dan would of addressed it at the source given the rules of conduct he's suggesting?
Also that 8.9 nearly amazing 9.0 amazing BS wow, now I shall never look at a review score the same again, "eyes blown right open by that 0.1 right there!"
Surely IGN picked up on this quite quickly after it was posted, just seems like he was waiting for the "right comment" from Joe before having a dig IMO otherwise if he felt that concerned surely Dan would of addressed it at the source given the rules of conduct he's suggesting?
Also that 8.9 nearly amazing 9.0 amazing BS wow, now I shall never look at a review score the same again, "eyes blown right open by that 0.1 right there!"
Interfectum
Member
Twitter will be the downfall of our society.
Marvel
could never
Thank you, Mr Monk.
Should've been DMed so it's not public as well.
Not having a boss and working hard has nothing to do with professionalism. He is getting paid for his trade, therefore a professional. Therefore he can be seen as acting unprofessionally. That is all.
Haloid1177
Banned
Heh. That Twitter argument was hilarious. Honestly I think both were pretty stupid, though I'm more inclined to agree with Joe just because Stapleton's defense of the decimal is so dumb. And I actually like IGN lol
Now you realise the stereotypes about 12 year olds on XBox Live was propaganda spread by immature grownups to shift the blame. There were no 12 year olds playing COD, it was 20 to 30 something year old men the whole time!
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
I'm 100% behind IGN on this one. Angry Joe misrepresented the review and is trying to make sweeping statements that he can't back up with facts.
bobawesome
Member
Did I say that it was...? Both were crybabies about the whole thing.
That IGN dude went balls deep into madness. His whole argument went down to:
A) WE GAVE IT 8.9, not 9.0! How dare you suggest both scores are equal!
B) YOU QUOTED OUR PREVIEW OF THE GAME WHILE TALKING ABOUT REVIEWS! ...please totally forget that both articles were written by the same fanboy, I mean, person.
A) WE GAVE IT 8.9, not 9.0! How dare you suggest both scores are equal!
B) YOU QUOTED OUR PREVIEW OF THE GAME WHILE TALKING ABOUT REVIEWS! ...please totally forget that both articles were written by the same fanboy, I mean, person.
I'm on Joes side with this one guys.
To be honest Dan came across as a bit of a prick.
Joe is just Joe.
This tweet by Dan from IGN was just petty:
"Fun math fact: IGN has 4x the YouTube followers Joe does."
What does this even mean? Joe has far more views for each of his reviews than IGN does, what is his point?
To be honest Dan came across as a bit of a prick.
Joe is just Joe.
This tweet by Dan from IGN was just petty:
"Fun math fact: IGN has 4x the YouTube followers Joe does."
What does this even mean? Joe has far more views for each of his reviews than IGN does, what is his point?
R_thanatos
Member
Except that when the game marketing is using those quotes as if it were , it kinda becomes the same thing.
I mean you just have to google "titanfall believe teh hype" and see just how far this sentence has come
WHAT!? That can't be real D:
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Not disagreeing but we all act a fool a noted. Joe has had to build his following more on a grassroots level though. IGN is more of a big entity.
No different if you take and make your own channel and become popular.
An guess what, if I felt threatened and swore a little or acted more passionate about my namesake the oh well.
Handy Fake
Member
Just saw this.
The lady doth protest too much, methinks.
The lady doth protest too much, methinks.
True !